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Freepower
05-28-2006, 07:56 AM
Francesco Fareri sweeps 3 beats of an Am arpeggio at 33nps every chorus of “suspension”, and the tab was available off his official site. 12 notes to the beat at 165bpm.

Michael Romeo taps 32nds @ 172 in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF5ra8N1ndw&feature=related), so that's 22.93nps - thanks ZylitoL!

Jason Becker - In Paganini's 5th, at around 1 minute 40 secondish, in Jason plays 10 notes in .451 seconds, which comes to 22.17 nps, so the 21.3 that the powertab supposes is pretty accurate.(eco picked) I am getting Becker hitting anywhere from 8 to 12 notes in around .5 seconds, so the sweep claim made earlier of around 19-22 nps is accurate. (sweeps)

Steve Vai - 21.6 - the riddle, legato and tapping.

Shane Gibson - 21.3 - the sweeps throughout EmoVillagePillage here (http://www.myspace.com/shaneshred).

Paul Gilbert on "snakebite" - sextuplets at 205, we have ourselves 20.5nps!

Shawn Lane has definitely picked his trademark diminished string skips at 19.5nps (8 notes alternate picked, one economy picked. :) ). Also he preforms a 6 and a 9 in 0.735s on Power Licks, which is 20.4nps.

Guthrie Govan - Tapping in Fives as performed for Blues Jam Tracks, 32nd notes at 152 BPM for 20.267nps.

Allan Holdsworth has the greatest legato technique in the world, but I've been hard pressed to find a run that shows off his sheer speed. I've found a lick in "Heavy Machinery" thats sextuplets at 200bpm (20nps), string skipped and stretchy! This doesn't illustrate his flexibility or imagination, however, and I strongly recommend you go and listen to some of this man's playing immediately.

TheShred201 - 20 NPS for a diminished, 3-note-per-string, string skipping legato lick in the song Outworld by Outworld (Rusty Cooley). The 20 nps makes sense since it's 32nds at somewhere around 150 BPM, possibly a little over that I believe. It lasts for well over a second too... Most of his alternate picking licks are around 16nps
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nRWnUApF52U

John Petrucci plays some terrifying legato runs at around 20nps on the song “Animate-Inanimate”, and pretty much all his Dream Theatre picking solos are around 14/15nps, so please don’t ask about them.

Chris Storey from All Shall Perish playing 32nds at 150. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIdwy96BuwM ( 1:26) - which is 20nps.

Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal clocks in at 19.8nps during “I can’t play the blues” , doing some stretchy tapping nonsense.

Evil_Empire24-7 submitted this un- George Lynch - Wicked Sensations 19.8 NPS from total guitar magazine 2001. (No info on technique used, or bar, etc)


Frank Gambale has hit 19.3 nps on 6.8 Shaker.

Zaphod_Beeblebr - Paul Gilbert - In the studio version of Bliss (from the album Burning Organ) there are a few licks good for 32nds at 141bpm which is 18.8nps.

ZylitoL -Marty Friedman in Concerto - Five 32nd sweeps at 140bpm @ bar 152 according to my GP file. That's 18.7nps.

Yngwie Malmsteen on blitzkreig (32nds at 140) - 18.6 alt picked.

John 5 -In Perineum, the song with Steve Vai, John 5 hits a nice 32nds @ 138 bpm = 18.4 nps

Derryl Gable - on Visions and Dreams, economy picked line during the "acoustic" solo is 13s at 85bpm = 18.4 nps

Joe Satriani plays 32nd note 5's at 110bpm in the solo in Ice 9 (left hand legato) , which is 18.3nps. and 32nds at 138 in 'cant slow down', which is 18.4nps.

According to this (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/o/origin/the_aftermath_guitar_pro.htm) tab, Paul Ryan of Origin sweeps 32nd notes @ 135 bpn, at around bar 26 for several measures, or at 1:17 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0n2Ew2RS4o
(terrible song/band in my opinion, but speed is speed)

32nds at 135 = 18 nps.


Buckethead - 16nps on a lesson vid. Alt picking - and 17.8 nps on a tapping thing on jump man. Those are the only accurate speeds I can find.
Also -
Originally Posted by TheShred201
If the tempo's are correct in the GP on this site of Buckethead Lesson 3, he hits 17.33nps alt picking and later sweeping (32's at 130).

(Take a look at this monstrosity as well - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czpwrg8zNls#t=1m3s )

TheShred201 - Jeff Loomis sweeps 2 beats of 16th note 7's @ 160 BPM, for 18.67 NPS. That's just under a second, so if you want to do an average & add the next beat of sextuplets, it's 17.78 NPS. That's in the section from Devil Theory 3:17-3:31 as tabbed by his instructional DVD/Booklet published by guitar world.

Steve08 - Steinar Gundersen from Spiral Architect gets 32nd notes at 130 on Fountainhead at different parts, one is alternate picking and the other is legato. That's 17.33 nps.

gimme_fuel_89 - James Root from Slipknot plays consistent 5s at 200bpm on the first solo of "Welcome", which is 16.6nps.

Colton165 - Tosin Abasi plays the intro sweep/economy picking in "CAFO" at 16th note triplets at 156 bpm. 15.6 nps.

Prophet of Page- I clocked Eric Johnson earlier, he hits an EXCEPTIONALLY clean 15nps on a repeated pentatonic (2 notes per string) lick, all picked on "Ah Via Musicom", maintained for several seconds.

Tony Macalpine plays 8th note triplets at 300bpm on “hundreds of thousands”. (15nps)


Andy LaRocque plays some alt. picked sextuplets for a full bar in the second solo of Black Horsemen by King Diamond, at 150bpm. What is that, 15 NPS or something? Yes it is, actually. Andy LaRocque, 15nps.

Bleeding in the Brain, at 2:52, Ron Jarzombek sweeps 16ths at 220bpm, which is 14.6nps - although he's done lots of faster licks and we can't transcribe them. :p:

Al DiMeola's NPS on Mediterranean Sundance on the “Friday Night In San Francisco” album smoothly flies along at a superclean 14nps.






If you’re thinking of submitting something, first of all – is it real? Or is it just a tiny snap second in a half tabbed solo with the wrong tempo? Secondly, if it’s sloppy, it’s not going on the list. If we can’t be reasonably sure that the nps is correct, we’re not putting it on the list (N.B., this means all those youtube shredders claiming 58nps can just piss off, quite frankly). We aren’t going to put you on the list, these players have to play these licks on the night, in front of hundreds of people, and if they were in their bedrooms with a webcam, they’re probably faster than Rusty as well.

Hope you like the update. :)

Kymble
05-28-2006, 08:19 AM
I can sweep at 400bpm

does that me better than those guys?

xxx

Kymble
05-28-2006, 08:25 AM
that make me*

Scorzerci
05-28-2006, 08:28 AM
being one note per beat?

chase09
05-28-2006, 08:28 AM
I can sweep at 400bpm

does that me better than those guys?

xxx

First off, I highly doubt you can cleanly sweep at 400 bpm :rolleyes: (notice that 'cleanly' is the key word.) And even if you can, you'll need to submit a recording so we can verify it. And just exactly how many notes are you sweeping for each beat? Oh, and no it wouldn't make you better, just faster. :p:

fa'q
05-28-2006, 10:15 AM
I can sweep at 400bpm

does that me better than those guys?

xxx


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7509/orly5dy.jpg

Scorzerci
05-28-2006, 10:25 AM
Btw this is mainly strict alternate picking (mainly) not economy picking so yours wouldn't count I don't think.

Cheesepuff
05-28-2006, 10:31 AM
Btw this is mainly strict alternate picking (mainly) not economy picking so yours wouldn't count I don't think.


Now, maybe I'm just a n00b but, aren't economy picking and alternate picking the same thing?

Resiliance
05-28-2006, 10:32 AM
Uh.. Sweeping and economy picking are unrelated.

Freepower
05-28-2006, 10:37 AM
Btw this is mainly strict alternate picking (mainly) not economy picking so yours wouldn't count I don't think.

No, its willjay who does only strict alternate, here we have tapping (if it's fast for TAPPING) and sweeping and all that silly quick nonsense.

Thats one reason willjay's list looks so much more conservative than this one - rusty can sweep like a mofo, but willy counts only his alternate picking - and Shawn lane's very fastest licks (like the 9s, or or his ridiculous legato) often contain legato string changes and economy picking...

Basic point is - if you want a list of the fastest ALTERNATE PICKERS, go to willjay - his list is dead accurate, afaik, and it's quite nifty with all the sound clips. If you want to hear the most "Notes in a second" regardless of technique, look at this list. :)

PenumbralFigure
05-28-2006, 10:38 AM
How about Michael Angelo Batio? (Or rather, the robot that was made to look like him) He may not be the fastest in the world, but i think it'd be cool to know how fast he can play.

Video link. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7348121519212763390&q=michael+angelo+batio)

PooKoo
05-28-2006, 10:40 AM
No, its willjay who does only strict alternate, here we have tapping (if it's fast for TAPPING) and sweeping and all that silly quick nonsense.

Thats one reason willjay's list looks so much more conservative than this one - rusty can sweep like a mofo, but willy counts only his alternate picking - and Shawn lane's very fastest licks (like the 9s, or or his ridiculous legato) often contain legato string changes and economy picking...

Basic point is - if you want a list of the fastest ALTERNATE PICKERS, go to willjay - his list is dead accurate, afaik, and it's quite nifty with all the sound clips. If you want to hear the most "Notes in a second" regardless of technique, look at this list. :)

where is willjays list?

Cheesepuff
05-28-2006, 10:43 AM
Hey, if tapping is included, get Buckethead on this list pls.

Freepower
05-28-2006, 10:54 AM
Hey, those ****in noobs can offer suggestions, though it'd be nice for someone to find something instead of me doing all the searching and maths...im looking for some BH now, and im going to add willjay's list at the bottom. (with all credit due, of course)

How about Michael Angelo Batio? (Or rather, the robot that was made to look like him) He may not be the fastest in the world, but i think it'd be cool to know how fast he can play.
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He's on it.

PooKoo
05-28-2006, 10:55 AM
no they cant! they dont have basic human rights!

Scorzerci
05-28-2006, 11:02 AM
I can upload the huge ass WIljay File if anyone wants it?

Freepower
05-28-2006, 11:15 AM
BH - 16nps on a lesson vid. Alt picking. Can't find any tabs of his crazy tapping stuff.

Bearing in mind he invented it to play a Shawn solo. ;)

Oh...wait, and 17.8 nps on a tapping thing on jump man. Thasall i can find. :)

http://rapidshare.de/files/13383407/Willjay_s__NPS_Clocking_Project_.rar.html

Theres the willy stuff. :)

Scorzerci
05-28-2006, 11:21 AM
Is there a list anywhere from Wiljay In order of the fastest to slower ?

Beckerism
05-28-2006, 11:52 AM
Becker consistantly alt. picks 16 nps. (Multiple songs, Anchored)
Sweeps on Serrana in Solo-Live in Japan from 19-22 nps.

I had a long dissertation backing ^ somewhere. I'll type another one in a bit.


And we gota get some updated Impellitteri on there. 13.6? That's pathetic. I can even go that high on a good day. :p:

Edit: Just searched, and the info backing the Serrana sweeps is in the Random Shred Chat. No way am I looking through all of that. :p: I'll be typing another one.

Resiliance
05-28-2006, 12:06 PM
Yeah, it's pretty low for a fastest guitarists list :p:

Scorzerci
05-28-2006, 12:28 PM
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4720432&highlight=becker+nps#post4720432
that it?

Evil_Empire24-7
05-28-2006, 01:29 PM
Steve Morse
Steve once played 14 notes per second in the song "Tumeni Notes" from
the album "High Tension Wires".


Marty Friedman
Marty once played 15 notes per second in "Ashes in your Mouth" from the
album "Countdown".


Yngwie Malmsteen
Yngwie limit was 16.8 notes per second in "Far beyond the Sun" from
"Rising Force".


Nuno Bettencourt
Nuno played 17 notes a second in "He-Man Women Hater" from "Pornograffitti".


Joe Satriani
The Legato Master once played 17.6 notes per second in "The Mystical Potato
Head Groove Thing" from "Flying In a Blue Dream".


Eddie Van Halen
Eddie once played 18.7 nps in "You Really Got Me" from "Van Halen".

Beckerism
05-28-2006, 01:45 PM
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4720432&highlight=becker+nps#post4720432
that it?

Yep! That's it.

Edit: Actually there was one where I went more indept. I just reiterated that one.

Erc
05-28-2006, 04:14 PM
Good update! I like it =)

thelastdeath
05-29-2006, 12:08 AM
mm k...i'm curious how long have these guys been playing? shawn lane looks pretty old (and big too :D)


the lastdeath :liplick:

Erc
05-29-2006, 12:15 AM
Most of the players are around their mid 30s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNlPyxDX5I&search=shawn%20lane

Thats shawn lane at age 17.

PooKoo
05-29-2006, 12:17 AM
never seen that one before. Damn, i love him.

scheck006
05-29-2006, 12:40 AM
haha at first I thought you were going to post my nps. :p:

I think it would be a good idea to separate all the nps scores into categories based on the ones that are picked and the ones that are tapped/legato.

PooKoo
05-29-2006, 12:41 AM
i agree, actually, thats a really good idea.

Freepower
05-29-2006, 05:53 AM
Eurgh, that takes time...alright, i'll see what i can do!

Jakeylee111
05-29-2006, 06:25 AM
haha at first I thought you were going to post my nps. :p:

I think it would be a good idea to separate all the nps scores into categories based on the ones that are picked and the ones that are tapped/legato.
You're fast enough to make that list. :eek: I want proof.
Unfortunately i've never had the pleasure of hearing any of your recordings.

scheck006
05-29-2006, 05:12 PM
haha, no I'm not fast enough. I've never really been able to pick faster than 16ths at 210bpm.

Resiliance
05-29-2006, 05:13 PM
Tsk tsk, anchoring...

:p:

Tom Martin
05-29-2006, 06:22 PM
I don't really see what the big deal with anchoring is... 2 of the fastest players in the world (Fareri and Batio) both anchor so it can't impede your playing that much...

PooKoo
05-29-2006, 06:46 PM
I'd say it'd be more an issue with tension and such,

also, batio picks oscilliation which is least affected by it.

From what fp's told me...

Erc
05-29-2006, 07:10 PM
I don't really see what the big deal with anchoring is... 2 of the fastest players in the world (Fareri and Batio) both anchor so it can't impede your playing that much...

It just so happens that the licks that those players play arn't difficult, they are just fast.

Tom Martin
05-29-2006, 07:25 PM
Well I've taken the liberty to neaten up the list for you guys, I've put it in order and I've labelled all of them (apart from Gilbert and Lynch - I'm not sure on those two) as to what technique was used for it.

You may even notice I've looked up a couple of things for myself and updated them. Fareri is infact 33nps, not 32. Ron Thal is infact 28nps. Impillitteri I made out to be 17.8nps - on the same song, the original number of 20.1 was taken because he does one sextuplet grouping in the song, fair enough, if he'd kept that up he'd have played 20.1, but he only does it for one beat. Instead he plays 16 notes over 3 beats, and at there being just over 3 beats a second I made it out to be 17.8nps. If any of these calculations are incorrect please set me straight! Here you go:

Francesco Fareri ? 33nps ? Suspension (6 string sweeping)

Ron Thal ? 28nps ? Hands (legato)

Rusty Cooley ? 24.7nps ? Under The Influence (legato and sweeping)

Michael Angelo Batio - 23.3 nps ? No Boundaries (sweeping)

Jeff Hanneman ? 23.2 ? Angel of Death (legato)

Steve Vai - 21.6 - The Riddle (legato)

Paul Guilbert ? 20.5nps - Snakebite

George Lynch ? 19.8 - Wicked Sensations

Frank Gambale - 19.3nps - 6.8 Shaker (alternate picked)

Yngwie - 18.6 ? Blitzkrieg (alternate picked)

Shawn Lane ? 18nps (at least ? possibly up to 27) ? Trademark lick (alternate picked)

Chris Impellitteri ? 17.8 ? Race Into the Light (alternate picked)

Tony Macalpine ? 15nps ? Hundreds of Thousands (alternate picked)

John Petrucci ? 14nps ? Various songs (alternate picked)

Al DiMeola - 14nps ? Mediterranean Sundance (alternate picked)




And now, for the odd ones ?

Marcus Paus ? is NOT 44.6nps ?Miscalculation: It?s damn fast but it?s not 44.

Allan Holdsworth - 37nps ? A self proclaimed ?moment of genius? also very hard to hear ? a one off.

Joe Satriani ? 32nps ? Flying in a Blue Dream (live) ? this seems to be common knowledge but I don?t know of a single person who?s ever seen/heard proof. Either way it?s a live one off, he?s never hit anything near that since.

Hope that helps :)

Beckerism
05-29-2006, 07:31 PM
What about Jason Becker's sweeps of 19.31 nps averaged over 29 seconds?

Tom Martin
05-29-2006, 07:42 PM
Whats the song? And if you've got a tab you'll no doubt be able to find a faster section than 19.3 if its an average.

guitarfreaksg
05-29-2006, 08:03 PM
is this thread about fastes solos picking only?

HammerForce
05-29-2006, 08:03 PM
Fp you should add that Kai Hansen one at just over 18 that i sent you a few months back.

Man Shawn Lane scares me :O

Beckerism
05-29-2006, 08:26 PM
Whats the song? And if you've got a tab you'll no doubt be able to find a faster section than 19.3 if its an average.


Serrana-Live in Japan.

At 140 bpm it takes 40 seconds for the part to play. Jason plays that exact same part in 29 seconds. That means that he plays the same peice at a 1.3793x rate. Since the powertab is played at 14 nps at 140 bpm, that means that in the live version he plays

14x1.3793=19.31 notes per second averaged over 29 seconds.

But the thing is, some parts he plays slower than others, and very well may range from 16-22 nps. The thing is, we never known exactly how fast he gets, so I think it's unfair to guess a random high point on that peice (such as 21.34234 etc). That's why I think it makes more sense to just document it as:

19.31 nps averaged over 29 seconds.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6444846096586718656&q=serrana+live+in+japan





Edit: And some more Becker:

The later part of Paganini's 5th is consistantly 16 nps alternate picking, with few parts hitting 21.3 nps.

In Altitudes, 16 nps is maintained for a considerable while. (alt pick/sweeping/arpeggiating combo)

In Mabel's Fatal Fable, 17.3 nps is maintained for multiple seconds. (Alt picked)

In Grilled Peeps Becker consistantly hits 16 nps, with one miniscule bit hitting 20 nps. The 20 nps is for so short a time period however that it is pretty much negligible. (Alt picked)

In Perpetual Burn, Becker maintains 18.3 nps (sweeps)

In Black Cat Becker sweeps 17.73 nps for a few seconds.

In Desert Island Becker hits 18.67 nps on a single string alt pick run. This one is WAY too shaky to be credibile however.


Song Titles are Italicized, NPS, and Length are Bolded.


CONCLUSION:

Fastest sweeps are at 19.31+ nps
Fastest Alt. Picking is at 21.3 nps.

So, he'll definitely give Yngwie a run for his money, but doesn't come close to touching Lane.


Last thing, these are ALL (besides the Serrana sweep) taken from Power Tab, so the results are not absolute. However, I do think they reflect a somewhat accurate representation of the pieces, with some parts being quicker, and some being slower. :)

PooKoo
05-29-2006, 09:02 PM
knux beckerism

(nice resi sig too)

sirpsycho85
05-29-2006, 09:44 PM
how fast can the fastest players tremolo?

Evil_Empire24-7
05-29-2006, 09:46 PM
John McLaughlin hits 33.3 NPS on Birds Of Fire (Alt picked and string skipping)

metal_man12
05-29-2006, 09:51 PM
wat time in BOF?^

Evil_Empire24-7
05-29-2006, 09:53 PM
2:47

metal_man12
05-29-2006, 10:09 PM
wow never noticed that
cool ****e

Erc
05-29-2006, 11:49 PM
John McLaughlin hits 33.3 NPS on Birds Of Fire (Alt picked and string skipping)

Can ya send?

Beckerism
05-30-2006, 12:14 AM
Can ya send?

Ditto. :eek:

Erc
05-30-2006, 12:39 AM
I had it on my comp before...but I deleted, tried redling it but it wasn't showing on ares. =(

Evil_Empire24-7
05-30-2006, 02:05 AM
u can find it in limewire

Freepower
05-30-2006, 05:33 AM
I don't really see what the big deal with anchoring is... 2 of the fastest players in the world (Fareri and Batio) both anchor so it can't impede your playing that much...

Sure, but thats sweeping, and fareri and batio dont exactly have the most fluent picking technique...

I've never seen any fareri string skipping yet. And while MAB is uber-clean, he's not Rusty, Gilbert, or Shawn fast. You can see it holding him back. Its a matter of freedom, which, if you look at the lines those guys play, you find it hard to believe they have.

Oh, and can you link me to the race into the light tab you're using? And thanks for ordering them.

John McLaughlin hits 33.3 NPS on Birds Of Fire (Alt picked and string skipping)

I can't find that on the GP or PT version. Nothing even REMOTELY that fast. I think the time sigs messing with your calculations, because nowhere am i seeing the density of notes required for that kinda speed...


Oh, and Kai Hansen, Rebellion in Dreamland 18nps, alternate picked. :)

Beckerism
05-30-2006, 10:26 AM
So you're not going to add any of the Becker info? :p:

Doubleday
05-30-2006, 10:28 AM
So the fastest alternately plectrumed is John Petrucci? Seems like everyone else is doing legato runs.

Freepower
05-30-2006, 10:42 AM
So you're not going to add any of the Becker info? :p:


I will, i will... :p: When im done in this thread. :)

And no, petrucci's not the fastest picker. Rusty's faster on the updated list, the old list and to anyone's ears. Thats not even bringing up Shawn. And there are a lot of uberfast legato lines because, simply, it's easier (generally) to play the same line faster legato.

Resiliance
05-30-2006, 11:59 AM
John McLaughlin hits 33.3 NPS on Birds Of Fire (Alt picked and string skipping)


There is no way in HELL that the part at 2:47 is anywhere NEAR 33.3 nps.

Tom Martin
05-30-2006, 12:18 PM
The power tab I used to get the impellitteri info is the one on this site...

This one right here... (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/i/impellitteri/race_into_the_light_power_tab.htm)

Its the [G] Guitar solo [1:22] part... the first bar. He plays 3 beats of quintuplets and one beat of sextuplets. Correct me if I'm wrong :) The first three bars of the solo are all pretty damn fast, between 16.8 and 17.8 nps. And all alt picked :eek:

Personally I'd say Fareri is the fastest alt picker, watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkZ3Ba7Hk7Q&search=fareri) , quite near the start he does this insane lick (well its not really melodic enough to call it a lick so I use the term gently). Its gotta be pretty damn fast, I'm no Cooley expert but thats the fastest alt picking I've seen.

EDIT: That McLaughlin lick is 13nps. Whoever made that out to be 33 needs to redo their maths education...

Beckerism
05-30-2006, 12:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkZ3Ba7Hk7Q&search=fareri


Yah, he's a beast. :haha: That's got to be near the 22s if not higher.

scheck006
05-30-2006, 12:58 PM
i never want to hear shredding like that again :(

Stratwizard
05-30-2006, 02:57 PM
Micheal Amott from Arch Enemy plays alternated picked lick using sextuplets at 190 on Nemesis.

PooKoo
05-30-2006, 03:10 PM
I love shred, but i dont like ferrari, still fun to watch though.

Never dug his vibrato either.

He has melodic dyslexia, as i like to call it, too.

Evil_Empire24-7
05-30-2006, 03:25 PM
if the mclaughlin lick is not 33.3 then maybe the one who told me is a stupid dumb motha****a.

so could u tell me how to calculate the nps of any lick ?

Prophet of Page
05-30-2006, 03:28 PM
Never dug his vibrato either.

When I first read that, I thought you said:



Never dug his vibrator either.

Scorzerci
05-30-2006, 03:31 PM
Well Matthias IA has played guitar with a dildo!

Freepower
05-30-2006, 05:05 PM
Micheal Amott from Arch Enemy plays alternate picked lick using sextuplets at 190 on Nemesis. (19nps)

Alrighty.

Btw, we're stickied, so im going to edit some of this stuff in now. :)


Righty, edited, check the first post again for a look.

rat-man
05-30-2006, 06:00 PM
im not sure about this but i'll it check later on , Michael Romeo does a picking run of 32nds at 190bpm in thorns of sorrow

Freepower
05-30-2006, 06:07 PM
He does a sextuplet run at 145bpm afaik. :)

rat-man
05-30-2006, 06:19 PM
oh woops my bad

Freepower
05-30-2006, 06:27 PM
Np, worse than that has happened, believe me! :p:

Evil_Empire24-7
05-30-2006, 07:17 PM
Freepower u should post these because i took them from the guitar world 2001 magazine


Steve Morse
Steve once played 14 notes per second in the song "Tumeni Notes" from
the album "High Tension Wires".


Marty Friedman
Marty once played 15 notes per second in "Ashes in your Mouth" from the
album "Countdown".


Yngwie Malmsteen
Yngwie limit was 16.8 notes per second in "Far beyond the Sun" from
"Rising Force".


Nuno Bettencourt
Nuno played 17 notes a second in "He-Man Women Hater" from "Pornograffitti".


Joe Satriani
The Legato Master once played 17.6 notes per second in "The Mystical Potato
Head Groove Thing" from "Flying In a Blue Dream".


Eddie Van Halen
Eddie once played 18.7 nps in "You Really Got Me" from "Van Halen".

Beckerism
05-30-2006, 07:23 PM
Eddie Van Halen
Eddie once played 18.7 nps in "You Really Got Me" from "Van Halen".

Although it came from a reputable magazine, I have trouble believing this. :p:

Evil_Empire24-7
05-30-2006, 07:28 PM
No doubt it's Tapping !!!!

Beckerism
05-30-2006, 07:30 PM
No doubt it's Tapping !!!!

That was also kind of what I was thinking. :p:

Evil_Empire24-7
05-30-2006, 07:33 PM
but eddie can manage to hold this one without Tapping.

Godly Moose
05-30-2006, 07:58 PM
From tabs I've seen Ron Thal's, "Guitars Suck" hits 32nd quintuplets at 160bpm with legato and tapping work. Which I believe is 26.7 nps.

Also the alt. pick part in Blitzkrieg is at 105 bpm not 150, and so 32nd notes at 105bpm is only 14 nps.

DropD_Todd
05-31-2006, 01:52 AM
I heard Kirk Hammett got 19.2 notes per second in disposable heros Why anit that up there

scheck006
05-31-2006, 02:44 AM
Freepower

did you look at the stream of consciousness solo for petrucci???

JimmyStradlin33
05-31-2006, 08:00 AM
I find that hard to believe about Kirk Hammet to be honest. Unless it's the tapping part of the solo. I dunno if i've worked this out right but in the Bad horsie solo Vai goes at 25.4 nps. It's in total guitar so i assume that the notation and bpm are accurate so i worked it out as 32nd note triplets at 127 bpm. It is mainly legato however. Also cut freepower a bit of slack people. He's doing a great job and probably spends his life editing this thread as it is lol.

Tom Martin
05-31-2006, 08:31 AM
I don't know how you worke that out, but I've got that Total Guitar and the fastest run is one of the last bars of the tapped part - its 19.05nps.

He's playing 9 notes per beat (don't be confused by the 32nd notes - its notated in half time so they've put it as 2 lots of 18 notes per beat grouping instead of 4 lots of 9 - so its only 9 notes per beat not 18. If it were 18 he'd be playing a staggering 38.1 :eek:

Freepower
05-31-2006, 08:34 AM
Hammet tremolo picks a few notes at 18.8nps. :)

psychodelia
05-31-2006, 08:43 AM
I wonder what a fastest bassist list would look like...

JimmyStradlin33
05-31-2006, 09:01 AM
Ah right sorry lol i didn't no it was in half time. That's probably about right then which would mean the lick i worked out as 25.4 is probably more like 13 nps. Cheers lol.

Doubleday
05-31-2006, 10:38 AM
I wonder what a fastest bassist list would look like...
Probably--

Billy Sheehan

Billy Sheehan

Billy Sheehan

John Myung

Billy Sheehan

What is Eddie Van Halen's fastest solo?

Evil_Empire24-7
05-31-2006, 12:50 PM
someone named Adrian Davison is the fastest bassist in the world though i haven't heard him playing.

gilbertisgod
05-31-2006, 01:32 PM
Is Hammett's 18.8 tremolo picking in Disposable heroes? I like that solo (please don't hurt me)

Stratwizard
05-31-2006, 01:35 PM
^But tremolo picking isn't counted here.

gilbertisgod
05-31-2006, 03:37 PM
yeah it's probably a good thing that tremolo picking is counted, and ill be first to admit that hammett is no shredder but i still love a bit of 'tallica.

hammettwyldefan
05-31-2006, 04:38 PM
Hammett doesn't reach 18 on Disposable Heroes it not really close to that. On blackened though he gets 18.2

Evil_Empire24-7
05-31-2006, 04:41 PM
he hits 19.2 nps on Damage Inc. (just some Tapping)

Resiliance
05-31-2006, 04:51 PM
Am I the only one to think this list would be ruined and kind of laughable if Kirk was on the list and lead to an influx of noobies saying they know people who are faster but barely reach 10 nps - which they obviously don't realise? :p:

scheck006
05-31-2006, 05:06 PM
Hammet tremolo picks a few notes at 18.8nps. :)

anchored too.

I could never do the downstrokes for master of puppets. how do you increase your speed for that?

hammettwyldefan
05-31-2006, 05:07 PM
i dont think he should be on the list I was just saying what he had reached

Resiliance
05-31-2006, 05:07 PM
Uh... Back in the day, I just did it until my arm fell off.

And again.


And again.


And eventually you'll have enough endurance and more to boot.

scheck006
05-31-2006, 05:24 PM
well yea me too. I used to just pop in all my metallica cd's and play straight through all of them.

I just thought there might be a methodical way to increase picking speed like that. hetfield and hammet really are insane, if you watch the DT cover of master of puppets you see even petrucci has problems with it.

I think the way the guitar mag put it was...


"in this song you can hear hetfield and hammet developing carpal tunnel syndrome. "

Resiliance
05-31-2006, 05:25 PM
And jeez... I just realised how incredibly dubious my post sounds up there...

Beckerism
05-31-2006, 05:35 PM
Just read it again.

Reaction: :haha

Godly Moose
05-31-2006, 07:05 PM
From tabs I've seen Ron Thal's, "Guitars Suck" hits 32nd quintuplets at 160bpm with legato and tapping work. Which I believe is 26.7 nps.

Also the alt. pick part in Blitzkrieg is at 105 bpm not 150, and so 32nd notes at 105bpm is only 14 nps.


Incase FP didn't see it.

scheck006
05-31-2006, 07:38 PM
petrucci plays 21 notes in 2 beats of stream of consciousness when the tempo is at 125

check it out

on this dying soul he plays 32nds at 138. which are legato

also he plays 19 notes in 2 beats at the same tempo

SnowballofDoom
05-31-2006, 07:42 PM
^Are you going by the PT transcription? I wouldn't trust that one tbh...

scheck006
05-31-2006, 08:07 PM
I just want someone to look at it. i'm not saying post those

blues_rocker
05-31-2006, 09:17 PM
You should post the time in each song that the Shredder hits the NPS. It would be much easier to fund and check the speed if we knew the time they played that fast.

Cheesepuff
05-31-2006, 09:56 PM
he hits 19.2 nps on Damage Inc. (just some Tapping)
^Talkin' about Kirk Hammet

Yngwie on blitzkreig (32nds at 140) - 18.6 alt picked.

:eek: WTF? Kirk Hammet > Yngwie? No feckin way!

Godly Moose
05-31-2006, 10:59 PM
^Talkin' about Kirk Hammet



:eek: WTF? Kirk Hammet > Yngwie? No feckin way!

Yngwie only alt. picks 14 nps in Blitzkrieg but half of the first section of the song he does 32nds at 140bpm which is 18.7 nps. Besides tapping fast is much easier to reach really high nps then when you're alt. picking.

Gitter_Wizard
05-31-2006, 11:57 PM
that ridiculous 37 nps i wanna see a movie and i wanna hear sum god ddamnn audio goddammmmmittt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

waylay00
06-01-2006, 01:18 AM
What about this video of Lane? Pretty fast to me...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5608723890520356526&q=shawn+lane

Evil_Empire24-7
06-01-2006, 06:46 AM
^Talkin' about Kirk Hammet



:eek: WTF? Kirk Hammet > Yngwie? No feckin way!it would be ridiculous to think that hammett is faster than malmsteen , i wonder why people like hammett ?


Rocks - Frank gambale and allan holdsworth

Hey Tee Bone - Frank gambale , Shawn lane and Brett Garsed

those songs have good runs to check the nps

gimme_fuel_89
06-01-2006, 07:01 AM
I don't know why Mick Thomson hasn't been brought up yet. He plays sextuplets at 200 bpm on Welcome which equates to 20 nps.

EDIT: Alternate picked I might add.

Freepower
06-01-2006, 07:09 AM
Apparently its Jim does that particular solo, and theres only one sextuplet (but consistent 5s) so 16.6nps for that chappy then.

Prophet of Page
06-01-2006, 01:39 PM
You know whats funny, this proves nothing really. It doesn't prove that Fareri is the fastest, just that he's really damn fast.

Freepower
06-01-2006, 03:02 PM
Yeh, i've seen some other sweeps i thought may well have been faster, but i have no way of measuring properly.

And he's hardly the cleanest or best technically - just very fast. His picking aint up to much, imo.

Evil_Empire24-7
06-01-2006, 03:09 PM
how do u mean with holdsworth's 37 ? is it 37 in one second or what ?

Freepower
06-01-2006, 03:27 PM
It's ridiculously fast, it's a short run that starts fast, and just gets faster and faster till its a blur.

Having spent about the last 10 minutes dissecting it as best as possible, i get it to be roughly 30nps. (Actually! :p: )

Thats 12 notes in 0.39 of a second, if anyone's curious. I dont have a bpm or division, thats just me (and my brother's) ears applied to a short clip slowed down to quarter speed. :)

apocalypse13
06-01-2006, 03:29 PM
Post the clip! :D:D:D

Evil_Empire24-7
06-01-2006, 03:49 PM
well that's cool.

i would suggest u look up for Paco de lucia's (entre dos aguas) which has a fast run on 2:58
so it would be cool to add a (fingerpicked fastest guitarist) but sure there are many faster runs.

Prophet of Page
06-01-2006, 05:38 PM
Somebody clock this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqfI-m4jbUM&search=richie%20kotzen

I'm curious.

PooKoo
06-01-2006, 05:48 PM
Love that video.

i am curious as well, tom.

Freepower
06-01-2006, 06:53 PM
Somebody clock this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqfI-m4jbUM&search=richie%20kotzen

I'm curious.

Urgh, is there any better sound quality for that? Counting slowed down notes half-accurate is hard enough...

Godly Moose
06-01-2006, 09:24 PM
What about this video of Lane? Pretty fast to me...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5608723890520356526&q=shawn+lane

I love Grey(A or is it E?) Pianos Flying easily my favorite song by Lane.

waylay00
06-02-2006, 12:59 AM
Yeah, I love it (not as much as "Not Again" though).

Oh yeah, it's Gray Piano's Flying.

gimme_fuel_89
06-02-2006, 03:25 AM
Apparently its Jim does that particular solo, and theres only one sextuplet (but consistent 5s) so 16.6nps for that chappy then.

I didn't know this list was based on consistency....... In fact, I'm pretty sure half the people on the list hold their high speeds only momentarily......

I was also almost certain it was Mick playing that solo :confused:

Stratwizard
06-02-2006, 01:45 PM
You know whats funny, this proves nothing really. It doesn't prove that Fareri is the fastest, just that he's really damn fast.

Yeah, and he's quite sloppy too... :eek:

Prophet of Page
06-02-2006, 02:08 PM
Urgh, is there any better sound quality for that? Counting slowed down notes half-accurate is hard enough...


I did look, but nope, sorry.

Freepower
06-02-2006, 04:18 PM
Thats ok.

Thats always been the thing about this list - there's people who it's impossible to clock properly. Im going to have a go at clocking lane's legato tonight, for a laugh. :)

Beckerism
06-02-2006, 04:22 PM
Thats ok.

Thats always been the thing about this list - there's people who it's impossible to clock properly. Im going to have a go at clocking lane's legato tonight, for a laugh. :)
:eek:

Tom Martin
06-02-2006, 06:14 PM
Can nobody find anything faster than 14nps for Petrucci? Surely he's faster than that. I'm no massive DT fan so I wouldn't know which songs showcase him best.

SnowballofDoom
06-02-2006, 06:24 PM
Can nobody find anything faster than 14nps for Petrucci? Surely he's faster than that. I'm no massive DT fan so I wouldn't know which songs showcase him best.

For alternate picking, I think Freepower's right with the 14nps, I don't believe he's ever passed that mark on an album. But his "A Fortune In Lies" tapping solo is probably a bit faster than 14nps, to my ear anyhow. He sweeps a few arpeggios in Stream of Consciousness that might be faster than his usual, but he's a pretty solid 12-14nps fellow.

But still, a clean 14nps is still REALLY fast, and something to be proud of, imo. It's not like we need to find faster speeds for Petrucci; he's plenty fast. Not saying you implied that or anything, just saying...

sheumack111
06-02-2006, 09:27 PM
I can sweep at 400bpm

does that me better than those guys?

xxx


Yeah whatever.

sheumack111
06-02-2006, 09:39 PM
In Fatal Tragedy Petrucci Does a sweep in the solo that is at 132 bpm, 7 note sweep in one beat, equates to about 16 NPs

Tom Martin
06-03-2006, 07:56 AM
I'm not saying that Petrucci could alt pick faster than 14, but surely he could sweep a bit higher than that? I just think that 14nps seems a bit low for someone like him.

Herman Li deserves a mention, in the latest total guitar he says that he can sweep at 28nps. He didn't give a song or example or anything, but to be honest he probably can.

Resiliance
06-03-2006, 07:58 AM
If Herman Li is on this list, I'll kill myself.

I

HATE

Herman Li.

Prophet of Page
06-03-2006, 08:03 AM
I'm not saying that Petrucci could alt pick faster than 14, but surely he could sweep a bit higher than that? I just think that 14nps seems a bit low for someone like him.

Herman Li deserves a mention, in the latest total guitar he says that he can sweep at 28nps. He didn't give a song or example or anything, but to be honest he probably can.


Yeah but its probably a ****ing simple sweep and everything. He's ****ing fast, but it all pretty damn simple really. Like Fareri.

Doubleday
06-03-2006, 11:15 AM
I think Petrucci does somewhere around 16nps on Ytse Jam.

Stratwizard
06-03-2006, 11:20 AM
^Yeah, that was on the old list...

HammerForce
06-03-2006, 12:56 PM
If Herman Li is on this list, I'll kill myself.

I

HATE

Herman Li.
Why?

NevermorePsalm
06-03-2006, 01:29 PM
Becase Herman Li is a travesty to guitar.

Freepower
06-03-2006, 01:43 PM
Herman Li's fast though. He does tap 26nps if i remember right. Otoh, its so piss simple i didnt really "count" it though...

Havent seen any Li really worth looking at and im not going to look without a definate reason to look at that crap in midi.

Petrucci does go faster than 14nps, but not with picking. If anyone can give me a song bar and info (bpm, division, tab location and technique), i'll add that. (sorry about the earlier petrucci mentions.

Resiliance
06-03-2006, 02:23 PM
Blargh.

Herman Li plays really simple stuff at a tempo I'm not even quite sure of. His tone is masking as anything I've ever heard and obviously overproduced - so much that Bob Rock couldn't get it back the way it was.

He fortifies the image "shred" guitarists and fans have... And what I and many of you have been trying to shake off. Speed for the sake of speed. No "emotion", no thought, just scale wanking up and down. And can you blame them, when everyone's going on about how great of a shredder Herman Li is and they've never heard anyone else?

I, being the non-third person report trusting bloke I am, have seen Dragonforce twice so far. Both of the times I would have been outright ashamed if I were on stage with them. Appauling. This is NOT the way a professional, touring band should perform and is outright offensive to me, being a musician who takes it seriously.

Stuff like that makes me wonder wether he can even pull it off in a non-studio environment, and I don't even think it's impressive, not to mention I think it sounds like uninspired garbage.

Then again, there couldn't be a great guitarist in a band that feels the need to market theirselves as "The fastest band in the world", could there?

Overall, one word comes to mind: Gimmick.

trollblod
06-03-2006, 02:55 PM
^:golfclap:

scheck006
06-03-2006, 03:23 PM
Blargh.

Herman Li plays really simple stuff at a tempo I'm not even quite sure of. His tone is masking as anything I've ever heard and obviously overproduced - so much that Bob Rock couldn't get it back the way it was.

He fortifies the image "shred" guitarists and fans have... And what I and many of you have been trying to shake off. Speed for the sake of speed. No "emotion", no thought, just scale wanking up and down. And can you blame them, when everyone's going on about how great of a shredder Herman Li is and they've never heard anyone else?

I, being the non-third person report trusting bloke I am, have seen Dragonforce twice so far. Both of the times I would have been outright ashamed if I were on stage with them. Appauling. This is NOT the way a professional, touring band should perform and is outright offensive to me, being a musician who takes it seriously.

Stuff like that makes me wonder wether he can even pull it off in a non-studio environment, and I don't even think it's impressive, not to mention I think it sounds like uninspired garbage.

Then again, there couldn't be a great guitarist in a band that feels the need to market theirselves as "The fastest band in the world", could there?

Overall, one word comes to mind: Gimmick.

he's still faster and cleaner than I am.

paddyo
06-03-2006, 03:25 PM
^No offense meant when I say,So? Just because someone is better than you are doesn't mean shit....

Stratwizard
06-03-2006, 03:27 PM
No matter how cheesy music he makes or how simple licks he play, Li deserves to be on the list, if his NPS is high enough. I mean, c'mon even that Slipknot guy is there! :wtf:

Resiliance
06-03-2006, 03:46 PM
^Yeah, true ofcourse... But hey... I just feel the list starts to turn into a parody of itself if people like Jim Root and Herman Li get into it...

Although surely if they get the nps they should be.

Here's an idea... Maybe the name should be changed from "Fastest guitarist" to "Fastest recorded guitarists" or something of the like.

waylay00
06-03-2006, 04:16 PM
Blargh.

Herman Li plays really simple stuff at a tempo I'm not even quite sure of. His tone is masking as anything I've ever heard and obviously overproduced - so much that Bob Rock couldn't get it back the way it was.

He fortifies the image "shred" guitarists and fans have... And what I and many of you have been trying to shake off. Speed for the sake of speed. No "emotion", no thought, just scale wanking up and down. And can you blame them, when everyone's going on about how great of a shredder Herman Li is and they've never heard anyone else?

I, being the non-third person report trusting bloke I am, have seen Dragonforce twice so far. Both of the times I would have been outright ashamed if I were on stage with them. Appauling. This is NOT the way a professional, touring band should perform and is outright offensive to me, being a musician who takes it seriously.

Stuff like that makes me wonder wether he can even pull it off in a non-studio environment, and I don't even think it's impressive, not to mention I think it sounds like uninspired garbage.

Then again, there couldn't be a great guitarist in a band that feels the need to market theirselves as "The fastest band in the world", could there?

Overall, one word comes to mind: Gimmick.

+1 man. Honestly, who names their band "DragonForce"?...Sounds like some early 90's children's cartoon or action hero lineup.

Freepower
06-03-2006, 04:16 PM
Lol, thats a good idea...

Then again, there couldn't be a great guitarist in a band that feels the need to market theirselves as "The fastest band in the world", could there?

Those silly fools. The Berzerker IS the fastest band in the world. If they continue to do that, there'll be a showdown. And i wouldnt bet on the sloppy poofs.

Lol, and you're forgetting Nitro - the highest, fastest, and loudest!

shredfan
06-03-2006, 07:10 PM
Check out Michael Romeo's Betcha Can't Play This lick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5iD__lX04&search=michael%20romeo

Damn fast and hard, but a cool lick. I can't play it. :p:

tempo 172, not sure what the groupings are, possibly 32nds for some of the descending stuff?

Night_Lights
06-03-2006, 07:25 PM
+1 man. Honestly, who names their band "DragonForce"?...Sounds like some early 90's children's cartoon or action hero lineup.


obviously you are missing the point on what dragonforce are all about. you too Resi.


but no more arguing.

Resiliance
06-03-2006, 07:41 PM
Oh, I'm not missing the point.

I just think the point is a very, very crappy one.

NevermorePsalm
06-03-2006, 07:50 PM
Agreed, I dono but to me it seems all the rather (used loosely, please) n00bish type people to the shred forum adore him. He is, nothing more than an opposition of what we try to promote shred as. Shred is difficult, shred is fast, but not all the time but not fast for the sake of it. Shred is emotional, inspired, etc., not just Herman Li's "OOOOMMMGGGG, OMMMMGGG guys!, I can play teh fastzorz!"

SnowballofDoom
06-03-2006, 08:54 PM
Check out Michael Romeo's Betcha Can't Play This lick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5iD__lX04&search=michael%20romeo

Damn fast and hard, but a cool lick. I can't play it. :p:

tempo 172, not sure what the groupings are, possibly 32nds for some of the descending stuff?

Ah, thanks for sharing!

Is it just the camera angle, or has Romeo slimmed down a bit?

chase09
06-03-2006, 09:26 PM
Hey guys, I don't have tabs for this, but maybe you could slow down the recording to find out how many nps Petrucci is playing. I thought these should at least be looked at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNmXtuCtdw0&search=john%20petrucci

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtmhvTYbUQw&search=john%20petrucci

Also, the end of Wishful Thinking from his solo album is pretty darn fast. I'd have to say that as far as alternate picking goes, the end of that song is the fastest I've ever heard him play.

waylay00
06-03-2006, 09:34 PM
obviously you are missing the point on what dragonforce are all about. you too Resi.


but no more arguing.

And may I ask what the "point" of DragonForce is?

PooKoo
06-03-2006, 09:37 PM
Check out Michael Romeo's Betcha Can't Play This lick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5iD__lX04&search=michael%20romeo

Damn fast and hard, but a cool lick. I can't play it. :p:

tempo 172, not sure what the groupings are, possibly 32nds for some of the descending stuff?

have you got the tab for it?

I'd figure it out but im lazy right now.

Freepower
06-04-2006, 06:27 AM
Hey guys, I don't have tabs for this, but maybe you could slow down the recording to find out how many nps Petrucci is playing. I thought these should at least be looked at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNmXtuCtdw0&search=john%20petrucci

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtmhvTYbUQw&search=john%20petrucci

Also, the end of Wishful Thinking from his solo album is pretty darn fast. I'd have to say that as far as alternate picking goes, the end of that song is the fastest I've ever heard him play.

Thats the second mention for wishful thinking i have...if you could send me a high quality mp3 of just that section im sure i could take a proper look.

Those videos are pretty useless - the sound quality isnt good enough for me to slow it down and count, and my ear isnt good enough to figure out EXACTLY what he does and then calculate it. :)

Jakeylee111
06-04-2006, 10:51 AM
I suppose i better ask.... is Alex skolnick counted as fast ? I've often wondered.

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 10:52 AM
I'd say he is pretty fast... Although I don't know much of his Testament stuff, I have both the Alex Skolnick Trio albums.

Beckerism
06-04-2006, 12:39 PM
I Can Shred Faster Thhan Joo Lolol!!!11!!

Edit: **** Caps Lock.

chase09
06-04-2006, 01:22 PM
Thats the second mention for wishful thinking i have...if you could send me a high quality mp3 of just that section im sure i could take a proper look.


I don't know how to edit the song to only play the end, so I just uploaded the entire song straight out of iTunes (I imported it to iTunes from the actual CD). The really fast alternate picking is from 7:07 - 7:18. Anyway, I think you should give the whole song a listen because it's really good, my second favorite on the album behind Glasgow Kiss.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FFFAD7E0636C4650

PooKoo
06-04-2006, 01:53 PM
I'd say he is pretty fast... Although I don't know much of his Testament stuff, I have both the Alex Skolnick Trio albums.

I've got some of that off your site, great stuff.

Btw, if you are talking about the new petrucci, my pm box is open.

FrenchyFungus
06-04-2006, 02:24 PM
From the tab of Beast Harlot in Total Guitar:

Synster Gates plays sextuplets at 155bpm

15.5 nps

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 02:25 PM
^:haha

shredfan
06-04-2006, 02:35 PM
have you got the tab for it?

I'd figure it out but im lazy right now.

http://www.tabopolis.com/gettab.php/21006

This should give you some idea of how its played, but it's not all right. I don't have the Guitar World which had the original tab in it.

Edit: It would be a travesty if Synster was added to the list.

FrenchyFungus
06-04-2006, 02:45 PM
^:haha

:haha

I thought the reaction might be something like that.
I couldn't give a rats arse about A7x, but just wondered what you guys would say. It is fast enough to go on your list, so...

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 02:49 PM
But surely we should have some kind of minimum... On a good day, I can easily do 15.5 nps... Doesn't mean I'm fast at all.

Stratwizard
06-04-2006, 02:49 PM
^x2 What kind of lick, technique and how long does it last?

FrenchyFungus
06-04-2006, 03:04 PM
Um, it's all alt picking on one string I think, I'll check though.

He does it once for one set of sextuplets, then agin for 3-4 beats I think.

Like I said, I couldn't give a **** about them, just wondered what you guys would say when I posted that.

Stratwizard
06-04-2006, 03:06 PM
Well, were looking for constant speed and one set of sextuplets doesn't really qualify...

FrenchyFungus
06-04-2006, 03:18 PM
Right, here's a GP tab for it, which actually puts it at 19.4 nps (32nds at 72)

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/a/avenged_sevenfold/beast_and_the_harlot_guitar_pro.htm

I have a feeling the TG tab would be more accurate, but the tab does let you see the sort of lick etc.

He does it for 5 sets of sextuplets in total, one group of two, then later a group of three.

The rest of the solo is 16ths, which is 10.3 nps. He keeps that speed up constantly for like 8 bars, with the groups of sextuplets thrown in the middle.

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 03:21 PM
Do you mean those chromatics?

:haha

Tyler_blade
06-04-2006, 03:32 PM
What do Herman Li and Sam Tottman come in at? The solo's in Through Fire And Flames (Dragonforce)

SnowballofDoom
06-04-2006, 03:40 PM
Right, here's a GP tab for it, which actually puts it at 19.4 nps (32nds at 72)

Uhm, unless I'm having a major mindsnap now... 32nds at 72 is 9.6nps.

shredfan
06-04-2006, 03:40 PM
What do Herman Li and Sam Tottman come in at? The solo's in Through Fire And Flames (Dragonforce)

Why don't you ask Resi? ;)

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 03:48 PM
:gun:

32nds at 72 bpm is 9.6 nps

Yep.

reper1234567
06-04-2006, 03:51 PM
think herman and sam get to 32nds at 200bpm in some of the tapping sections but thats done in harmony so yeah :confused: does that mean that they could play faster on their own ?

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 04:01 PM
^No, but it's tapping really simple stuff, so it's not really counted.

Read the previous page.

Righteous
06-04-2006, 04:03 PM
Disregard this post.

SnowballofDoom
06-04-2006, 04:04 PM
I'm pretty sure they can't play 106 nps ;)

32nd notes, not 32 notes :p:

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 04:05 PM
^32nds at 200 bpm is 26.66666666666666666666667.

Righteous
06-04-2006, 04:06 PM
I screwed up! Sheesh, you guys didn't have to take like 2 seconds to respond so I could at least check myself...

SnowballofDoom
06-04-2006, 04:07 PM
I have no life! Don't judge me..

Stratwizard
06-04-2006, 04:07 PM
Can they really play 27.7 nps? That's pretty fast, even if it were simple licks... :eek:

Righteous
06-04-2006, 04:07 PM
Seriously now...

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 04:09 PM
Not 27.7, 26.6 ... Why is everyone turning blind :p:

But in all seriousness, so can you, doing what they do.

This is assuming the original note count and bpm is correct... I have no desire to figure it out myself.

SnowballofDoom
06-04-2006, 04:12 PM
Can they really play 27.7 nps? That's pretty fast, even if it were simple licks... :eek:

Eh yeah... but I truly suck, and I can legato 24nps... granted it's simple chromatics, and it is clean, but I'd never put it on a record.

I'm pretty sure anyone can tap simple stuff at speeds like that as well as ol' Hermy and co.

Stratwizard
06-04-2006, 04:13 PM
Cooley, 24.7, on under the influence. - legato and sweeping licks. The Picking lick is around 16nps, according to someone who?s isolated it.


That picking lick is definately faster. Sounds more like 20 nps or so to my ears.

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 04:14 PM
Yeah, but "sounds like" isn't accepted :p:

The problem is most people hear 8 nps and say "wow, I didn't know it was that slow", so they think, hey, 16 nps can't be that fast... But it is.

Just me spouting some random wisdom, don't mind me. :)

Righteous
06-04-2006, 04:16 PM
No I don't think it's 20 nps. People really don't get just how fast 20 nps really is... 16 nps is damn fast when alternate picked really.

Stratwizard
06-04-2006, 04:19 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean. I put some licks in Guitar Pro at 16 nps and then at 20 nps. When I compared them to that picking lick the 20 nps sounded more like it.

I dunno though, I might be wrong... We need a tab...

Resiliance
06-04-2006, 04:27 PM
Things tend to sound slower on midi though. And vice versa for real life recordings.

Stratwizard
06-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Yes they do, but still...

Well, I guess I'll settle for that 16 nps.

Tom Martin
06-04-2006, 05:54 PM
Actually DragonForce claim to be able to sweep 28nps... and thats 6 string sweeping, 8 notes up 6 strings down if I remember correctly. You can say its all easy, but 6 string sweeping is never easy to be honest... Don't be prudes, put them on the list.

Stratwizard
06-05-2006, 03:39 AM
They'll be put on the list, if they have enough high nps.

FrenchyFungus
06-05-2006, 05:38 AM
Uhm, unless I'm having a major mindsnap now... 32nds at 72 is 9.6nps.

Sorry, my mindsnap.

64ths

Tom Martin
06-05-2006, 05:42 AM
They'll be put on the list, if they have enough high nps.
Of which 28nps I believe puts them joint second from top of the list...
You guys can whine about how what they play is relatively simple, but please... listen to yourselves. If they can play fast, it doesn't really matter what they are playing on the whole, playing anything at over 20nps isn't easy. Unless its tapped chromatics or something like that :rolleyes:

Resiliance
06-05-2006, 05:43 AM
^In that case, put me on the list as well.

Tom Martin
06-05-2006, 06:06 AM
Well... no.

There are a million guitarists who can play over 20nps, but we obviously can't make a list of all of them.
The point I'm getting at is you guys shouldn't rip into DragonForce (I'd like to take this opportunity to point out I'm not a fan), the guys are incredibly talented. Not many people can play 28nps, so I think they deserve to be on the list. If they'd just sneaked in at 18nps with an easy lick then sure I'd agree... but 28nps is bloody fast.

I do however draw the line at A7X at 15nps... Zacky Vengeance and Synister Gates can sod off.

Resiliance
06-05-2006, 06:08 AM
Here's the thing. I can reach 28 tapping... That's why I don't think they're very talented.

Either that, or I rule.

Stratwizard
06-05-2006, 06:52 AM
IMO they should be put on the list. Just give us the tab and the recording.

Freepower
06-05-2006, 10:28 AM
It would be nice to see some substantiation.

Frankly, someone else claiming that a band claim that they can play 28nps doesnt equate to solid fact.

And tbh, if we are counting single string tapping then this list can just start worshipping hammet as a virtuoso, and then if we start counting crap like that i can get in above petrucci.

We have to have some standards, including slop and relative difficulty. If we're going to count sloppy, distorted mush, then i could pull out some crap i've done which certainly fits both criteria and then some, but it's fast enough.

Imo, they should be on the list, but it should be for something worthwhile. :)

Scorzerci
06-05-2006, 10:38 AM
I have a video of JP playing Glassgow kiss (which I'm uploading right now) and he guys incredibly fast ( to me it seems like more than 14 nps) at some points. The fastest I think is around 6:45ish. I'll edit this post or make a new post when it's finished uploading.

Resiliance
06-05-2006, 10:43 AM
I was just looking at one of my Guthrie DVD's again, and I never really thought about it, but he's definitely got some 20nps+ stuff in there... On difficult lines too.

I'll see if I can be bothered to figure it out though.

Freepower
06-05-2006, 10:47 AM
If anyone has GP5 to open the wonderful slippery thing tab, that'll do me. I dont know the tempo or note division, but if someone gives it to me...

Resiliance
06-05-2006, 10:49 AM
The parts I mean aren't in Wonderful Slippery Thing anyway... Why does everyone only seem to like that track?

I have GP5 :eek:

Not the gtp tab though.

Freepower
06-05-2006, 10:51 AM
I know, you silly thing. Its just that that was transcribed by guthries fair hand and only needs a tempo to be dead on accurate. :)

Its a fast lick, its popular, its easy for people to find. If you get anything faster, im more than happy, but its just convenient, no?

Resiliance
06-05-2006, 10:53 AM
Sure, but there's things ten times faster on there.

Edit: But if you so wish...

http://www.freewebs.com/deadferretconundrum2/guthriegovan.htm

I'm sure you had this already, just thought I'd mention it... I'm bored. Leave me alone.

The version I'm on about at NAMM sounds mighty different than the one on the page though... Mighty faster, at first glance :p:

Freepower
06-05-2006, 10:59 AM
Tempo! I NEED TEMPO!


(im averaging out the 14np beat, and the 10np beat, and the 12npb into 32nd note triplets, k?)

Resiliance
06-05-2006, 11:01 AM
Look at the start of the damn transcription, you mole :p:

But I doubt it's worth it, as on the transcribed version there's nothing remotely fast like he does on the DVD.

Freepower
06-05-2006, 11:05 AM
Je suis un retard tres grand.

Pardonez-moi, senor.

I'll see if i can get the dvd tempo off somewhere. Shouldnt be too much trouble...

Resiliance
06-05-2006, 11:07 AM
Yeah, no, it's not the tempo that's different... It's all the licks that are different :p:

Vous êtes un retard trés grand ;) .

Scorzerci
06-05-2006, 11:12 AM
http://rapidshare.de/files/11975501/_Live_Dream_Theater_John_Petrucci_-_G3_glasgowkisss.asf.html
JP vid

Freepower
06-05-2006, 11:16 AM
Lol, y'know, i knew the licks were different but i figgered that the tempo would be faster (he's live, dammit), so i figured out a bar length with the help of the transcription.

So, i did that, and got that a beat was 0.625 of a second. "Weirdly round number", I thought. So i checked the maths.

"Yup", I thought.

So, i divided 60/0.625 to see what the tempo was, and then i got exactly 96 bpm. EXACTLY.

I came here to laugh about it, and then i noticed this post. You're entirely right, the tempo is EXACTLY the same. You cunstard. :p:

Exsqueezy pleese, soy muy grande lucidad to tiene un amigo comme tu.

marc137
06-06-2006, 08:52 PM
wait I second if you strum down up down up in one second does that mean you just played 24nps :confused:

FrenchyFungus
06-06-2006, 08:55 PM
If you play all six strings once up, once down, once up, once down, yes, you have played 24 notes.

EDIT: I'm slowly beginning to grasp what you're asking. Yes, but it doesn't count here, cos you're not playing individual notes. And anyone can do that.

marc137
06-06-2006, 08:58 PM
If you play all six strings once up, once down, once up, once down, yes, you have played 24 notes.

EDIT: I'm slowly beginning to grasp what you're asking. Yes, but it doesn't count here, cos you're not playing individual notes. And anyone can do that.


lol what about fastest strummer anyone knows?

Freepower
06-06-2006, 09:01 PM
The thing is, we mean individual notes. We do have a set of reasonable standards of complexity in place. :)

willjay
06-07-2006, 09:13 AM
God i love doing this!!! :D ......feels great to put an end to a myth! :cool:


OK, i`ve said for a long time that the `so called 37 nps lick` from "Fred" by Allan Holdsworth is nowhere near 37 nps.... i knew it wasn`t even 18 notes per second. So, to put an end to all the speculation about that lick, i just clocked it!! :cool:


Here is the whole of that so called "37 notes per second" lick from the song `Fred` :
http://www.speedyshare.com/264114786.html


I cut the fastest part of that clip down to EXACTLY 1 second, here it is :
http://www.speedyshare.com/308766602.html


Here is that 1 second clip slowed down :
http://www.speedyshare.com/994491850.html


Count it for yourselves... that `so called` legendary "37 note per second" lick is actually just around 15 notes per second........ but.... i said all along.... :no: :p:


That`s what i really like about the way i clock picking speed, i create the 1 second clips and slow them down so that ANYONE can check them, you don`t have to just take my word for it! ;)



OK, now that i`ve got that one out the way........ would someone care to tell me the exact moment that Paul Gilbert is `apparently` playing at 20.5 nps in "Snakebite", and when Michael Amott from Arch Enemy is `apparently` playing at 19 nps during "Nemesis"?????.... I have both songs (now) so i`ll clock those accurately if i know the exact moment!


Ta Ta for now! :p:

Willie Jordan.

Freepower
06-07-2006, 10:04 AM
God i love doing this!!! :D ......feels great to put an end to a myth! :cool:


OK, i`ve said for a long time that the `so called 37 nps lick` from "Fred" by Allan Holdsworth is nowhere near 37 nps.... i knew it wasn`t even 18 notes per second. So, to put an end to all the speculation about that lick, i just clocked it!! :cool:


Here is the whole of that so called "37 notes per second" lick from the song `Fred` :
http://www.speedyshare.com/264114786.html


I cut the fastest part of that clip down to EXACTLY 1 second, here it is :
http://www.speedyshare.com/308766602.html


Here is that 1 second clip slowed down :
http://www.speedyshare.com/994491850.html


Count it for yourselves... that `so called` legendary "37 note per second" lick is actually just around 15 notes per second........ but.... i said all along.... :no: :p:


That`s what i really like about the way i clock picking speed, i create the 1 second clips and slow them down so that ANYONE can check them, you don`t have to just take my word for it! ;)



OK, now that i`ve got that one out the way........ would someone care to tell me the exact moment that Paul Gilbert is `apparently` playing at 20.5 nps in "Snakebite", and when Michael Amott from Arch Enemy is `apparently` playing at 19 nps during "Nemesis"?????.... I have both songs (now) so i`ll clock those accurately if i know the exact moment!


Ta Ta for now! :p:

Willie Jordan.

Good to have you back! I've been working with that holdsworth lick for a while, but willy - we dont count the notes in a second, we count the nps. The notes towards the end of that clip are definately a fair bit slower than the start. What do you use to slow down? Its far better than the random software i've been using.

I know its not 37nps, but i've been trying to find the fastest section and clock that.

The PG stuff is one the first solo of snakebite (its legato and sweeping), theres a few licks that are at that speed - but none which last a second. ;) If it's our list, im afraid it's gotta be our rules.

And i have no clue about Amott.

How do you count the notes in a given second, out of curiosity? Just as the problem with our transcription based method is in the transcription, do you not have problems with the manual counting of notes? Not trying to BS you off or anything, but if you get the fastest section of fred and then from there use the actual length of time to figure out the speed, that'd be great. Not that it's 37nps. Another piece of misinformation off the list...i'll update when you have the true speed. Thanks.

Oh, and i have shawn playing a lick of 6 + 9 in 0.735s, which is a neat trick - averages at 20.4nps (bearing in mind that theres a 6 and a 9, that makes the 6 roughly 16.32nps and the 9 roughly 24.5nps), if you want it, i'll send and PM you. I look forward to collaborating on this thread with you. :)

Dreadnought
06-07-2006, 10:54 AM
Someone wanna help me clock some of the sections that Hamm and Chuck play in Bite The Pain?

I've got the powertab here saying sextuplets at 176 bpm, which works out to about 17.6 nps, which Hamm holds for about 6 measures, and which Chuck hits a few times in some key licks.

BTW Chuck and Hamm are both insane guitarists :p:

Beckerism
06-07-2006, 01:05 PM
I'd also like to know what program Willjay used. I'd like to accurately figure out some Becker tabs. :)

scheck006
06-07-2006, 04:20 PM
has anyone clocked sonata arctica?

apocalypse13
06-07-2006, 04:43 PM
OK, now that i`ve got that one out the way........ would someone care to tell me the exact moment that Paul Gilbert is `apparently` playing at 20.5 nps in "Snakebite", and when Michael Amott from Arch Enemy is `apparently` playing at 19 nps during "Nemesis"?????.... I have both songs (now) so i`ll clock those accurately if i know the exact moment!
I can't say I've heard anything in that song that sounds like it'd be 19 nps. And I've listened to it a lot...

But what do I know, I could be wrong...

marc137
06-07-2006, 06:02 PM
OK, now that i`ve got that one out the way........ would someone care to tell me the exact moment that Paul Gilbert is `apparently` playing at 20.5 nps in "Snakebite", and when Michael Amott from Arch Enemy is `apparently` playing at 19 nps during "Nemesis"?????.... I have both songs (now) so i`ll clock those accurately if i know the exact moment!



Willie Jordan.

I don't know about snakebite or Nemesis but since you seem to have program that slows down song could you try slow down the Marcus paus song wich is right here http://fabienm.club.fr/paus/paus_mp3.html

I have no idea where is the exact part tho maybe 00:50-00:51

willjay
06-07-2006, 06:09 PM
I don't know about snakebite or Nemesis but since you seem to have program that slows down song could you try slow down the Marcus paus song wich is right here http://fabienm.club.fr/paus/paus_mp3.html

I have no idea where is the exact part tho maybe 00:50-00:51
I`ve already clocked every clockable moment from that track, AND from a few more Marcus Paus tracks that i have as well....... all those clips are in my `NPS Clocking Project`.
I spent at least 8 hours just in one day trying to find just a couple of seconds of Marcus`s fast playing that was accurate enough to clock, because most of his playing was so messy and innacurate that he wasn`t creating individual notes... his left and right hand were not at all in sync with each other.


Willie J.

Beckerism
06-07-2006, 08:48 PM
I`ve already clocked every clockable moment from that track, AND from a few more Marcus Paus tracks that i have as well....... all those clips are in my `NPS Clocking Project`.
I spent at least 8 hours just in one day trying to find just a couple of seconds of Marcus`s fast playing that was accurate enough to clock, because most of his playing was so messy and innacurate that he wasn`t creating individual notes... his left and right hand were not at all in sync with each other.


Willie J.

Several Paus tracks? I only knew of one. Upload them please. I would like to have my ears bleed. :p:

scheck006
06-08-2006, 01:41 AM
Jani from sonata arctica plays 16th note triplets at 180 in

"the power of one"

the time is about 7:55

Stratwizard
06-08-2006, 04:10 AM
^True dat! We've got 18 nps.

Evil_Empire24-7
06-08-2006, 05:01 AM
yeah please upload the several Marcus Paus tracks

willjay
06-08-2006, 05:10 AM
Several Paus tracks? I only knew of one. Upload them please. I would like to have my ears bleed. :p:
OK, but it wasn`t just Marcus Paus playing lead guitar on that track (and the others i have), it was Marcus and his friend `Hakon` (can`t remember his second name) trading solos.


Here are 3 tracks with Marcus Paus -

- Marcus Paus - Caspersens Secret Fetish (the one everyone has heard) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/173717607.html


- Marcus Paus - Hakon is an nincompoop :
http://www.speedyshare.com/476660288.html


- Marcus Paus - NIbbling Nancys nipple :
http://www.speedyshare.com/495829206.html




Also, to help me clock just Marcus Paus' guitar parts for my NPS Clocking Project, without getting confused with Hakon (who also plays on the tracks) i made edited versions with just Marcus' guitar parts for each track, here they are -


- Marcus Paus - Caspersens Secret Fetish - (Marcus Paus` guitar parts only) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/420894849.html


- Marcus Paus - Hakon is an nincompoop - (Marcus Paus` guitar part only) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/653960262.html


- Marcus Paus - NIbbling Nancys nipple - (Marcus Paus` guitar part only) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/447646756.html


Hope that helps a bit.


Willie J.

DropD_Todd
06-08-2006, 05:36 AM
Another thing to i reakon michael angelo batio getting 23.3 notes in no bounderies i reakon he can get faster then that someone try to clock something of his faster

willjay
06-08-2006, 06:09 AM
Jani from sonata arctica plays 16th note triplets at 180 in

"the power of one"

the time is about 7:55^True dat! We've got 18 nps.
That lick is not quite at 180 bpm, more like around 170 bpm.... so if it is reasonably accurate, that would be about 17 notes per second (in groups of six).

I don`t personally listen to the beat of the music....i listen only to the groupings the actual guitarist is playing... the reason i do that is because it can sometimes be slightly missleading, that the guitarist may not quite be keeping up with the speed of the song, but can `get away` with just playing a couple of groups of six, before people would notice that he is behind the beat.... whereas if he/she had kept going for a few more repetitions, maybe you would notice they were slightly behind the metronome setting of the actual song.

Anyway... i clocked that Sonata Arctica lick, here it is -


Here's the full fast picking lick :
http://www.speedyshare.com/280762377.html


Sonata Arctica - 1 second of fast picking (17 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/149693598.html


Sonata Arctica - 1 second of fast picking (slow) (17 nps) ver1 :
http://www.speedyshare.com/683354454.html


Sonata Arctica - 1 second of fast picking (slow) (17 nps) ver2 :
http://www.speedyshare.com/667978692.html


Willie Jordan.

Stratwizard
06-08-2006, 09:09 AM
About the Nemesis thing...

I'm not sure how accurate the GP file, but there Amott plays 16th note sextuplets at 190 for two bars. It's somewhere around 0:50.

willjay
06-08-2006, 09:55 AM
Oh, and i have shawn playing a lick of 6 + 9 in 0.735s, which is a neat trick - averages at 20.4nps (bearing in mind that theres a 6 and a 9, that makes the 6 roughly 16.32nps and the 9 roughly 24.5nps), if you want it, i'll send and PM you. I look forward to collaborating on this thread with you. :)Post that clip then and i`ll clock it with that `Willjay` accuracy! ;) ....but i suppose if it`s a Shawn Lane clip you have, the chances are that i`ll have it already somewhere.


but willie - we dont count the notes in a second, we count the nps.Do you know what NPS stands for then?? :rolleyes: ;)


I've been working with that holdsworth lick for a whileI worked on it for about an hour, and i clocked EVERY SECOND of that lick, creating Eight "1 second clips" that all overlap each other or meet up at some point within the lick, from the start of the lick to the finish. I haven`t left ANY moment of that fast lick unclocked!! ... So there's nowhere left for you to hide, within that lick, the possibility of "....it's in there somewhere, a moment of 30+ nps.... hidden away where no mortal ear can hear it.....". :p:


If it's our list, im afraid it's gotta be our rules. :rolleyes: Why does that not surprise me...... i only have 1 main rule/aim/intention when clocking clips, "to accurately clock the ACTUAL speed of the clip"!!.... Not just someone elses interpretation of what they think the person is playing!


The notes towards the end of that clip are definately a fair bit slower than the start.No they aren't, i`ve already clocked the fastest part of that clip, which was the end ascending run, at 15 notes per second.
In fact, most of that lick is actually only 12 notes per second, so you are waaaaaaay off!

How can you possibly go on record and say "The notes towards the end of that clip are definately a fair bit slower than the start" when you are obviously just guessing?

I know its not 37nps, but i've been trying to find the fastest section and clock that.I know it's not 37 nps too, i said all along it wasn't even 17 or 18 nps!

I've been studying/listening to lead guitar since i was about 10 years old (20 years ago), and have clocked enough fast guitar clips in the last 7 or so years to know that was nowhere near that speed. ;)
Anyway, like i said... i`ve already clocked the fastest part of that lick... and again, it was only 15 nps.

How do you count the notes in a given second, out of curiosity? Just as the problem with our transcription based method is in the transcription, do you not have problems with the manual counting of notes? Not trying to BS you off or anything, but if you get the fastest section of fred and then from there use the actual length of time to figure out the speed, that'd be great. Not that it's 37nps. Another piece of misinformation off the list
I`ve had loooaaads of practice doing this. I developed a couple of methods to clock picking speed.
One method i developed, then passed the idea all around the net a few years ago, was this one :

(I`ll copy and paste here part of my original post from a few years ago)

"Years ago i was messing around trying to work out speeds against a metronome using a calculator, when i stumbled across the fact that : because there are 60 seconds in a minute, then AS LONG as you are picking in groups of SIX to each beat of the metronome, then all you have to do to work out how many notes per second you are picking is divide the BPM speed you are playing to by 10 then that will tell you how many notes per second you are playing, but because it is so simple to work out you can do this instantly without a calculator! (remember, THIS ONLY WORKS when playing SIX notes to every beat!) Some examples of this are : 160 bpm would be 16 notes per second, 140 bpm would be 14 notes per second, 127 bpm would be 12.7 notes per second, 145 bpm would be 14.5 notes per second, 200 bpm would be 20 notes per second...... and so on!"


.....When i first posted that, i think people thought i was a wacko, but now i see people mention that method all over the guitar internet community, so it has caught on, because it's quick and simple, once you know how.

Well, that is one method, which allows you to work out picking speed in real time.

The other method i use is to cut a recording down to EXACTLY 1 second, which i always do from the start of a note.... slow it down...and count the notes in that second.

It`s quite straight forward to me, i`ve done it so much that it's now almost second nature to me. You guys try to make clocking speed waaay more complicated than it actually is. ;)

The reason i don't use the `transcription` method, like you guys do, is because that is what has led some people to make such ridiculous miscalculations about speed....being wrong by as many a 22 notes in a second, as is the case with this lick.... somehow mistaking a "12-15 nps" lick for being "37 nps".... who on earth could be wrong by that much??
So, no thanks, i`ll just stick to clocking the actual speed.

...i'll update when you have the true speed. Thanks.I`ve already given you the true speed, and proven the fastest part of that lick.... is 15 notes per second.



......... Ok, for those who still don`t believe me about the true speed of that so called "37 nps lick", i`ve dissected the lick into Eight "1 second clips". The lick only lasts for 7 seconds, so i cut it down into Eight `1 second` sections, so all the clips will overlap each other, from the start of the lick to the end of the lick, covering EVERY SINGLE moment in the lick.....and i have clocked every second of it.
Here are the results, you can all check for yourself.... and hopefully this post will end the urban legend myth of this lick!



For those of you with `WinRar`, i`ve packed all of these sound clips from "Fred" into 1 small file for you to unpack yourself if you like, here they are in 1 compact file : http://www.speedyshare.com/137674261.html


For everyone else, i'll post those sound files seperately here -


- Here is the whole so called "37 nps lick" from "Fred" :
http://www.speedyshare.com/988272203.html


- Here is the whole so called "37 nps lick" from "Fred" slowed down :
http://www.speedyshare.com/388217414.html



.... Now i'll divide that solo into 1 second clips, from start to finish!


- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 1 (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/869596919.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 1 (slow) (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/719249719.html



- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 2 (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/713392523.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 2 (slow) (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/780814480.html



- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 3 (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/978799588.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 3 (slow) (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/613539166.html



- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 4 (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/135909316.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 4 (slow) (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/787942120.html



- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 5 (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/493698724.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 5 (slow) (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/559316270.html



- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 6 (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/880669802.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 6 (slow) (12 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/283949995.html



- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 7 (13 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/149890286.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 7 (slow) (13 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/389199781.html



- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 8 (15 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/312976524.html

- Allan Holdsworth - 1 second of `Fred` lick, part 8 (slow) (15 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/129883693.html



.....So there you go...now ANY mere mortal can listen to, AND count the notes in every second of this lick, from start to finish!


This is the real speed of the lick from start to finish :

1st clip = 12 nps
2nd clip = 12 nps
3rd clip = 12 nps
4th clip = 12 nps
5th clip = 12 nps
6th clip = 12 nps
7th clip = 13 nps
8th clip = 15 nps


..... that is the whole lick from start to finish, so where is the "37 notes per second" part of it???


Well that's it, no more to debate about this clip... musically it's great, but "37 nps" it ain't!


Take care dudes! ;)


Willie Jordan.


PS. I hope i don`t have to go through all this to dissprove ALL the fake speed claims!!
Oh, and as for Joe Satriani at 33 nps..... no waaay....try half that. ;)

fa'q
06-08-2006, 10:11 AM
man this is like reading the petrucciforums hehe.....

Scorzerci
06-08-2006, 11:45 AM
Willjay- What program are you using to slow down the clips`?

scheck006
06-08-2006, 12:11 PM
yea I agree wtth that, I listened to it again and it's only sextuplets at 170.

17 nps. much faster than I can play right now :p:

Dreadnought
06-08-2006, 12:12 PM
Me first me first!

Willjay, can you verify the claim I made earlier about the speed in Bite The Pain, by Death?

I have both Chuck and Hamm reaching 17.6 (sextuplets at 175 bpm) at different parts in the song.

Hamm at... the whole section around 2:25
Chuck at... 2:57

willjay
06-08-2006, 12:46 PM
Willjay- What program are you using to slow down the clips`?
I use a few programs.


To slow audio clips down i mainly use 2 programs...... I use `Windows Sound Recorder` (which is already in Windows, just look for it)... that can slow things down, but it doesn`t keep the same pitch (though is still usefull) and it only works with `Wav` sound files.

I also use a great slow down program called `Transcribe`, which you can download from here : http://www.seventhstring.com/

I use `Wavepad` to convert the sound files from `Mp3 to Wav, back to mp3` etc. because you have to convert sound files to WAV to use them in `Windows Sound Recorder`, then convert them back to mp3 again so they take up less space when you upload them (Wav files are much bigger than mp3 files).


Then i upload them to http://www.speedyshare.com/


I sometimes find it usefull (depending on the sound quality of the original clip) to first slow a clip down using `Windows Sound Recorder` (to get a lower, thicker tone/pitch), and then slow it down the rest of the way using `Transcribe`. I`ve had to do that quite a few times with some sound clips where the lead tone was a bit too thin and tinny.


Hope that helps.

Willie J.

apocalypse13
06-08-2006, 01:03 PM
The accusations with Shawn and Rusty's 22+ still stand, correct?

Prophet of Page
06-08-2006, 01:54 PM
Just one question Will. You are aware that when you say a car is travelling 60km/h that the car might not actually do the 60km in an hour, its a measure of intantaneous speed. Hence, there is a difference between somebody saying Shawn Lane or whoever can play 25n/s, to any mathematician, that's an instantaneous rate, not the measure of the notes played in one second. So, I must ask, why are you so gung-ho about it being exactly a second long?

apocalypse13
06-08-2006, 01:56 PM
Yea, because someone could switch the note timings and play 25 nps for only like 2 notes.

Prophet of Page
06-08-2006, 01:58 PM
Yea, because someone could switch the note timings and play 25 nps for only like 2 notes.

And thats still playing 25n/s. It's a rate, not a measure of notes in a second.

Beckerism
06-08-2006, 02:17 PM
Yea, because someone could switch the note timings and play 25 nps for only like 2 notes.
At that rate, anyone can play over 50+nps. Just take a pick, and move it the most miniscule movement you can make. There you go, two notes, back to back, with hardly NO time between. But should that be on the list? No. As for that same concept on "Fred" I heard no TWO notes that were EXTREMELY close compared to the surrounding notes, meaning nothing would vary more than 3 nps.

Freepower
06-08-2006, 02:34 PM
^weirdly accurate, beckerism...

Do you know what NPS stands for then?? :rolleyes: ;)

Say in the first half of a second, i play 6 notes, and in the second half i play 12? Its an extreme example, but its what i was trying to get across...

"Notes in a second" is what you count, whereas "Notes PER second" is what we count.

Let me demonstrate, with your own last Allan Clip (thanks for the HQ version) -

First 2.4807s of clip = 6 notes

clip = 6.72s

1/6.72 = 0.1488

0.1488 x 2.4807 = 0.36915s of real time (in which 6 notes are played) = 16.25nps

There's an appreciable difference in speed, but i dont doubt that your notes in a second count is correct.


I worked on it for about an hour, and i clocked EVERY SECOND of that lick, creating Eight "1 second clips" that all overlap each other or meet up at some point within the lick, from the start of the lick to the finish. I haven`t left ANY moment of that fast lick unclocked!! ... So there's nowhere left for you to hide, within that lick, the possibility of "....it's in there somewhere, a moment of 30+ nps.... hidden away where no mortal ear can hear it.....". :p:

You could also say - "Allegedly, Allan just had a moment of brilliance, which claims he could never repeat again. Sadly, its not exactly clear, and not everyone really hears it, but if you listen real hard when its at half speed, you hear what would be normal ?fast? playing. Or you?re trying too hard and you?re fooling yourself. Its hard to tell, and it?s a fluke, so it?s a bit dodgy for the other list.

Note that that's in the "urban myth" section of the list. Im going to add a link to your first post when im done this post.

:rolleyes: Why does that not surprise me...... i only have 1 main rule/aim/intention when clocking clips, "to accurately clock the ACTUAL speed of the clip"!!.... Not just someone elses interpretation of what they think the person is playing!

Im not expecting you to get someone else's transcript and be a math monkey. Im just saying, if you want to get your results quoted, i want them to be done by the same standards as our list. You say that you dont believe in clocking sweeping or tapping compared to alternate picking, we dont mind (as long as it's acceptably difficult), and so on. Its not personal, but it would be silly to have parts of the list with one set of standards, and another with another set of standards. I have your alternate picking list in there and seperate for just that reason.


No they aren't, i`ve already clocked the fastest part of that clip, which was the end ascending run, at 15 notes per second.
In fact, most of that lick is actually only 12 notes per second, so you are waaaaaaay off!

How can you possibly go on record and say "The notes towards the end of that clip are definately a fair bit slower than the start" when you are obviously just guessing?

I dont dig this "you're just guessing" stuff, frankly.

First 2.4807s of clip = 6 notes

clip = 6.72s

1/6.72 = 0.1488

0.1488 x 2.4807 = 0.36915s of real time (in which 6 notes are played) = 16.25nps

Last 0.209064s of clip (very end) = 3 notes

0.1488 x 0.209064 = 0.209064 of real time (in which 3 notes are played) = 14.35nps

Thats why i can go on record and say that.

The reason i don't use the `transcription` method, like you guys do, is because that is what has led some people to make such ridiculous miscalculations about speed....being wrong by as many a 22 notes in a second, as is the case with this lick.... somehow mistaking a "12-15 nps" lick for being "37 nps".... who on earth could be wrong by that much??

So, no thanks, i`ll just stick to clocking the actual speed.

The case with this lick was that there was no transcript for me to look at, and only extremely low quality samples. It was easy to, as i've actually said on the first post, believe either way, from what we had to go on. I put it up in the urban legend category. :)

I`ve already given you the true speed, and proven the fastest part of that lick.... is 15 notes per second.

"How can you just go on record and say..."

PS. I hope i don`t have to go through all this to dissprove ALL the fake speed claims!!
Oh, and as for Joe Satriani at 33 nps..... no waaay....try half that. ;)

Eehhhhhhhh, tapping.... :p: Nah, its unlikely, but theres vibratory arm picking at 27nps, why not simple tapping at slightly higher? There's sweeping at that speed...or is there? That fareri run lasts a second or two, give it a look in for moi, would you?

Scorzerci
06-08-2006, 03:04 PM
I use a few programs.


To slow audio clips down i mainly use 2 programs...... I use `Windows Sound Recorder` (which is already in Windows, just look for it)... that can slow things down, but it doesn`t keep the same pitch (though is still usefull) and it only works with `Wav` sound files.

I also use a great slow down program called `Transcribe`, which you can download from here : http://www.seventhstring.com/

I use `Wavepad` to convert the sound files from `Mp3 to Wav, back to mp3` etc. because you have to convert sound files to WAV to use them in `Windows Sound Recorder`, then convert them back to mp3 again so they take up less space when you upload them (Wav files are much bigger than mp3 files).


Then i upload them to http://www.speedyshare.com/


I sometimes find it usefull (depending on the sound quality of the original clip) to first slow a clip down using `Windows Sound Recorder` (to get a lower, thicker tone/pitch), and then slow it down the rest of the way using `Transcribe`. I`ve had to do that quite a few times with some sound clips where the lead tone was a bit too thin and tinny.


Hope that helps.

Willie J.
:cheers:

Dreadnought
06-08-2006, 03:06 PM
You all suck for ignoring me :mad: BAAAAAAAAAN!!!

j/k, but I still stand by that one of the guitarists for Death hits 17.6 nps steadily for about 6 measures

Beckerism
06-08-2006, 03:17 PM
Either way, since that lick is nowhere near 37, I'd change it to 15-17. There is just no part of that lick where even TWO notes are that close enough.

Freepower
06-08-2006, 03:31 PM
Er, no-one said there was, once we got willie's sample. :)

It's already changed, btw, and has been for a while.

Beckerism
06-08-2006, 03:46 PM
Er, no-one said there was, once we got willie's sample. :)

It's already changed, btw, and has been for a while.

Good deal. :)

scheck006
06-08-2006, 03:47 PM
although I think that for something to count you should be able to hold that speed for at least a second. Is that too much to ask? I mean, when we measure the speed of an excersize, it's how fast you can play the whole thing through.

Beckerism
06-08-2006, 03:49 PM
Anywhere from a second to half a second sounds good to me. At such high speeds, say 30 nps, half a second is still 15 notes that are played at that speed. Anyways, FP, is hybrid the same as eco picking?