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romencer17
06-19-2011, 04:03 PM
A = C > B

no

piratemetalhead
06-19-2011, 04:06 PM
oh my god, when vader does the "uh no u diidnt" thing :haha

and honestly, ive said this before, but like, 90 percent of extrem metal bands really do burn out quickly. Short shelf life i guess

beadhangingOne
06-19-2011, 04:09 PM
IMO A = C > B >>> F >> G >>>> D >> H

Illud actually doesn't exist. It's a conspiracy. So fuck that shit.

Thank god, a sane human in this thread full of ****ing mongoloid knuckle draggers.

B > C >>>>>>> I > A

K>i>l>l>y>o>u>r>s>e>l>f

guitgrinder
06-20-2011, 08:19 PM
If you're not a huge MA fan just get Domination. good production, "catchy" songwriting (for death metal), it's pretty darn angry (see Ceasar's Palace, Dawn of the Angry, or Inquisition). It opens up w/ a rippin song (Domination) & closes w/ a heavy ass muthvcka (Hatework). If you dig this, you may venture into other MA.

progbass
06-20-2011, 08:30 PM
Thank god, a sane human in this thread full of ****ing mongoloid knuckle draggers.



K>i>l>l>y>o>u>r>s>e>l>f
My sentiments exactly

P1ayingW1thF1re
06-23-2011, 01:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coor3AFvxQ8&feature=player_embedded#at=11

Annihilator666
06-23-2011, 01:24 AM
:haha

MoogleRancha
06-23-2011, 01:31 AM
Absolutely wonderful :haha

rg_metal
06-23-2011, 01:32 AM
:haha: I wasn't sure what he was going to do LOL

InvaderTSN
06-23-2011, 01:37 AM
I like how that one awful riff comes in right as the snowglobe shatters.

piratemetalhead
06-23-2011, 02:12 AM
i love that movie! forgot the name, and it was borderline 10 year old ADD stuff, but it had some sick gun fights...

Senor Kristian
06-23-2011, 02:23 AM
i love that movie! forgot the name, and it was borderline 10 year old ADD stuff, but it had some sick gun fights...
Equilibrium :p: (or Cubic in some countries)

I love it too! Bashed to death by critics but it's a very fun movie with an interesting premise.

The_Casinator
06-23-2011, 02:30 AM
It was on TV this week. To be honest, it was just me and my brother bashing the plot and the special effects. Like, how is the black guy able to get angry if he has no emotions?

piratemetalhead
06-23-2011, 02:35 AM
grape kool aid

and it was awesome purely for the ridiculous christian bale acrobatics if nothing else

The_Casinator
06-23-2011, 02:37 AM
I think people just like to see Christian Bale work hard. Like, being an obsessed magician or running around dressed like a bat.

piratemetalhead
06-23-2011, 02:53 AM
i think they should release a dvd of christian bale just doing completely ridiculous things.

it could be totally just from random scenes from his old movies, except totally out of context but put in a coherent order to form some sort of plot

The_Casinator
06-23-2011, 02:57 AM
:haha:

I would totally buy that.

rg_metal
06-23-2011, 03:29 AM
I can't get enough of Bale in American Psycho :haha: I laughed so hard in that movie when he was trying to explain to the guy at the end of the movie that he had killed all these people... and the guy was like.. alright man thats funny see you at work tomorrow :haha:

Fat Lard
06-23-2011, 04:00 AM
A









BC

Senor Kristian
06-23-2011, 04:07 AM
^^The scene where he goes through and explains his morning ruitine is one of my favourites. It's so bizarre and creepy yet also a bit funny.

Back to Morbid Angel. My excitement for seeing them has been restored. Looks like the rumours about them putting on a great show aren't all lies.
People are saying they put on a great show in Copenhagen last week and I've read a few positive reviews as well.

Sanitarium91
06-23-2011, 12:41 PM
I don't see how their shite album would affect their ability to put on a good show. That is assuming that they don't play the new stuff. :p:

Also, someone mentioned kool aid. Can someone tell me why I couldn't find any in NYC? Does that shit even exist anymore?!

Tomemoth
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
They're amazing. My fave MA album is Covenant or Altars of Madness.

-ad for average festival removed-

ctfod
06-23-2011, 01:47 PM
Subtle.

eazy-c
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Bloodstock is for gays.

Psychopathology
06-23-2011, 05:44 PM
They're amazing. My fave MA album is Covenant or Altars of Madness.

-ad for average festival removed-
How giving of you.

Senor Kristian
06-23-2011, 06:05 PM
I don't see how their shite album would affect their ability to put on a good show. That is assuming that they don't play the new stuff. :p:
New guitarist and Vincent doing vocals for the first time in 15 years. I could easily see it being a disaster.

Psychopathology
06-23-2011, 06:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m84R8t5vxRs

Sync up is pretty funny.

Sanitarium91
06-23-2011, 07:12 PM
New guitarist and Vincent doing vocals for the first time in 15 years. I could easily see it being a disaster.Oh, I thought Vincent's been doing vocals for a while already.

Senor Kristian
06-24-2011, 02:07 AM
Well, don't quote me on it but I think it's their first world tour since Vincent got back.

Lulzcifer
07-27-2011, 12:27 AM
related

http://richardbrunelle.com/home.html

http://richardbrunelle.com/music.html

Riffmast
07-27-2011, 12:47 AM
Vincent has been doing live stuff with them since at least 06. Once i saw this video i realized that having Vincent back was going to ruin the band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPfTpYDzLys

All awesome, then 0:56 happened and i realized that Vincent should of not been allowed 100 yards from MA.

sXe170
07-27-2011, 09:51 AM
I'm seeing these guys next year at MDF, as you can see from my sig.

I hope they play nothing from their new album, but they probably will. I really don't want to hear kill a cop, killa killa cop.

MoogleRancha
07-27-2011, 09:56 AM
You're doing it wrong, you don't fit in.

The new album is the in-thing here with the kvlt fellers.

The Wildchild
07-27-2011, 10:58 AM
Kill A Cop Productions representing

Lulzcifer
07-28-2011, 04:34 AM
you know that isn't what the lyrics even say right?

Senor Kristian
07-28-2011, 04:55 AM
There is general consensus on the UG metal forum that those were the original lyrics but they had to be edited of fear of riots that could have left Season of Mist in a PR shitstorm.
Vincent outsmarted the label however by saying the original lyrics just once but left it out of the lyric sheet.

Deplorable
07-28-2011, 04:58 AM
Too extreme! Right?

Gorelord666
07-28-2011, 08:24 AM
I haven't heard the new album but is it really that bad?

ChemicalFire
07-28-2011, 08:53 AM
Morbid Angel were always about pushing boundaries right? That's why they were one of the first note worthy Death metal bands. All they've done here is push the boundaries again and pissed off a lot of people. You may not like it, but I think it's just Morbid Angel doing what they did when they released Altars of Madness, being different.

Stranglehold
07-28-2011, 08:56 AM
So sick of hearing that crap about the new album. 'Pushing Boundaries', my hole. How far do they push these boundaries? To the nearest gay bar?

There's a lot to be said for experimentation, seeing as how MA basically turned death metal on its head with Blessed Are The Sick. The new album however, is a pile of steaming shit. And I say that objectively, too.

ChemicalFire
07-28-2011, 09:00 AM
So sick of hearing that crap about the new album. 'Pushing Boundaries', my hole. How far do they push these boundaries? To the nearest gay bar?

There's a lot to be said for experimentation, seeing as how MA basically turned death metal on its head with Blessed Are The Sick. The new album however, is a pile of steaming shit. And I say that objectively, too.

Morbid Angel were always about pushing boundaries right? That's why they were one of the first note worthy Death metal bands. All they've done here is push the boundaries again and pissed off a lot of people. You may not like it, but I think it's just Morbid Angel doing what they did when they released Altars of Madness, being different.

In the end THEY made the album THEY wanted to. I'm not trying to dissuade people from disliking the album. But more for disliking the band completely for the release of this album, which I know some metal heads have a tendency to do if they release a bad album.

fumb duck
07-28-2011, 09:17 AM
I own the album but I honestly just can't bring myself to listening to the whole thing.

Kepulix
07-28-2011, 10:01 AM
I own the album but I honestly just can't bring myself to listening to the whole thing.
This is worse than Strangle and his Lamb Of God collection

Deplorable
07-28-2011, 10:04 AM
I almost pre-ordered it at one point (though I would've done everything in my power to cancel that after I heard Radikult).

Stranglehold
07-28-2011, 10:08 AM
This is worse than Strangle and his Lamb Of God collection

:haha: :haha:

Bastard...leave the past where it belongs!

MoogleRancha
07-28-2011, 10:20 AM
http://desedo.com/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/hipsters.jpg

Just make the music you want, ignore everyone else's opinion

Deplorable
07-28-2011, 10:21 AM
That's like... deep man.

Stranglehold
07-28-2011, 10:33 AM
That girl has gigantic hands for the size of her arms.

severed-metal
07-28-2011, 10:38 AM
Looks like Jodie Foster. Cannot unsee.

eazy-c
07-28-2011, 10:39 AM
I would.

The Wildchild
07-28-2011, 10:41 AM
http://desedo.com/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/hipsters.jpg

Just make the music you want, ignore everyone else's opinion

(ordering a pair of thick-rim glasses)

MoogleRancha
07-28-2011, 11:03 AM
I wouldn't with a ten-footer

The Wildchild
07-28-2011, 11:06 AM
Bitch please


You were born with those glasses

MoogleRancha
07-28-2011, 11:14 AM
I actually have 20/20 ;)

The Wildchild
07-28-2011, 11:17 AM
Well of course glasses weren't included :p:



Also I would tap the chick like a Celtic Frost solo

MoogleRancha
07-28-2011, 11:47 AM
Why?

blech

progbass
07-28-2011, 01:15 PM
Also I would tap the chick like a Celtic Frost solo
using this with Hessian bros at next encounter

Stranglehold
07-28-2011, 01:17 PM
Well of course glasses weren't included :p:



Also I would tap the chick like a Celtic Frost solo

el oh el

beadhangingOne
07-28-2011, 01:20 PM
http://desedo.com/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/hipsters.jpg

Just make the music you want, ignore everyone else's opinion

I don't get it, which one's supposed to be hot?

Riffmast
07-28-2011, 04:39 PM
I would rail that chick into oblivion, big hands or not.

piratemetalhead
07-28-2011, 04:46 PM
meh, white girls

/trollfacebutactullyserious

Riffmast
07-28-2011, 04:52 PM
I can respect that, leave the white girls for us whitties haha

piratemetalhead
07-28-2011, 05:02 PM
im OK with that

but that girl really is a meh isnt she? Its not easy spotting white grls where i live but most of tthem are prettier than that :o

Riffmast
07-28-2011, 06:01 PM
I think she is a 6.5- 7/10 personally,but i also like how she did'nt take a shotgun of makeup to her face and isn't dressed like a barbie doll, i prefer grittier,"real" looking girls,and find most preppy typical "hot chicks" to turn me off.

Senor Kristian
07-28-2011, 06:18 PM
I'm pretty sure I can see the colour of her bones through her skin and I'm sorry, but that's a general turn-off for me.

Riffmast
07-28-2011, 06:26 PM
I don't see that, she just has very white skin, which i generally prefer. I like my girls skinny,tiny and super white( though I'm down with anything save the majority of black chicks and some Asian girls).

ctfod
07-28-2011, 06:51 PM
I think she is a 6.5- 7/10 personally,but i also like how she did'nt take a shotgun of makeup to her face and isn't dressed like a barbie doll, i prefer grittier,"real" looking girls,and find most preppy typical "hot chicks" to turn me off.
I get 'real looking', but she looks like a Skins extra.

Riffmast
07-28-2011, 06:56 PM
I don't even know what that means haha.

Crazed Shredder
07-28-2011, 06:59 PM
This is worse than Strangle and his Lamb Of God collection
:haha: Seriously

Makes me feel better about having a bunch of Metalcore and Alternative Metal CD's


EDIT: But then I remember that I still barely own any real metal CD's

MoogleRancha
10-29-2011, 02:24 PM
"carry my purse"

I will never unhear it

MoogleRancha
10-29-2011, 02:38 PM
RICE! AND YOU FILL THE SAUCE! WITH ALL THE PEPPERS OF THIS WORLD! SO WHAT MAKE YOUR SOUP SO CREAM?



argh

Lulzcifer
10-31-2011, 07:28 AM
wat

Riffmast
10-31-2011, 03:50 PM
RICE! AND YOU FILL THE SAUCE! WITH ALL THE PEPPERS OF THIS WORLD! SO WHAT MAKE YOUR SOUP SO CREAM?



argh

Chef Of Emptiness

Lulzcifer
10-31-2011, 10:52 PM
ah..

apparently theres gonna be a remix album of IDI just to piss the world off that much more

MetallicaBlows
11-01-2011, 07:23 PM
Great, great band. I got Covenant recently and I've been listening to it a lot. Thoughts?

I got it in like '93/'94 and I still sometimes listen to it in the car. Its never too late.

MetallicaBlows
11-01-2011, 07:24 PM
RICE! AND YOU FILL THE SAUCE! WITH ALL THE PEPPERS OF THIS WORLD! SO WHAT MAKE YOUR SOUP SO CREAM?



argh

Awesome dude, I almost spit tea all over my computer.

mr kipling
11-02-2011, 08:37 AM
The remix album will be hilarious, I'm sure they'll find ways to make it sound even more stupid and outdated

ctfod
11-22-2011, 03:45 PM
http://www.season-of-mist.com/common/covers_releases/high/SOM256.jpg


CD 1:

LAIBACH - I Am Morbid (Wall of Morbid mix)
CEVIN KEY/HIWATT MARSHALL - OmniDead
BRAIN LEISURE - Too Extreme (Black Symphony Edition)
THE TOXIC AVENGER - 10 More Dead
MALAKWA - I Am Morbid
SYNAPSCAPE - Too Extreme
PUNISH YOURSELF vs. SONIC AREA - Destructos vs The Earth (DoomsdayMarchMix)
HIV+ - Too Extreme
MICROPOINT - I Am Morbid
JOHN LORD FONDA - Too Extreme (Metallizer Remix)
EVIL ACTIVITIES - Radikult
MIXHELL - Too Extreme
BLACK LUNG - I Am Morbid
MONDKOPF - Radikult
XYTRAS - Existo Vulgoré
TOXIC ENGINE - I Am Morbid

CD 2:

AHNST ANDERS - I Am Morbid
NACHTMAHR - Destructos vs. the Earth
TIM SKOLD - Profundis / Mea Culpa
BLACK STROBE - 10 More Dead
CHRIS POHL - Too Extreme
PROJECT PITCHFORK - Destructos vs. the Earth
TREPONEM PAL - 10 More Dead
SCOTT BROWN - I Am Morbid
FIXHEAD - Radikult
DJ RUFFNECK - I Am Morbid
IGORRR - Remixou Morbidou
TAMTRUM - I Am Morbid
TEK-ONE - 10 More Dead
ADRIAN - I Am Morbid
THE HORRORIST - Existo Vulgoré


hahahahaha

Stranglehold
11-22-2011, 03:57 PM
kult of high fives

we_built_a_tree
11-22-2011, 03:58 PM
High-fiving corpses on a Morbid Angel album cover? Now I've seen everything.

TREEDIT: Damn you!

Stranglehold
11-22-2011, 04:01 PM
heh heh.

duncang
11-22-2011, 04:10 PM
I chuckled

Saw them last night though, absolutely brilliant. Played for an hour, no encore but aside from a few Illud songs it was absolute solid classics

One Dyer's Eve was also in attendance

Stranglehold
11-22-2011, 04:15 PM
Yep, minus the new stuff and the bandana guitarist I enjoyed them immensely live. What kind of venue was it? I'd have much preferred to see them indoors.

duncang
11-22-2011, 05:16 PM
It was at this dark, stinking but fairly spacious club that's better known for its cheap drinks and debauchery in the later hours. Really nice atmosphere for gigs though, and the sound was great!

Dyer's Eve
11-23-2011, 07:31 PM
I'm pretty sure Greggles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjJZIojSghk) in the pit topless was the highlight of the night.

Lord of All Fevers and Plagues was pretty boss too.

Stranglehold
11-23-2011, 07:36 PM
:haha :haha

Had no idea that a Goats in't Throne Room live vid even existed. Incredible!

rg_metal
11-23-2011, 07:38 PM
speaking of... and you can ask Riffmast and Stranglehold about this one... why not make a band called Gnomes in the Bone Room? :haha:

Stranglehold
11-23-2011, 07:44 PM
It'd be just impractical to try recreate such a ritualistic pizza atmosphere as seen in the above video.

Plus, there are plenty of gnomes in the bone room videos, just google 'bridget the midget'.

duncang
11-23-2011, 09:19 PM
I'm pretty sure Greggles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjJZIojSghk) in the pit topless was the highlight of the night.

Lord of All Fevers and Plagues was pretty boss too.

I can't believe you didn't show me this

MightyAri
11-24-2011, 05:53 AM
I used to think Morbid Angel are one of the best bands of all time.If they continue down this path well...nevermind :(

Senor Kristian
11-24-2011, 06:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZltKRpZRyz0&feature=player_embedded

Decent interview with Vincent about the new album, the remix album and the future of Morbid Angel. Some of the answers are a bit vague but I guess that's just how Vincent rolls.

rg_metal
11-24-2011, 07:35 AM
Vincent seems like an assh0le. I am curious to see how the remixes turn out though.

Dyer's Eve
11-24-2011, 02:42 PM
I can't believe you didn't show me this
Actually, I should take that statement back.

Watching Greggles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXhADEhdwA) crowdsurf is what I should have said.

beadhangingOne
11-24-2011, 04:50 PM
I used to think Morbid Angel are one of the best bands of all time.If they continue down this path well...nevermind :(

The band members actually all died 12 years ago and were replaced by alien pod versions of themselves.

http://www.shadowlocked.com/images/stories/features/invasion/Sutherland_scream_Invasion_Of_The_Body_Snatchers_Kaufman_1978.jpg

Senor Kristian
02-29-2012, 11:06 AM
http://official.fm/tracks/346791

Give it up, raise the roof and all that.

ctfod
02-29-2012, 11:23 AM
http://partner-ad.photobucket.com/albums/f178/l00nitick/Reaction_ItalianSpiderman.gif

MoogleRancha
02-29-2012, 11:24 AM
<3<3<3

Stranglehold
02-29-2012, 11:28 AM
HIV+...surely the greatest coincidence in history?

Heir Apparent
03-28-2012, 09:59 PM
Gateways is def. my favorite at the moment. Rutan's presence results in an album with a flow as consistent as magma. Some incredible counterpoint there too. Opening of the Gates \m/

From the songs I've heard, their latest album was an absolute joke. Vincent appears to have returned to the band for more of a financial opportunity rather than artistic. After their first three albums, its incredible that he managed to sound this lame. Peter's absence sticks out like a sore thumb. Then they go and release a remix album.

Here's to hoping Vincent has a metal ephiphany or just leaves, Trey Azagthoth incorporates more counterpoint and speed, a real drummer in the vein of Peter and a decent producer who can breathe life into the gloomy riffage. Honestly, Heretic's production kinda kills the mood, though a decent release. "Beneath the Hollow" is the musical equivalent of an anaconda subtly winding itself around your body, slowly squeezing the life out of you.

dazed60
03-29-2012, 08:51 PM
or just leaves

that one

ThrashUnleashed
03-29-2012, 08:55 PM
I think Trey could be his own band.
But yeah, I mean, I don't want to abandon them; but if they keep this up I'll have to.

Cloaca
03-30-2012, 06:52 AM
a real drummer in the vein of Peter

Tim Yeung's not a real drummer?

Stranglehold
03-30-2012, 07:24 AM
He's a model/drummer.

'And not the other way round.'

Steve08
03-30-2012, 01:22 PM
He's a model/drummer.

'And not the other way round.'This.

And also a hack.

progbass
03-30-2012, 01:45 PM
Watching the DVD that came with Altars. Nottingham November of 89

Stranglehold
03-30-2012, 01:53 PM
Utter chaos, that gig. Looks absolutely insane.

Zero Substance
03-30-2012, 02:02 PM
That footage is so great

progbass
03-30-2012, 03:03 PM
Was good craic.

Did any of you queers check the '91 Leading the Rats bootleg from Holland?

That gig sounded mint

Heir Apparent
03-31-2012, 01:41 PM
Anyone know where in the hell I could find a "Gateways to Annihilation" t-shirt? The artwork on that album is just esoteric, one of my favorites and the shirt shows a lot more. Wonder if the album had a fold-out poster they based the shirt on.

progbass
03-31-2012, 02:27 PM
Did you check Hot Topic?

ThrashUnleashed
03-31-2012, 02:53 PM
Anyone know where in the hell I could find a "Gateways to Annihilation" t-shirt? The artwork on that album is just esoteric, one of my favorites and the shirt shows a lot more. Wonder if the album had a fold-out poster they based the shirt on.

The website Rockabilia usually has good T-shirts.
I don't know how they are for Death Metal, but I've found great stuff for other kinds of bands.

MoogleRancha
03-31-2012, 03:20 PM
Did you check Hot Topic?
Was thinking Urban Outfitters

Heir Apparent
03-31-2012, 03:47 PM
Excellent suggestions guys, I've been needing a few Korn and A7X shirts as well to state what an open-minded individual I am, maybe a few Bob Marley posters. :)

Senor Kristian
03-31-2012, 11:26 PM
Anyone know where in the hell I could find a "Gateways to Annihilation" t-shirt? The artwork on that album is just esoteric, one of my favorites and the shirt shows a lot more. Wonder if the album had a fold-out poster they based the shirt on.
http://www.indiemerchstore.com/danseagrave

Not a shirt but you can find a poster there.

^Oh, and I really hope you're kidding. If not, I will hug you. I will actually hug you regardless.

Heir Apparent
04-01-2012, 02:24 PM
http://www.indiemerchstore.com/danseagrave

Not a shirt but you can find a poster there.

^Oh, and I really hope you're kidding. If not, I will hug you. I will actually hug you regardless.

I wasn't kidding, at least ten years ago I wouldn't be kidding. :p: Thanks for the site, I think Dan Seagrave has become one of my favorite artists.

Steve08
11-30-2012, 11:33 PM
I've been growing to love this band's (good) material so much recently. Blessed is a masterpiece and I would place Altars only just below it, as it doesn't strike me with the same sense of utter consistency-- the songs written excusively for that album are of such quality that Bleed for the Devil is almost an obsolete listen, for example, whereas I don't think anything on BATS is skip-worthy except maybe the interludes, but they even kind of serve a purpose, especially Desolate Ways.

Does anyone ever wonder what a third album would be like? I do love Covenant but it strikes me as less ambitious, and ultimately a bit more directionless in comparison to Blessed. I'm thinking of if they had stepped it up even further after BATS, released a work which is to that album what Blessed is to Altars...

It's nice to dream. :(

NotFromANUS
11-30-2012, 11:36 PM
I've been growing to love this band's (good) material
Good. This band wrote two albums that are beyond criticism.

Does anyone ever wonder what a third album would be like? I do love Covenant but it strikes me as less ambitious, and ultimately a bit more directionless in comparison to Blessed. I'm thinking of if they had stepped it up even further after BATS, released a work which is to that album what Blessed is to Altars...

It's nice to dream. :(
I don't know if they could have pulled that off. What they realistically could have done was cut the crap tracks from Covenant and just made a really hard hitting Slayer album++.

Steve08
11-30-2012, 11:49 PM
It seems to me like knowledge of music theory more or less defines the ability of bands to recapture "magic", in that Trey clearly had a highly focused vision for the first two but concocted it from a musically illiterate perspective-- so that future works are thusly written with the idea of him "supposing" that the next part should be such, when in reality such an approach more or less amounts to throwing darts in a lightless room and hoping for a bull's eye. It's one thing to try to "build" upon ideas by ear as opposed to actually just seeing/knowing the objective melodic content of various riffs/tails that might be present in a song, and then seeing where to go from there with intuition aided by obeisance to theoretical principals.

I think an album like, say, Gorguts - Obscura is kind of the answer to that-- seeing the perfection of form + concept evinced by the "earthly" death metal of Morbid Angel, etc. (by this I mean, while it is an epic work with absolutely no wasted motion, it's still "just death metal" if that makes sense-- albeit masterful death metal) and then opting to proceed so utterly beyond them, and other bands, that there is no real aesthetic relation to any other artist. Luc, also, clearly has studied classical composition, which I can only presume would, in part, account for the successful fruition of such ambitious material. It certainly accounts for the aspects of voice leading and motif in their music, at least, though from what I understand he tries not to think in terms of actual tones (for whatever reason).

What songs from Covenant strike you as mediocre, though? I feel it's rather solidly constructed up until the last two tracks. And also, I'm curious what your thoughts regarding the lyrical meaning of the title track Blessed are? Everything else seems pretty self-evident, I'm not sure on that one though... I think my best guess would be something along the lines of civilization capitulating as a result of vice and hedonism from the narrator and his demoniacal cohort's influence.

NotFromANUS
12-01-2012, 12:21 AM
It seems to me like knowledge of music theory more or less defines the ability of bands to recapture "magic" ...etc.
I don't know that I buy this. In fact, sometime around or just after Covenant, Trey began looking toward incorporating more traditional melodic theory. It never fully came to fruition, but it should be noted.

I think an album like, say, Gorguts - Obscura is kind of the answer to that
Maybe. In a way, Obscura is its own entity though. Lemay claims he wasn't influenced by his classical training in forming that album, but of course that's bullshit. After Erosion he studied music, then he came back to metal and out came this record.

The impetus behind the album was actually quite mundane, however. They wanted to write a metal album that didn't rely on "all those really fast riffs."

*Morbid Angel are different*
I understand what you mean. I think, oddly enough, one of the core aspects that made this band great (most likely indirectly) is how "quirky" they are. They are a mish mash of the earliest Black Metal, Van Halen, and acid influenced interpretations of Mozart and Pink Floyd.

What songs from Covenant strike you as mediocre, though? I feel it's rather solidly constructed up until the last two tracks.
Well, the last two tracks. Also, Angel of Disease is just out of place. I think the first six songs on Covenant show a rather clear vision and have a logical flow to them. Then, they just couldn't decide what to do.

And also, I'm curious what your thoughts regarding the lyrical meaning of the title track Blessed are? Everything else seems pretty self-evident, I'm not sure on that one though... I think my best guess would be something along the lines of civilization capitulating as a result of vice and hedonism from the narrator and his demoniacal cohort's influence.
I think you're a little off base here (unless I'm misreading you). The lyrics (which I normally pay little attention to for any band) are mostly centered around Vincent's interpretation of Satanism. In the context of the album, he is unabashedly partaking in the hedonistic pleasures in chaos and reaping the rewards of... something or other. Sorry, my brain just farted.

Steve08
12-01-2012, 01:18 AM
I don't know that I buy this. In fact, sometime around or just after Covenant, Trey began looking toward incorporating more traditional melodic theory. It never fully came to fruition, but it should be noted.That's pretty interesting about Trey, I didn't know that. But what I mean is that, like... if you know music theory, and apply it to your own compositions, it is easy to go back in time and review previous treatments of motifs/thematic development, and with such a literal view of "what once was" it's less daunting to breathe life into other, similarly constructed works, even if they express different moods/ideas. You can run out of riffs through playing by ear (much like I suspect what happened somewhere around Gateways, or Heretic), but never really songs, if a "song" to oneself is more of an abstract, theoretical concept as opposed to a series of tones organized into space (this is the best way I can describe musically illiterate perception). Does that make sense? Not that intense vision cannot be enacted without musical literacy, merely that it strongly aids in reproduction of said vision.I understand what you mean. I think, oddly enough, one of the core aspects that made this band great (most likely indirectly) is how "quirky" they are. They are a mish mash of the earliest Black Metal, Van Halen, and acid influenced interpretations of Mozart and Pink Floyd.I've never really considered any of that beyond Van Halen and Mozart... but in hindsight, that would seem to be exactly what they are, actually. Huh. Very interesting.Well, the last two tracks. Also, Angel of Disease is just out of place. I think the first six songs on Covenant show a rather clear vision and have a logical flow to them. Then, they just couldn't decide what to do.Makes sense, I agree with you on Angel of Disease as well, actually. Great song, but I kind of feel like it would be a better choice for Altars (perhaps in lieu of Bleed for the Devil?).I think you're a little off base here (unless I'm misreading you). The lyrics (which I normally pay little attention to for any band) are mostly centered around Vincent's interpretation of Satanism. In the context of the album, he is unabashedly partaking in the hedonistic pleasures in chaos and reaping the rewards of... something or other. Sorry, my brain just farted.Yeah, I pretty much only ever read lyrics for my very favorite artists, myself, but I find there to be a highly interesting lyrical narrative present on that album which more or less runs concurrent to the music (making lyrical content worthy of discussion, for once), basically of a somewhat Biblically inspired tale of the narrator's "fall from grace" to hell, followed by a welcome, if not gleeful transmogrification into some sort of noteworthy demonic entity ("For I'm no human now/I burn the ways conform/The gods are pleased with me/They speak my name in tongues", the familiar address of Azazel in the end of that song also suggests this IMO), followed by an apocalyptic return to earth resulting in a subjugation of humanity, eventual attack on heaven itself with an epilogue in appraisal of "the ancient ones" (an interpretation, which, if you care, I stumbled upon in this thread (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1435453) aeons ago and have subsequently found much logic in).

So with that in mind, the only song that I can't really deduce a particular narrative "place" for lyrically is the title track itself, as it seems to be more philosophical in tone, rather than a fantastical depiction of epic conflict.

NotFromANUS
12-01-2012, 12:21 PM
if you know music theory, and apply it to your own compositions, it is easy to go back in time and review previous treatments of motifs/thematic development, and with such a literal view of "what once was" it's less daunting to breathe life into other, similarly constructed works, even if they express different moods/ideas. You can run out of riffs through playing by ear (much like I suspect what happened somewhere around Gateways, or Heretic), but never really songs, if a "song" to oneself is more of an abstract, theoretical concept as opposed to a series of tones organized into space (this is the best way I can describe musically illiterate perception). Does that make sense?
I think I understand the gist of what you're saying. I think this is really a problem endemic to Metal. Metal is at heart a riff centered form of music. As such, even the greatest bands with the clearest visions are stuck in a compositional hole.

Furthermore, Metal necessitates a kind of youthful energy. Once people are past their prime, it becomes exceedingly difficult for them to recapture that energy.

Realistically, I think you assertion works in a limited scope. Immolation is a great example of a band that upped their musicianship and theoretical knowledge to get out of a rut. They were able to do so twice. Once between Dawn of Possession and Here in After and then right after Failures for Gods. Since Close to a World Below (arguably their magnum opus), they have been straight down hill. Bathory is perhaps another example of this, where the gradual influence of Quorthon's classical listening produced his greatest results, only to have him burn out.

*interpretation* an interpretation, which, if you care, I stumbled upon in this thread (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1435453) aeons ago and have subsequently found much logic in).
AH! So the student has finally surpassed the master. You are the warrior of a new world, while I remain a relic of the past. Yet, this is the greatest honor one can show to another.

So with that in mind, the only song that I can't really deduce a particular narrative "place" for lyrically is the title track itself, as it seems to be more philosophical in tone, rather than a fantastical depiction of epic conflict.
Yes, with that in mind, it is up to you to resolve this problem.

Humbly, let me offer a place to start. If the narrative runs such that the narrator subjugates humanity, perhaps he speaks of his delight in the pleasures which victory has bestowed upon him. He has conquered the earth and shall enjoy himself in the most profane way. "**** you, Jesus! It's blood orgy time!"

Perhaps a parallel to Sodomize the Weak by Blood is not out of the question?

Born Headless
07-29-2013, 08:05 PM
So, looks like I'm gonna get to see Morbid Angel in November. How are they these days? I mean, Pete is out of the picture, Dave looks/sounds like a joke, the last album was an abomination... But yeah, apparently they are going to be playing Covenant in its entirety so that's pretty cool. So, think they'll slay live?

duncang
07-29-2013, 08:10 PM
They were very good when I saw them last year.

Born Headless
07-29-2013, 08:25 PM
^ Well that's good to hear, thanks.