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TheHeartbreaker
01-05-2006, 08:30 PM
Which CR guitarist(s) do you guys think is the best improvisor?

For me, my top five choices would be...

1) Duane Allman
2) Santana
3) Dickie Betts
4) Jimi Hendrix
5) Jerry Garcia

If listened to and watched all of these guys live, and I must say they are extremely awesome at what they do. So I'm wondering if you guys have a similar list or different guitarists in mind.

frippogenics
01-05-2006, 08:34 PM
Throw Clappy up there. I like his style, he plays smooth as butter.

TheHeartbreaker
01-05-2006, 08:42 PM
Yeah, he definetley plays well. I love listening to Spoonfull on Wheels of Fire (Disc 2).

maverick16
01-05-2006, 08:43 PM
hendrix

deadhead313313
01-05-2006, 08:45 PM
Yeah, I'd definately agree with Jerry Garcia on there. Nicely done

Uncle Salty
01-05-2006, 08:48 PM
i would add joe perry to the list, but that's just me

TheHeartbreaker
01-05-2006, 08:51 PM
I like Joe's stuff but I honestly haven't heard enough of him live to judge whether he's a good improvisor... unless he improvises the solos on their studio albums.

distilledspirit
01-05-2006, 08:53 PM
I would definetly throw J Page up there. I love what he does to Kashmir on certain live shows. Also Steve Howe and Rick Wakeman from Yes improv their songs a lot. Check out South Side of the Sky on their new 35th anniversary dvd I'd recommend buying it.

DownDark
01-05-2006, 09:06 PM
^Fragile is an awesome album

Master Shake
01-05-2006, 10:07 PM
Ritchie Blackmore

mercedesisbenz
01-05-2006, 11:28 PM
Jerry Garcia
Duane Allman
Eric Clapton
Jimi Hendrix

igotabcrich32
01-06-2006, 06:45 AM
Zappa is a great improviser

Thokk
01-06-2006, 11:07 AM
Definately Duane Allman

BrainDamage
01-06-2006, 05:07 PM
I like Joe's stuff but I honestly haven't heard enough of him live to judge whether he's a good improvisor... unless he improvises the solos on their studio albums. he improvs most solos live. He's great, and I think Brad Whitford is just as good, if not better.

Anyways, my vote is for Jerry Garcia.

KingBrendan5149
01-06-2006, 05:18 PM
trey anastasio

listen to any live phish album and you will think so to

danocaster
01-06-2006, 06:01 PM
Hendrix. Like (I think it was) Pete Townshend said, he's the Charlie Parker of guitar.

Bloozy
02-05-2006, 02:06 AM
Those Molly Hatchet guys (remember them?) improvised nicely - can't say I know their names though.

HelpImARock
02-05-2006, 02:34 AM
Jerry Garcia, don't kid yourselves.

Maybe the guy from Jefferson Airplane, Jorma something.

009
02-05-2006, 06:10 AM
John Entwistle.

seljer
02-05-2006, 07:28 AM
a few more to add:

Frank Zappa
Alan Wilson and Henry Vestine from Canned Heat
Eric Clapton

TheHeartbreaker
02-05-2006, 10:05 AM
Jerry Garcia, don't kid yourselves.

Maybe the guy from Jefferson Airplane, Jorma something.

Jorma Kaukonen (or something like that) is he name. He's definetly a good guitarists, and he's not just good at psychedilia, but blues too (he's no Clapton, but...).

Also, what do you mean by "Jerry Garcia, don't kid yourselves."? Do you mean he sucks or he's good and people shouldn't even be forgetting to consider him?

And yeah, seljer, the guys from Canned Heat are ****ing awesome. I've watched them on my Woodstock DVD, and apart from their classic "Goin' Up the Country", "A Change is Gonna Come" is one of the most heavy things ever. I mean, not like, heavy as in metal, but just how kickass it is.

DireStraits
02-05-2006, 10:06 AM
Pooey. Add the Knopfler.

TheHeartbreaker
02-05-2006, 10:11 AM
Yeah, Knopfler's good.

Anyways, because my computer is being a douchecock and not letting me edit my posts, I'd like to just let you guys know (those who don't know, I should say) that in a breif time between 69-70, Harvey Mandel replaced Henry Vestine on guitar for Canned Heat.

wilty00
02-05-2006, 11:24 AM
Joe Perry, Eric Clapton, Frank Zappa

knerken
02-05-2006, 12:13 PM
Hendrix, Zappa, Angus Young, Clapton, Ace Frehley, Jimmy Page...

ledhead73
02-05-2006, 07:04 PM
My favorite has to be Page simply for the improv intro to Since I've Been Loving You on the LZ DVD. It is just on a whole different level.

fenderfreak101
02-05-2006, 08:26 PM
Duane
Dickey
Sanatana
Clapton
Garcia
Perry.

Gin_Rummy
02-05-2006, 08:48 PM
Clapton and Knopfler.

trey-col89
02-05-2006, 08:50 PM
Clapton, Duane Allman, and Dickey Betts. All their improv was so smooth and natural, its almost amazing that its not planned out. Jerry is great too, but very sloppy at times. And Hendrix is sloppier than a porno most of the time.

TheHeartbreaker
02-26-2007, 10:07 PM
*BUMP*

My old thread. :)

Anyways, it's been months (at least) since this thread was last posted in, and I would now like to add another name to my personal list...

Frank Zappa.

jim morrison714
02-26-2007, 10:23 PM
Which CR guitarist(s) do you guys think is the best improvisor?

For me, my top five choices would be...

1) Duane Allman
2) Santana
3) Dickie Betts
4) Jimi Hendrix
5) Jerry Garcia

If listened to and watched all of these guys live, and I must say they are extremely awesome at what they do. So I'm wondering if you guys have a similar list or different guitarists in mind.

great list. only change i would make is i would put jerry garcia in front of hendrix.

psychodelia
02-26-2007, 10:43 PM
The lack of Jeff Beck in this thread kills me.

And I agree with Duane, and sometimes Santana.

TheUltimateSin
02-26-2007, 10:49 PM
Zappa, definitely.

Mongoose87
02-27-2007, 01:41 AM
John Entwistle.

+99999999999999999999999999999999999

Carnivean
02-27-2007, 01:52 AM
Jerry Garcia, mmmmmkkkk?

ledhed68
02-27-2007, 08:41 AM
I would say that Jimi Hendrix is overrated as an improvisor.

rockonth
02-27-2007, 11:36 AM
Page, Zappa and Clapton

Page&HammettFan
02-27-2007, 02:34 PM
Nah, Hendrix is awesome ;) I hate a lot of his music and the production and tone of all of it, but you have to know when to respect to someone as a guitar player and as an improviser.

stonegolem13
02-27-2007, 03:11 PM
Where's David Gilmour on your list :p:
Mostly because of the difference between Echoes from the studio to live :headbang:
However if you listen to any PF live you can hear the difference

PID08
02-27-2007, 03:58 PM
Which CR guitarist(s) do you guys think is the best improvisor?

For me, my top five choices would be...

1) Duane Allman
2) Santana
3) Dickie Betts
4) Jimi Hendrix
5) Jerry Garcia

If listened to and watched all of these guys live, and I must say they are extremely awesome at what they do. So I'm wondering if you guys have a similar list or different guitarists in mind.

Replace Jerry Garcia with Peter Green, switch the order just a tad, and that list will be my top 5.

TheHeartbreaker
02-27-2007, 04:49 PM
great list. only change i would make is i would put jerry garcia in front of hendrix.

I made this list a long time ago, actually. This thread is from way back.

I agree, though; I would definitely bump up Jerry, and in fact, I would replace Jimi Hendrix with either John Cipollina, Frank Zappa, or Ritchie Blackmore.

hamett91
02-27-2007, 04:59 PM
Clapton, Hendrix and Allman.

...and Glenn Cornick for bass.

clapton-floyd
02-27-2007, 06:51 PM
Clapton every time. Spoonful, and Crossroads just say it all.

TheHeartbreaker
02-27-2007, 06:55 PM
Spoonful. Yummy. I love that song. :headbang:

distilledspirit
02-27-2007, 09:24 PM
I've seen Clapton live, and I've watched old perforcmances. You can definetly put him up there, as has been mentioned several times.

ledhed68
02-27-2007, 10:52 PM
As for the Dickey Betts and Duane Allman thing in here, I think that alone, they aren't as good as when they're together. For example, post-Duane Allman Brothers, IMO isn't as good, and Derek and the Dominos isn't as good as when the Allman Brothers had both Dickey and Duane, althought Derek and the Dominos come close. I think Duane and Dickey just compliment eachother extremely well and make eachother better.

Sloopy
02-27-2007, 11:17 PM
I think that in his day Page was a great improvisor but now he's simply just not as good as he was in say 1975.

My favs are:
Santana
Clapton
Link Wray

Everybody here needs to go listen to some Link Wray. Download Rumble or Jack the Ripper. He invented the power chord years before Townsend.

psychodelia
02-27-2007, 11:18 PM
As for the Dickey Betts and Duane Allman thing in here, I think that alone, they aren't as good as when they're together. For example, post-Duane Allman Brothers, IMO isn't as good, and Derek and the Dominos isn't as good as when the Allman Brothers had both Dickey and Duane, althought Derek and the Dominos come close. I think Duane and Dickey just compliment eachother extremely well and make eachother better.

Well, it could certainly be that Duane's style fit better into Dickey's songs.

Overall, even if Derek isn't Duane's best stuff, I think he makes a lot of Derek % the Dominoes. The songs would sound really empty to me without the slide stuff he did.


edit: Sloopy, I know Link Wray's Rumble, but what would be his good improv stuff, in your opinion?

TheHeartbreaker
02-28-2007, 09:45 AM
Overall, even if Derek isn't Duane's best stuff, I think he makes a lot of Derek % the Dominoes. The songs would sound really empty to me without the slide stuff he did

I agree, but Dickey was able to go on with other guitarists after Duane died as well.

Dan Toler and him never has the chemistry of Dickey and Duane, even though they played in The Allman Brothers Band and Great Southern together. To me, there was a fine line between the two of them of rhythm guitarist and lead guitarist, while Dickey and Duane could both pose as lead guitarists.

Dickey and Warren Haynes did well together, though I have a feeling that Duane's more agressive style would have fit well with Warren's, and Dickey would fit well with Derek Truck's laid-back style.

Supreme WarHawk
03-03-2007, 03:39 AM
basically all my favorites have been said. except like 2?

Alvin Lee??

KEITH EMERSON??

TheHeartbreaker
03-03-2007, 02:11 PM
My only complaint about Alvin is that a lot of his solos will start to sound the same after a while, and most of what he plays live isn't entirely improvised.

If you listen to various live shows of Ten Years After, you'll hear the solos remain generally the same for each song.

He's still one of my favorite guitarists, but far from (well... not far from, but not that close either), in my opinion, being the best improvisor in Classic Rock.

jim morrison714
03-03-2007, 03:28 PM
i don't like alvin lee that much. he goes for speed and plays the same stuff over and over. if i did this list it would probably be

1) Dickey Betts
2) Duane Allman
3) Warren Haynes
4) Jerry Garcia
5) Santana

Sloopy
03-03-2007, 04:57 PM
Santana and Duane Allman pretty own everyone.

rplb
03-03-2007, 05:10 PM
Mick Taylor

TheHeartbreaker
03-03-2007, 05:24 PM
i don't like alvin lee that much. he goes for speed and plays the same stuff over and over. if i did this list it would probably be

I wouldn't entirely say he goes for a speed.

A lot of his solos are fast, but he knows when to play slow if he has to.

I'm not a huge fan of his solos, but some of his licks, his riffs, and his voice are amazing.

claptonfan55
03-04-2007, 10:53 AM
Eric Clapton
Duane Allman
Dickey Betts
Jeff Beck (not too big on his electronica-ish stuff now, but he was great)

BassistGal
03-04-2007, 11:12 AM
Lets be (not) original, Clapton!

TheHeartbreaker
03-04-2007, 01:31 PM
Jeff Beck (not too big on his electronica-ish stuff now, but he was great)

Same. I prefered him with his original Jeff Beck Group, and some of his albums after that, but eventually he become too much Fusion.

Sloopy
03-04-2007, 05:49 PM
^ Fusion's awesome, I didnt like his electronica stuff either. I think he has a new album in the works...

ECistheBest
03-04-2007, 05:51 PM
i say
Eric Clapton
Duane Allman
Rory Gallagher
Stevie Ray Vaughan.

al_
03-04-2007, 06:30 PM
Maybe the guy from Jefferson Airplane, Jorma something.

Jorma Kaukonen.

Theres too many good improvisers.

Page was great as well (white summer).

Are we talking about guitarists only here? The entire doors were pretty nuts once they got on a roll.

Quicksilver messenger Service = amazing jamming as well.

Really, most of the original San Francisco bands qualify, cause thats what theyre music was rooted in.

ledhed68
03-04-2007, 07:51 PM
Are we talking about guitarists only here? The entire doors were pretty nuts once they got on a roll.


Damn, I forgot about the Doors, they were incredible

al_
03-04-2007, 08:26 PM
:confused:

AHHHHHHHHHHH
:eek: :eek: :eek:

We forgot early Floyd (with Syd Barret)....
:no: :no:

EDIT: omg im so embarassed. We also forgot, the great Mr. Fripp and that little band he likes to play with called King Crimson.

jim morrison714
03-04-2007, 08:39 PM
not only early floyd

al_
03-04-2007, 08:41 PM
mmm, can you find me a good example of post Barret Floyd? On you tube or something.

jim morrison714
03-04-2007, 09:02 PM
echoes on live at pompeii, you can probably get a link on youtube

Supreme WarHawk
03-04-2007, 09:12 PM
yeah al. a bunch of king crimson's live stuff was only improvised. and I agree about the san fran bands.

but seriously. Keith Emerson. and steve howe's pretty damn good.

psychodelia
03-04-2007, 09:18 PM
Yeah, Keith Emerson. :)

I imagine Howe would be good, but I haven't heard much improv from him, unfortunately.


I like the improvising from King Crimson with Bruford, too.

al_
03-04-2007, 09:43 PM
Yea ive seen live at pompei. In my opinion, its still the compositions that made those improvs great... bah nevermind, im having a hard time getting my point across. Dont get me wrong I love Floyd, if I had a gun to my head asking me my fav band id say Floyd, but apart from early Floyd, they do not make it on my list of greatest Classic Rock improvisers.

Sloopy
03-04-2007, 09:44 PM
Hey everybody I gots an idea!

Let's figure who:
The Best BluesRock Improvisor is
The Best Prog Improvisor is
The Best All Around is
The Best British Improvisor
The Best North American Improvisor

Any others?

My Picks are:
Duane Allman
Keith Emerson
Carlos Santana
Eric Clapton/Jeff Beck (tie)
Buddy Guy

jim morrison714
03-04-2007, 11:26 PM
Yea ive seen live at pompei. In my opinion, its still the compositions that made those improvs great... bah nevermind, im having a hard time getting my point across. Dont get me wrong I love Floyd, if I had a gun to my head asking me my fav band id say Floyd, but apart from early Floyd, they do not make it on my list of greatest Classic Rock improvisers.

they don't make it on mine either. i'm pretty sure that i know what u meant by like jam-oriented bands such as the grateful dead and much of that san francisco scene, allman bros band etc

Brandon860
03-05-2007, 03:16 PM
Im going to go with Zappa on this one, he threw some WILD stuff out there sometimes. The man had a cord linked from his head to the guitar, a real master of his instrument.

TheHeartbreaker
03-05-2007, 04:48 PM
Quicksilver messenger Service = amazing jamming as well.

Yay, another fan! :D

jim morrison714
03-05-2007, 04:51 PM
Yay, another fan! :D

i only like them up until about 69'. then they started sucking

al_
03-05-2007, 04:52 PM
Well thats what I consider Quicksilver. San Fransisco, dope, the 60s.

The 70s pretty much killed the San Fran sound.

TheHeartbreaker
03-05-2007, 05:03 PM
Pretty much, but not entirely.

al_
03-05-2007, 05:05 PM
Well the Dead lasted. Who else?

TheHeartbreaker
03-05-2007, 05:09 PM
Well... you're basically right actually. Now that I think about it, most bands did survive into the early 70s, but as the Hippy Scene became obscure, most of those bands vanished.

rock_and_blues
03-06-2007, 07:45 PM
In no particular order

Jerry Garcia-Grateful Dead
Eric Clapton-Cream
Erik Brann-Iron Butterfly

HighVoltage559
03-06-2007, 07:45 PM
Angus Young or Eddie.

al_
03-06-2007, 08:04 PM
Ahhhh... Iron Butterfly, theyre great. Innagaddadavida is one of those songs that display really well all the band members improvisation skills. And the guitar parts really do get quite interesting. :cheers:

zeppelin4evr41
03-06-2007, 10:02 PM
Maybe I'm a little prejudiced on this decision having just watched Hendrix Live at Woodstock DVD and a Zeppelin live DVD but anyway-
1-Hendrix
2-Page
3-Clapton

TheHeartbreaker
03-07-2007, 04:25 PM
Eric Clapton-Cream

I was just listening to Live Cream. Delicious.

Blues Breaker
03-07-2007, 04:31 PM
I think Eric Clapton should be no. 1. But i must say he has lost a bit since his days in John Mayall and Cream.

I think the Fleetwood Mac double of Peter Green and Danny Kirwan, are pretty much as good as the Allmans Duane and Dickey at improvising.

And of course Mr Page. Man! well thats all I can say. WOW. He is a machine, amazing.
But I guess some of these guys play more Blues than CR.

jskinnirvana
03-08-2007, 02:10 PM
I havent read thru all of these but what about Robbie Krieger of the Doors band from Venice eh? Hes like the Rodney Dangerfield of music he gets no respect ;-)

ECwomantoneman
03-08-2007, 02:14 PM
I think Eric Clapton should be no. 1. But i must say he has lost a bit since his days in John Mayall and Cream.

EC was still amazing by the dawn of the 70's (check out Key to the Highway on Layla)
but his fire just kinda burnt out after that

Duane and Dickey were phenomenal improvisationalists. It was almost as if they knew what the other was thinking, which is the key to all great jam bands

Ferdinandstrat
03-08-2007, 02:14 PM
I havent read thru all of these but what about Robbie Krieger of the Doors band from Venice eh? Hes like the Rodney Dangerfield of music he gets no respect ;-)


Actually,Robby is quite good.

Sly Taco
03-08-2007, 02:25 PM
Duane Allman
Warren Haynes
Dickey
Derek Trucks
Trey
Les Claypool( i know he plays bass, but he is a master improvisor beeotches)
Jimmy Herring