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SiLvEr_StRiNgZ
04-20-2006, 02:23 PM
yea well im getting each dinto more shed ay and i was wondering, what scales/patterns can i use to get a minor/dark shred solo? each time i make up fast licks im mainly using the dorian and phrygian modes and it sounds happy and really irritating.




thanks.

PooKoo
04-20-2006, 02:27 PM
modes, natural minor, phrygian, not dorian though, usually. Harmonic minor, diminished, its all good.

pavan
04-20-2006, 02:28 PM
hungarian scale is good for "shedding"

Icas
04-20-2006, 02:32 PM
I love the harmonic minor and the different modes of it. Depending on which mode your using you can get some cool sounds out of it. I suggest checking those out.

becker009
04-20-2006, 02:43 PM
so you want to shed?
hhaha so yeah just use minor, harmonic minor, diminished, phyrigian, etc

SiLvEr_StRiNgZ
04-20-2006, 02:49 PM
lol wow i just realized how f**ked up my spelling is lol... thanks alot for the help peoples

slash_620
04-20-2006, 03:04 PM
The locrian mode is quite an evil sounding scale, linkin park use it loads apparently.

Or, you could just change random notes of a major scale and play so fast that it doesn't relaly matter what notes you choose.

Stratwizard
04-20-2006, 03:05 PM
Abuse the chromatics.

wil
04-20-2006, 03:54 PM
The locrian mode is quite an evil sounding scale, linkin park use it loads apparently.

Or, you could just change random notes of a major scale and play so fast that it doesn't relaly matter what notes you choose.

Indeed it is, i find it very hard to use convincingly--
E Locrian= E F G A Bb C D- sounds great over m7b5 and diminished chords.

SuburbanCowboy
04-20-2006, 04:15 PM
You dont really need scales for metal shed. You can buy one at Home Depot or Loew's and they'll set it up in your backyard... for free :eek:






















sorry, im a dick and that wasnt funny :sad:

Like Stratwizard said, learn to travel all over the neck just using chromatics. And even though it's probably the most cliched and overused scale in soloing, I think Eminor has a certain dark and moody quality.

guywithaguitar1
04-20-2006, 04:17 PM
Abuse the chromatics.

:cheers:

Chromatics sound the most dark and dissonant

Resiliance
04-20-2006, 04:22 PM
Indeed it is, i find it very hard to use convincingly--
E Locrian= E F G A Bb C D- sounds great over m7b5 and diminished chords.

Or even better, super locrian.

Yum.

apocalypse13
04-20-2006, 05:05 PM
Abuse the chromatics.
Yes

Mix exotic scales (Arabian, Japanese, Egyptian, etc) with a hint of chromatics and harmonic minor for some fukin pwnage.

Erc
04-20-2006, 05:08 PM
You can't go wrong with some good ol' chromatic lines or transitions from scale to scale. Enough scales have been mentioned anyways.

shredfan
04-20-2006, 05:09 PM
The Phrygian major (or dominant?) is a favourite of mine. Whole tone's pretty cool as well.

SiLvEr_StRiNgZ
04-20-2006, 06:24 PM
woooow.. now all i need is to be able to play faster and more fluently...thanks again guys

apocalypse13
04-20-2006, 06:32 PM
Not really, with badass theory, you don't need flawless technique.

The sooner you get writing practice, the better.

quinny1089
04-20-2006, 06:35 PM
the hungarian minors a pretty sweet scale...sounds really dark...

and try the phrigian dominant, thats pretty cool....5th mode of the harmonic minor scale if im not mistaken...

Anghellic
04-20-2006, 06:40 PM
Abuse the chromatics.

I'm just wondering, is there a wrong way to play the chromatic scale? I'm too lazy to write real solos, so I thought I'd just improvise with the chromatic scale using tremolo picking.

apocalypse13
04-20-2006, 06:41 PM
no.....


It contains all notes. The "correct" way to do it is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 etc

canadianshred
04-20-2006, 06:44 PM
its always fun to throw some diminishes in though

PooKoo
04-20-2006, 06:49 PM
I'm just wondering, is there a wrong way to play the chromatic scale? I'm too lazy to write real solos, so I thought I'd just improvise with the chromatic scale using tremolo picking.

in that case, i most likely hate everything about you.

canadianshred
04-20-2006, 06:50 PM
:haha :haha :haha

Beckerism
04-20-2006, 07:35 PM
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SuburbanCowboy
04-21-2006, 11:16 AM
I'm just wondering, is there a wrong way to play the chromatic scale? I'm too lazy to write real solos, so I thought I'd just improvise with the chromatic scale using tremolo picking.


Big Slayer fan, eh?

But seriously, why bother if you're just gonna wank?

Hot Pants
04-21-2006, 11:07 PM
^ Hehehe :p:

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Isnt that just an A major scale?

Basically learn all the different shapes of the major/minor scales that extend up the neck and just pick one that sounds good with the song to be your root scale.

EG: Playing in E, You could start with the natural minor scale (Aeolian mode I think) in the E position and extend it all around the neck using the other modes that join on around it.

EG 2: Playing in D, You could start with the standard harmonic minor scale and extend it all around the neck for playing with a dark and mysterious sound.

Sometimes it sounds excellent when modes are mixed with pentatonics, and I dont care if you think they're basic, they kick ass (Especially when used like shawn lane did)

Its always good to learn some exotic/cultural scales like the gypsy, hungarian, balinese etc to really put a twist into your sound.

VaiSatchLaiho
04-22-2006, 12:34 AM
Use only the super locrian scale, harmonized in minor seconds with another guitar (even over major chords). A run up and down the scale may do, but it must at least be 16th notes at 220 bpm. Any deviation will result in loss of metalness.

Night_Lights
04-22-2006, 04:12 AM
hungarian minor, hirajoshi (what Nile use)

gapster
04-22-2006, 08:14 AM
the indonesian scale

PooKoo
04-22-2006, 10:18 AM
what exactly is the hungarian minor?

Stratwizard
04-22-2006, 10:22 AM
what exactly is the hungarian minor?

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1393/guitar/hung_minor.gif

Doubleday
04-22-2006, 10:30 AM
Don't use the Chromatic; it will sound more romantic and poppy then dark.

The darkest scale you can use is the natural minor.

PooKoo
04-22-2006, 10:38 AM
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1393/guitar/hung_minor.gif

that is one terrible sounding scale.

guywithaguitar1
04-22-2006, 10:57 AM
Pedal point licks are another great way to sound dark.

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apocalypse13
04-22-2006, 08:15 PM
Exotic scales ftw

quinny1089
04-22-2006, 08:18 PM
that is one terrible sounding scale.

i love that scale, i think tis ace....

:peace:

apocalypse13
04-22-2006, 08:37 PM
^Ditto, sounds pretty sweet if you ask me.

AngilasGuy
04-22-2006, 11:27 PM
I'm experimenting with different scales of different cultures, egyptian stuff sounds kickass when played fast. Try Japanese too.

mccabe24
04-22-2006, 11:30 PM
Learn all the modes and different possitions so you have the most possible material to choose from.