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ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:23 PM
The long awaited hardcore band of the month sorry no mp3s we couldnt find a host thanx to def for the tremendous amount of help for this

This is just about everything you need to know about hardcore to become a fan and if you are already a fan learn more about some bands or different sub-genres. so no more "What Is Hardcore" threads....

Hardcore Punk
(old school/true hardcore)

Black Flag

In many ways, Black Flag were the definitive Los Angeles hardcore punk band. Although their music flirted with heavy metal and experimental noise and jazz more than that of most hardcore bands, they defined the image and the aesthetic. Through their ceaseless touring, the band cultivated the American underground punk scene; every year, Black Flag played in every area of the U.S., influencing countless numbers of bands. Although their recording career was hampered by a draining lawsuit, which was followed by a seemingly endless stream of independently released records, the band was unquestionably one of the most influential American post-punk bands. A full decade and a half before the fusion of punk and metal became popular, Black Flag created a ferocious, edgy, and ironic amalgam of underground aesthetics and gut-pounding metal. Their lyrics alluded to social criticism and a political viewpoint, but it was all conveyed as seething, cynical angst, which was occasionally very funny. Furthermore, Black Flag demonstrated an affection for bohemia -- both in terms of musical experimentation and a fondness for poetry -- that reiterated the band's underground roots and prevented it from becoming nothing but a hardcore group. And it didn't matter who was in the band -- throughout the years, the lineup changed numerous times(tho they arent **** without rollins) -- because the Black Flag name and four-bar logo became punk institutions.(I didnt focus on the run ins with the law and such i didnt want that to be so closely associated for first time listeners).

Recommended listening: Rise Above
Website: http://www.ipass.net/~jthrush/rollflag.htm



Minor Threat

Minor Threat was the definitive Washington, D.C., hardcore punk band, setting the style for the straight-edge punk movement of the early '80s. Led by vocalist Ian MacKaye, the band was staunchly independent and fiercely sober. Through their songs, the group rejected drugs and alcohol, espoused anti-establishment politics, and led a call for self-awareness. Every song was fast, sharp, and lethal, often clocking in at just around a minute. Their speed and fury often hid their fairly catchy melodies, but the band's main function was to vent rage. Over the course of three years, Minor Threat released two EPs, one album, and several singles, all of which were quite popular in the American punk underground. Their records and concerts helped spawn straight-edge, an American punk lifestyle based on the group's intense, clean-living ideology. Following the disbandment of Minor Threat , MacKaye formed Fugazi , who became one of the more popular American indie rock bands of the late '80s and '90s.
The origins of Minor Threat lie in the Teen Idles, Ian MacKaye's first band. MacKaye formed the Teen Idles while he was attending Wilson High School in Washington, D.C., and after he graduated in 1980, he founded the Dischord record label with the intent of putting out his group's records through the label. Shortly after graduation, the Teen Idles had broken up and MacKaye had formed Minor Threat with former Idles drummer Jeff , former Government Issue bassist Brian Baker , and guitarist Lyle Preslar. By the end of the year, Minor Threat had released the singles "Minor Threat" and "Straight Edge," and had played many concerts along the East Coast. Throughout 1981, they followed this same pattern, playing a lot of concerts and releasing 7" singles. That year, they also released two EPs, Minor Threat and In My Eyes, both of which compiled their singles.in 982, bassist Baker ad left and was replaced by Steve Hansen Baker later played with the Meatmen, Junkyard and With Hansen on board, the group recorded their only full-length album, Out of Step. Upon its 1983 release, the album became popular within the underground and Minor Threat were becoming alternative stars, which didn't sit well with MacKaye. By the end of the year, he broke up the band. MacKaye and Nelson continued to run Dischord, which thrived well into the '90s. The pair also played together in another band, Egg Hunt. Following the disbandment of Egg Hunt , Nelson played with a variety of bands -- including Three and Senator Flux -- before devoting his energies to running Dischord. MacKaye played with Embrace , Skewbald , and Pailhead before forming Fugazi , who carried on the aesthetic, if not the sound, of Minor Threat .

Recommended listening: Straight Edge
Website: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/endall/



Dead Kennedys

The Dead Kennedys merged revolutionary politics with hardcore punk music and, in the process, became one of the defining hardcore bands. Often, they were more notable for their politics than their music, but that was part of their impact. The Kennedys were more inspired by British punk and the fiery, revolutionary-implied politics of the Sex Pistols than the artier tendencies of New York punk rockers. Under the direction of lead vocalist Jello Biafra , the Dead Kennedys became the most political and -- to the eyes of many observers, including Christians and right-wing politicians -- the most dangerous band in hardcore. By the mid-'80s, the band had become notorious enough to open themselves up to a prosecution for obscenity (concerning a poster inserted into their 1985 Frankenchrist album), and the ensuing court battle sped the band toward a breakup, but they left behind a legacy that influenced countless punk bands that followed.
The Dead Kennedys formed in 1978 in San Francisco when Biafra (vocals; born Eric Boucher ) and bassist Klaus Flouride responded to a magazine ad placed by guitarist East Bay Ray . Drummer Ted (born Bruce Slesinger ) joined soon after and the band played locally for the first two years of their career, occasionally venturing outside the Bay Area. Within a year, the band released their first independent single, "California Über Alles," an attack on the then-current governor, Jerry Brown. It was followed shortly afterward by their second single, "Holiday in Cambodia." In 1979, Biafra ran for mayor of San Francisco; he finished fourth. By this time, the band had become quite popular in both the American and British underground. Finally, in 1980, the band released their debut album, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables, on IRS Records. After its release, Ted left the band; he was replaced by drummer Darren H. Peligro .
Following the release of Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables, the Dead Kennedys formed their own independent record label, Alternative Tentacles, in 1981. The first release on the label was the Kennedys' EP, In God We Trust . That same year, the single "Too Drunk to ****" scraped the bottom of Britain's pop Top 40, despite being banned from airplay. In 1982, the Kennedys released their second full-length album, Plastic Surgery Disasters. After its release, the band took a hiatus, during which bandmembers -- most notably Klaus Flouride -- performed with various side projects. During that time, Alternative Tentacles began to establish itself as a major force in the American underground.
The Dead Kennedys returned in 1985 with Frankenchrist , which was the record that earned the band its greatest notoriety. Included with the album was a poster of the Swiss artist H.R. Giger 's Landscape #XX, a garish illustration of penises and anuses. A year after the release of the album, the Kennedys and Alternative Tentacles were prosecuted under revised Californian anti-obscenity laws for distributing pornography to minors because of the poster. For the next two years, the band was embroiled in a bitter legal battle, during which Biafra emerged as one of the most articulate advocates for free speech and vocal opponents of the PMRC. In the summer of 1987, the case ended with a hung jury and was dismissed.
Although the Dead Kennedys emerged victorious from the court battle, they didn't remain a band for much longer. Just before the prosecution began in 1986, the band released Bedtime for Democracy, which turned out to be their last official album. After the case was settled, the Kennedys split, releasing the posthumous compilation Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death in 1987. Biafra embarked on a solo career, releasing musical and spoken-word recordings sporadically over the next couple decades. Flouride returned to his fledgling solo career, releasing two albums in the late '80s and early '90s.

Recommended listening: Nazi Punks **** Off
Website: www.deadkennedys.com

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:24 PM
(New School)

Snapcase

Buffalo, New York-based hardcore quintet Snapcase comprised vocalist Daryl Tabreski, guitarists Scott Dressler and John Salemi, bassist Bob Whiteside and drummer Tom Edmond. After earning an enthusiastic fanbase among the hardcore community's revived straight-edge scene, the group signed to the Victory label and debuted in early 1995 with Lookinglasself ; Steps , their follow-up, appeared later that same year. In 1997, Snapcase issued their third LP, Progression Through Unlearning ; Designs for Automotion followed in early 2000. In 2002 they released End Transmission while the trademark hardcore sound is still apparent, Snapcase has gone to great lengths to evolve their musical approach into more of an artistic form as opposed to the traditional hardcore strappings found on their full-length debut, Lookinglasself , and later releases. This artistic approach feels natural; Snapcase has always been a band to encourage individuality, yet for newer fans this format could appear confusing.While this may be the case, End Transmission still has a steadfast determination that cannot be overlooked. As always, Snapcase 's greatest strength comes in the lyrical department, and this album delivers with compelling concepts surrounding a futuristic society. HAIL SNAPCASE!

Recommended listening: Typecast Modulator
Website: www.snapcase.com



Refused

The Swedish hardcore band Refused was formed in 1991 by vocalist Denni Lyxzén, guitarists Jon Brännström and Kristofer Steen , bassist Magnus Höggren and drummer David Sandström. Debuting in 1993 with the EP This Is the New Deal, the group issued the full-length This Just Might Be...the Truth later that same year. The Everlasting EP followed in 1994, and in 1995 Refused returned with another EP, Refused Loves Randy. After 1996's Fan the Flames of Discontent, they issued the EP Rather Be Dead; in the wake of completing 1998's The Shape of Punk to Come, Refused disbanded, unable to reconcile their anarchist leanings with a career in music.

Recommended listening: New Noise
Website: www.burningheart.com/bands/refused



Shai Hulud

Shai Hulud are arguably one of the hardcore scene's best groups, yet that title seems a bit too hasty considering they have only released one full length album. Hearts Once Nourished with Hope and Compassion is a fantastic album that succinctly wraps up what the late 90's hardcore scene has become, and provides nine songs that are all worthy of becoming anthems for the modern generation. Shai Hulud on the surface may appear to just be a batch of musicians overdosing on testosterone and anger, yet a glimpse at the lyrical content of this album will show something quite different. Blazing with intelligence, daring the listener to actually think, Shai Hulud prove that there is integrity amidst hardcore's abundance of intensity. Anyone half interested in finding out more about hardcore should be given Hearts Once Nourished... as their first lesson. While Shai Hulud may not have pioneered the genre, they certainly deserve recognition for releasing one of the genre's most exquisite masterpieces.(NFG guitarist left this amazing bang for nfg)

Recommended listening: My Heart Bleeds the Darkest Blood
Website: www.hulud.com

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:25 PM
Tough Guy Hardcore

Hatebreed

Hatebreed, one of the most well known hardcore bands out there, this band definetly deserves to be in this thread. One of the most influencial hardcore bands in this genre. This description seems to fit them really well:

Take the fierce energy of a hardcore band, add a touch of metal, and what you unleash is the perfect combination only known Hatebreed. Tired with the current state of heavy music in 95, singer Jamey Jasta wanted to ensemble a band that would hit everyone over the head and begin the awakening. Jamey states "that was the reason we started this, In Connecticut people considered Quicksand and Iceburn hardcore and I'm thinking no way this is indie rock. We wanted simple songs with simple song structures. All out brutality, 30 seconds and it is done."

Recommended Listening: I Will Be Heard
Website: www.hatebreed.com



Madball

Another band that?s commonly well known in the hardcore scene, NY?s Madball has allways been one of the leading bands in New York?s hardcore scene. Together with Agnostic Front, they?ve been the head of the american hardcore scene for years.

In-your-face n' off-the-streets: that's MADBALL. Spend some time 'round them and you'll know what makes this four-man wrecking ball tick. Freddy, Matt, Hoya and John: four distinct personalities who have honed their rage to a sound synonymous with the word Hardcore

Recommended Listening: Semper Fi
Website: www.madballnyhc.com



Agnostic Front

Agnostic Front, this is the first band that comes to mind when somebody asks me about tough guy hardcore or ?to the bone? hardcore.

NewYork City in the early 1980's, the punk rock scene
was breaking off into a new direction. The new vibe was
a heavier version of punk. It was angrier, louder, faster,
and more real. It had a raw street sound. This was
hardcore punk. The scene was small and tight knit, and
Agnostic Front was one of the pioneers of this new
music. In 1982 the "United Blood" EP was released.

From there, they evolved into a more tough/street orientated hardcore band, to the sound that makes them the epitome of tough-guy-hardcore to this day.

Recommended Listening: Gotta Go
Website: www.agnostic-front.com

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:25 PM
Metalcore

Caliban

Caliban is the most influencial metalcore band in Europe at this moment, founded back in 1997, releasing 3 cd?s, a split and featuring on numerous complications, their music found its many fans. Here?s a small article about them which shows how they got more commonly known.

After their tour in 1999 which brought them two several european countries(Belgium, Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland) they entered the studio to record their first full-length album "a small boy and a grey heaven" with producer Jens Schilling.
The record came out at the end of 1999 and got great reviews in big zines like "Legacy, Warschauer and Ox" to name a few.
After playing many awesome live-performances(GL NewYearsEve, Evil-Fest in London!) Caliban recorded four new songs to release a split with their buddies from "Heaven Shall Burn" which features both bands best work to date.
The new CD/LP entitled "Vent" will came out on april 9th. After that Caliban got the offer to fly over to Japan to play the Beast-Feast 2001 and share the stage with the gods of metal:Slayer. A two week us tour with Bloodjinn followed, but was stopped by the attacks in NYC. After that tour, Caliban played even more shows all around Europe, this summer they released their new cd called ?Shadow Hearts?

Recommended Listening: Assasin Of Love
Website: www.calibanmetal.com



Shadows Fall

Great American Metalcore band, had lost of influence in the american metalcore scene, even to this day, they started back in 1996, and sold many cd?s in both Europe and America, here?s an article about thier album:

Massachusetts' SHADOWS FALL are currently revolutionizing heavy metal rock music. New music "leaders" and "legends" seem to pop up just about every month now (thanks to most record labels' promotions departments), but what's staring you in the face will no doubt change the way you think about just how good a metal band can be. SHADOWS FALL not only bring together the BEST things that metal has ever had to offer, but they deliver their songs in a way that no other band ever has. The band's Century Media debut, Of One Blood, will in no doubt be the most welcomed and hailed new metal release of 2000. The members' individual talents will amaze every person who has the opportunity to witness their performance, and their songs will be loved by fans of Metallica's Master Of Puppets, Iron Maiden's Powerslave, Slayer's Seasons In The Abyss, Hatebreed's Satisfaction Is The Death Of Desire and In Flames' Whoracle. For each vocal growl there is also a note that is sang, and each fast guitar riff has a note structure that broadens it into something more special. Of One Blood is an album that knows no boundaries...

Recommended Listening: Of One Blood
Website: www.shadowsfall.com



Killswitch Engage

Kilswitch Engage is a band which can?t be described with a few words, but I found a good review that put my thoughts about this band in words:

Killswitch debuted as an opener for In Flames, and judging from the early reaction, has apparantly hit a nerve. Their self-titled first LP is the result of four consummate creators fusing their talents to produce a record of breathtaking originality and sophistication. Those familiar with the band member's prior projects will be pleasantly surprised by the precision and ferocity of Killswitch Engage, as well as the unexpected dose of vocal melodicism. The album was engineered by drummer Dutkiewicz at Zing studios in Westfield, Massachusetts. The music is technical, energetic and passionate. The lyrics represent a refreshing departure from the obvious.
"Killswitch Engage" is a monster debut, a classic piece of metal ear candy, that is destined to become a "must have" milestone record in the CD collection of every serious hardcore/metal fan.

Recommended Listening: My last serenade
Website: www.killswitchengage.com

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:26 PM
Straight Edge Hardcore

Earth Crisis

Earth Crisis is a band from Syracuse, NY. They were formed in 1989 when Karl Buechner and some straight edge friends of his decided to get together and play hard music with politically edged lyrics. Karl was then playing bass, and DJ Rose (current singer in project band Path of Resistance) sang. In 1992, upon the release of the bands first EP "All Out War", and after some line-up changes had occurred, a huge vegan/straightedge scene was beginning to arise in Syracuse, and this movement instigated by Earth Crisis was something that later spread globally. When the band released their first and second full-lengths, Destroy The Machines and Gomorrah's Season Ends, mainstream America started open their eyes for the band. The group was featured on CBS and MTV. Karl also got to speak about drug abuse in front of a congress panel. The band released "Breed The Killers" in September 1998 on Roadrunner Records, Earth Crisis remains to be one of the most influencial band in the Straight Edge Hardcore Scene. In Europe they?ve played a few tours with Europe?s xMaroonx, making the band even more commonly known in Europe.

Recommended Listening: Firestorm
Website: www.earthcrisis.cc



xDisciplex a.d.

xDisciplex A.D. is a Christian straight edge hardcore band with loads of heavy riffs and some insane double-bass drumming. The vocals are incredible. Some say they are the best hardcore band around. Ofcourse that?s fairly relative, but they?re definetly top-knotch in their genre.

Recommended Listening: Fight to the Death
Website: www.hxc.com/xdisciplex



xShockwavex

Shockwave is a band that started out in Erie, PA, one of the most violent sounding hardcore bands ever.
This band mixes brutal lyrics with a violent blend of hardcore and metal, powerfull sounding moshparts, awsome breakdowns, one of my favorite hardcore bands, not too well known in America, but since Goodlife recordings took over their cd stuff in Europe, they?ve made quite a name for themselves here.

Recommended Listening: Merge for the Kill
Website: www.hxc.com/shockwave

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:27 PM
Emocore

I, really dont know much about the history of emocore or know when it originated and where, but i do know tons of emocore bands and listen to them on a regular basis, first band is Boy Sets Fire. Call them what you will they stray along the lines of progressive hardcore and emocore. 2nd band is Thursday, a band from the budding new jersey emocore scene which gaves us bands liek Taking Back Sunday and My Chemical Romance as well as helping Glassjaw's and Poison the Well's music career's.Thursday is just about my favorite band very original and with such insightful lyrics and beautiful melodic guitar lines while still being hardcore, they are truly a great band(they dont like being called emocore but meh..its where they fit best). And last but not least is Glassjaw, a band from long island who got signed to roadrunner records(of all labels) and really wasnt pushed enough by them but they still had a loyal cult following and then by the time they released Worship and Tribute they were on MTV, MTV2, Much Music as well as being featured on Aol Sessions.



BoySetsFire

Boy Sets Fire was formed in Delaware in 1994 by singer Nathan Gray, guitarists Joshua Latshaw and Chad Istvan , bassist Darrell Hyde and drummer Matt Krupanski. Self-releasing their debut single "Consider" in 1995, the group soon resurfaced with a split release with Jazz Man 's Needle, winning acclaim not only for the intensity of their live dates but also the intensity of their political convictions. Boy Sets Fire's debut full-length The Day the Sun Went Out followed in 1997, with a split single with Snapcase preceding the 1999 release of In Chrysalis . Bassist Rob Avery replaced Hyde for 2000's After the Eulogy, the band's first release for new label Victory Records. This Crying, This Screaming, My Voice Is Being Born was released later that summer. Sucker Punch was issued in early 2001. Boy Sets Fire left Victory for the major label Wind-Up in 2002, and quickly released the Live For Today EP as an introduction. It featured four new tracks and two live recordings. Next, they entered the studio with producer Dave Fortman to record their full-length Wind-Up debut. Tomorrow Come Today arrived in April 2003, and featured a marked progression towards a more accessible sound. However, the new direction didn't lessen Boy Sets Fire's fiery political convictions in the least. The album included an incendiary political rant on its inside flap, and controversial lyrics that rankled some uptight religious groups.

Recommended listening: Bathory's Sainthood
Website: www.boysetsfire.com/



Thursday

Thursday first got together in 1998 in New Brunswick, NJ. Embodying the crew were five longtime friends: Geoff Rickly (vocals), Tom Keeley (guitar), Steve Pedulla (guitar), Tim Payne (bass), and drummer Tucker Rule . Creating compelling and strong emotional themes driven on hardcore's tuneful selections, Thursday started gathering a solid and faithful fan base through the local music scene. Sharing the stage with bands such as At the Drive-In and Boy Sets Fire at their first shows, Thursday created a wild, but distinguished, reputation way beyond their state. In 1999, the squad signed their first recording deal with New York's Eyeball Records, delivering their first album, Waiting , in that same year. Two years later, Full Collapse, the team's second full-length, hit the record stores in 2001 through Victory Records and in 2002 they released a 5 song E.P with one new track entitled Jet Black New Year(one of my personal faves). Due to differences with Thursday and the record company[Victory] they are now signed to Island Def Jam and are currently working on thier new album.Thursday displays a peerless version of the emo sound for a music scene that may not be ready for what the band has to offer. Full Collapse starts out with a warm, daydreamt piece, "Understanding in a Car Crash," that might give listeners a feeling that they are listening to a more modern, upbeat version of the Cure. While generating intelligent music, Thursday does its best to skirt the line of emo-pop without being unexciting or blasé. The key to this possibility lies behind the music that Thursday creates. Lead singer Geoff Rickly's vocals are smooth yet not immature, strong while not being overbearing. Icy sharp backup screams catch the listener off guard. The melodic-to-crunchy guitars followed by the well-engineered drum sound and rhythmic bass only add to the fray.The release of Thursday 's Five Stories Falling EP offered a convincing argument for the New Brunswick, NJ, band's status as true comers in the hardcore rock hierarchy and unequivocally proved their mastery at creating tumultuous, anthemic emo-rock, built upon a fiercely confrontational affront and a melodic subtextual base.

Recommended listening: I Am The Killer
Website: www.thursday.net


Glassjaw

Long Island, NY-based progressive hardcore band Glassjaw was formed by singer Daryl Palumbo and guitarist Justin Beck, longtime friends who began collaborating as teens. Roster changes regularly plagued the group during its formative years, with guitarist Todd N. Weinstock, bassist Manuel Carrero, and drummer Sammy Siegler completing the lineup for Glassjaw's 2000 debut album, Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence. Siegler was replaced by ex-Orange 9MM drummer Larry Gorman for the band's summer tour in support of the Deftones. In 2002
Glassjaw changes personnel slightly and moves up to major label Warner Bros. Records from Roadrunner for its second album, Worship and Tribute. But the band's musical approach remains the same, which is to say it is a showcase for lead singer and lyricist Daryl Palumbo. Palumbo, like his greatest influence, Perry Farrell of Jane's Addiction, wants to use the rock format as a soapbox for his views. While the band tries to work up a head of steam, pummeling and roaring through conventional hardcore passages, Palumbo interrupts the flow with a series of alternate strategies. "We are the most impassioned ugly people," he declares in "Cosmopolitan Bloodloss," and he justifies that statement in terms not always so articulate in his other lyrics. Disaffected from the complexities of life, he is not so much enraged as bitterly amused, and he responds by repeating puns (e.g., "Denial is a river in Egypt," in "Trailer Park Jesus") or quoting his influences ("Life is such a ball/I run the world from City Hall," sung in "The Gillette Cavalcade of Sports," is a line from Frank Zappa . This is, perhaps, the worship and tribute he has in mind. Musically, the group shows far more versatility than most of its metal peers, perfectly willing to slow the tempo, replicate the sound of a field recording, or let Palumbo pretend to be a sports announcer if he likes. And that helps make them more interesting than their metal peers. Glassjaw can pound it out like the best of them, but the fun comes in never knowing what variation the band will throw in next.

Recommended listening: Pretty Lush
Website: www.glassjaw.com

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:27 PM
Screamo


To be honest, its not clearly defined. Thats how most genres of music are though. Some other names for it are...
emo-violence
screamo-violence
emo-screamo
hardcore emo



Converge

Incredibly prolific emo-metal-punk road dogs Converge managed to issued more than two dozen albums in the first eight years of their existence as a band. A quartet consisting of Jacob Bannon, Kurt Ballow, Nate Newton and John DiGiorgio, the band also found time to lend out memberst to various side projects, including Kingdom of the Sun, Old Man Gloom and Kid Kilowatt (the short-lived band that also included members of Cave In ). Trudging along, the band during that time played over 600 shows with varying success -- their hard work made it possible for them to retain their cult status within the punk underground without the kind of commercial success that has vaulted other punk bands into the middle of alternative rock radio and press.

Recommended listening: Fault and Fracture
Website: www.convergecult.com


Dillinger Escape Plan

The Dillinger Escape Plan creates maniacally intense, crushingly metallic, and decidedly hardcore punk-infused jazz time-signature invoking compositions displaying an unparalleled musical bravery, precision musicianship, meticulously thought-out, and complex structuring and rigorous physical endurance. The band's guitarists and drummer are regular features in publications geared toward the guitar and drum-playing set. The depth of extremity and mental challenge presented by their music virtually defies description, at once recalling the mind-wandering spirit of MahavishnuOrchestra, the complex heavy metal of later-era Death, Cynic's solitary death metal achievement, and the progressive hard rock of Rush. Their performances bring to mind the anarchic charge of early Guns N' Roses shows, and the sophistication that drives their craft should awe fans of classy art rock bands like Radiohead.
The beginning of the Dillinger Escape Plan can be traced back to a relatively average hardcore band called Arcane, which during its last performance featured vocalist Dimitri Minakakis, guitarists Ben Wienman and Derrick Brantley, drummer Chris Pennie, and then fill-in bassist Adam Doll. The band played two shows with this lineup under the name Dillinger Escape Plan, before Brantley exited the group. They next recorded a demo, which a then new label called Now or Never Records offered to release on CD. New guitarist John Fulton was recruited shortly before the band's first tour. Dillinger Escape Plan's frenetic, intense, and sometimes violently spastic performances became the talk of the hardcore scene. Relapse Records representatives heard about a particularly engaging performance at Philadelphia's Stalag 13 and went to see them at another PA gig. Soon after, a multi-record deal was inked. Fulton left the band shortly before the 1998 release of the band's debut EP for the label, Under the Running Board, on which Weinman handled all guitar duties. The three-song teaser built up anticipation for their 1999 debut full-length record, Calculating Infinity, a jaw-droppingly intense, mathematical, and inspired opus of immense technical proportion. Before the record was made, Doll was involved in a serious car accident that resulted in him being partially paralyzed and unable to continue recording or performing with the band. Around the same time, Jesuit guitarist Brian Benoit joined the band, replacing Fulton. The album was a smash success in the underground, igniting a succession of imitators and accolades from the underground and more mainstream press alike. Calculating Infinity also garnered the attention of former Faith No More vocalist Mike Patton, who, after seeing a videotape of the band in action, invited them to come out on the road supporting his avante-garde act Mr. Bungle. The band enlisted former M.O.D. bassist and fellow New Jersey native Jeff Wood as temporary touring help. Following the Mr. Bungle tour, Dillinger Escape Plan embarked upon a long string of headlining dates and co-headlining shows with Candiria, trekking back and forth around the United States. Their live shows became increasingly intense, incorporating samples, a light show, fireworks, and, at one time, a fire breather. After several months of heavy duty road work, including notable festival appearances on the Warped Tour and March Metal Meltdown, the group relieved Wood -- who continued to front his own Shat project -- of his duties, enlisting a more permanent replacement for Doll in the form of a Philly resident named Liam. 2000 saw Now or Never re-release the band's self-titled record with bonus tracks. Sometime after a trip to Europe with their friends in Botch, the Dillinger Escape Plan parted ways with Minakakis. They played a few shows as an instrumental act and a couple of final shows with Minakakis, one as part of Japan's Beast Feast Festival and another near their hometown. After that, they embarked on a nationwide search for the singer's replacement via their website, putting up a vocal-less version of the song "43% Burnt" and asking prospective hopefuls to download it, record their own singing, and send it to the group. While collecting CD-R's from fans and wannabe singers, the Dillingers stayed busy, recording two songs for a Black Flag tribute album, a new EP's worth of material (which Patton agreed to sing on), and playing Krazy Fest in Louisville, KY, with friend and Coalesce vocalist Sean Ingram guesting. In late 2001, the group met with a singer named Greg Puciato who had greatly impressed them with his CD-R submission. After two practices, they offered him the job and he graciously accepted. He made his debut appearance with the band at the 2001 CMJ Music Festival in New York City. His hulking physical presence and spot-on screaming won over fans as they embarked upon a national headlining tour, which was cut short when System of a Down offered to bring the group over to Europe in the spring of 2002.(my personal fave screamo classed band :)

Recommended listening: Sandbox Magician
Website: www.dillingerescapeplan.com



Saetia

it's unfortunate that they have been not a band for more than two years now. This retrospective covers the ground with cold hardwood floors and bright spotlights on ourselves. Everything is melodramatic, but feels sincere. The souls ripping through the shattered throats, the hammered instruments, the torn threadsÉ
Thier songs are dynamic, no strangers to intense building up of guitar, descending to a pause to spell it all out, only to crash down on the floor with all the power that can be mustered while not losing a beat to sloppiness. Songs that sound anthemic at times, but would be difficult to sing along to due to an overall lack of chorus. Saetia bring out some of the most intense art. Often times, it's overly self-indulgent and completely alienating. Other times, it conveys a picture that we can relate to and that brings us closer to feeling involved with the human experience. "It's better to be stepped on than left all alone..."

Recommended listening: An Open Letter
Website: www.level-plane.com/saetia/

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:28 PM
Christian Hardcore


ZAO

In the last 3 years Zao has broken every rule pertaining to heavy music. Whether they are playing with bands like Sick of it All and Earth Crisis or Napalm Death and Nile, Zao has never bowed to one particular genre by letting their music be toe tagged a certain style. Using sheer aggression as their calling card, Zao has been winning fans with their intense live shows and dark poetic lyrics.
The evolution of Zao began a few years ago with 4 friends sharing a belief and love for hardcore. Since that time Zao has fine tuned and redefined themselves. The band's first release for Solid State was 1997's "Splinter Shards the Birth of Separation", this record garnered the band critical acclaim and drew on the hardcore following the band was already building. Few could anticipate the direction the band took when "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" was released in 1998. Blurring the lines that separated the hardcore and metal community, Zao created an album so heavy and devastating that Kerrang gave them 4 out of 5 K's...a tremendous feat for a relatively unknown band.
"Liberate te ex inferis", the band's new record, takes over where last year's "Where Blood and Fire" left off. Adding new guitarist Scott Melinger and bass player Rob Horner, Zao has once again made a record that will smash all preconceived notions about who they really are. "Liberate te ex inferis" was recorded at Poynter Studios in Little Rock AR, the same studio that created "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" and other incredible bands such as Living Sacrifice, N.I.V., Burned Up Bled Dry, Stretch Arm Strong and others

Recommended Listening: PS77
Website: http://www.solidstaterecords.com/bands/zao/



Norma Jean (former Luti-Kriss)

Norma Jean is the band formerly known as Luti-Kriss, the reason for this name change was a local rapper called Ludacris or something, but the band didn?t change. Untill a little while ago when 2 bandmember left Norma Jean. Replacement has been found though. A little article about this great band:

Formed in 1997 in a suburban garage just outside Atlanta, Georgia, this quintet knew something was looming on the horizon for them. "We have all been best friends since before the band started," Daniel adds. "The band has been a natural result of our experiences and spiritual growth as friends." Not long after their initial inception, the band built a reputation with their desperately spasmodic and energetic live shows. "The live show is like the most chaotic episode of 'Romper Room' you've ever seen. Josh (our vocalist) is like Elvis with violent seizure attacks. The rest of the band has had to tone it down because we weren't able to finish tours-due to every single piece of gear getting broken during our shows." Building on this reputation, they soon found themselves sharing the stage with the likes of P.O.D., Embodyment, Blindside, Zao, and Project 86.

This band has been my favorite christian hardcore band for years, if you have the chance to check them out, don?t hestitate, go. But watch out for guitars and other things flying towards your from off the stage, their live show is incredible, chaotic, energetic, loud, I can?t describe it with a few words, just go and see them for yourself!

Recommended Listening: Black Smith
Website: www.solidstaterecords.com/bands



Selfmindead

Selfmindead, an energetic band with deep lyrics, inspired by many metal bands, you can definetly say that they do have their own style, theres nothing like Selfmindead.

SELFMINDEAD-started as a four piece band with the original members..Tapani-bass, Ilkka vocals, Marko-drums and Timo-guitar. They started to practice at the local "band house" in Eskilstuna Sweden, finally they got songs enough to play their first show, that was at bruket a local club wich held shows for refused, mindjive etc.etc. the show was held 29-12-94 with some local bands. The year of 95 became a good year for SELFMINDEAD. The local music/culture people was hosting a annual contest for new and upcoming bands. SELFMINDEAD then recorded a demo to try to enter the contest with no hopes at all to even compete. It turned out that they won the contest amongst 50 or so bands, the first price was a recording of a cd-single with 3 songs. The single was recorded at Studio Underground in Eskilstuna. This was the very first time the band went to a studio session, the single was produced, recorded and mixed by micke an the band. After the release of the single the band got out and played a lot more. The first show outside of the hometown was held on a parkinglot in mullsjo in the south/western part of sweden, with some local bands. Then the band hooked up with some people in Stockholm who did shows for local and unsigned bands. The first show in Stockholm was with BLINDSIDE. After a while the band recorded a demo which they sent a number of record companies. The band got a positive response from a lot of companies but they chose to do the first recording for SOULSCAPE RECORDS SWEDEN , which was recorded in may 97 at Studio Berghem, produced, recorded and mixed by Mick Nordstrom (happy unemployed) and the band. before this recording the band recorded a promo 7" with 3 songs ("3", "fuel stop" and a cover of starflyer 59's "hazel would" The record was first released through soulscape in scandinavia and later next year by solidstaterecords in the U.S. The record got a good response through radio and TV play in EUROPE and the U.S. The band has made trips to Germany, Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. these trips were done as a four-piece

In March 2003, the band broke up, now forming a new band with a few of the older members, called Benea Reach, Selfmindead released 2 cd?s, their latest At The Barricades We Fall was a great succes throughout Europe. Selfmindead played shows with Mesuggah, and many other big names, Extol?s guitarist also joined Selfmindead for half a year, but has stepped down in March 2003, as a result the whole band split up.

Recommended Listening: One Step Foreward
Website: www.selfmindead.com

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:28 PM
Rapcore


Downset

Los Angeles? finest Downset have stunned everybody when they came back a while ago with a new cd, ??Check your people??
This band didn?t feel the need to turn up on MTV and turned down several request for tv-clips and festivals, they?re alive because of the underground and they want to stay that way. This attitude didn?t get them famous, however they did build up a group of dedicated fans. Downset toured America several times and every couple of years they plan a tour in Europe. With their new cd out I had the chance to see them live with .Calibre, it was a great show. However Rey (their vocalist) was having problems with his voice, it was an amazing experience.

Their sound can be described as Agressive rapcore with influences from metal, a powerfull mix worth listening too.

Recommended Listening: Empower
Website: www.downset.com



Biohazard

Rapcore in its purest form, Harcore and rap combined in a violent way, Biohazard is definetly the most well known Rapcore band out there.

Emerging from the ashes of the Brooklyn, NY underground comes Biohazard
(Evan Seinfeld - bass/vocals, Bill Graziadei - guitar/vocals, Danny Schuler - drums, Carmine Vincent - guitar), pioneers of a blend of musical styles that have taken the mainstream by storm, blazing the way for today's most popular hard-core musicgroups. Biohazard was one of the first to fuse the bone-crunching power of hardcore and metal with the social commentary and street sensibility of rap and have endured over a decade of musical, social and personal change to establish themselves as the true leaders of a musical revolution.
Born in 1988 out of a love for hard-core and an instinct for escaping the lure of the streets, Biohazard chose music over the downward spiral of drugs and violence lurking in the troublesome neighborhoods around them. Inspired by (but not limited to): Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Run DMC, Bad brains, Judas Priest, Cro-Mags, Public Enemy, The Ramones, Agnostic Front, pre-house and hip-hop, the band set out to create a musical hybrid that would transcend easy categorization and not be bound by limitation.

Recommended Listening: Wrong side of the tracks
Website: www.biohazard.com

ibledonstages
05-05-2003, 06:29 PM
Progressive Hardcore


While most of the bands discussed in this thread are on the progressive side these are the truly progressive bands, it may be even a stretch to call them hardcore....


At the Drive In

Combining emotional melodies and an upbeat rhythm moving at an unpredictable rate, At the Drive-In definitely stuck out in their hometown El Paso, TX. Formed in early 1994, the group debuted soon after with their first EP, Hell Paso, followed by a brief tour across the Lone Star state. With a line-up secured around Cedric Bixler (vocals), Omar Rodriguez and Jim Ward (guitar), Paul Hinojos (bass) and Tony Hajjar (drums), At the Drive-In continued on with a second EP (Alfaro Vive, Carajo) and toured mostly empty houses and clubs across the western United States. A small gig in Los Angeles -- with an audience consisting of only nine people -- somehow got the attention of Flipside Records, who released the band's first full-length Acrobatic Tenement in 1996. With constant energy and a stubborn enthuasism to continue, At the Drive-In began to develop an audience, helped out by constant touring and word-of-mouth hype. Their 1997 follow-up EP El Gran Orgo had more of a melodic bite, but their musical depth and originality still remained. In Casino Out followed in 1998, and 2000 saw the release of Relationship of Command. After the band went on indefinite hiatus in 2001, Bixler and Rodriguez formed the Mars Volta, while Ward, Hajjar, and Hinojos moved on to Sparta

Recommended Listening: One Arm Scissor
Website: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/manicz/



Dredg

The sliver-haired woman with the straw hat and oversized sunglasses is in bliss. Drifting slowly down Main Street, past the historic gold rush hotels and countless storefronts selling handicrafts, she joins a group of people who are watching a troupe of jugglers prance around, hurling bowling pins and various kitchen utensils every which way.
This is downtown Los Gatos. The local icon is a pair of twin cats. Nothing good ever happens here.
Then again, sometimes it does. This small Northern California community, wedged midway between the silicon sprawl of San Jose and green rolling hills of Santa Cruz, is where the members of Dredg grew up, went to school, learned to play their instruments, gravitated toward each other, got drunk, discovered mind-expanding artists like Sepultura and Pink Floyd and Miles Davis, dreamt, came of age, made a lot of noise, and, in due time, became the most captivating and possibly most important new band to emerge out of nowhere.
That is not empty hyperbole. Together for nearly a decade, singer Gavin Hayes, guitarist Mark Engles, bassist Drew Roulette and drummer/keyboardist Dino Campanella have invested an inordinate amount of concentration into shaping their intense and strangely melodic sound. The evolution has not always been pretty, but once the band gained its balance, Dredg's sound matured beyond all recognition.
In just a few years, the stoic quartet went from the noisy bombast of 1997's Orph EP to the full-fledged audio panorama of 1999's 10-track concept album Leitmotif (which got a proper release by Interscope last year). Soaring guitars gave way to delicately plucked mandolins. Garbled lyrics yielded to deep, intricate prose. Anger turned to inspiration.
But the conclusive evidence of Dredg's wide-screen ambition is to be found on its forthcoming cinematic major label debut, El Cielo - its most tunefully captivating and sonically devastating work to date.
Recorded primarily at George Lucas' cavernous Skywalker Ranch Studios in the scenic Marin hills just north of San Francisco, the band found the perfect creative environment for its organic, expansive music. "There were no distractions," Engles says. "You walk out of the studio and there's deer running around lakes and vineyards. It's just a beautiful atmosphere." The endless big blue sky and vast terrain undoubtedly contributed to the fluid hour-long musical journey El Cielo navigates, with dreamy instrumental passages joining the songs together in a continuous mix.
A select list of producers - including Ron St. Germain (Tool, Creed), Tim Palmer (U2, Pearl Jam), and Jim Scott (Red Hot Chili Peppers) - helped the band further cultivate its pluralist vision. "We wanted to work with different collaborators because we wanted diversity," Hayes says. "We don't fit in a box. We don't like it when every song on an album sounds the same - same guitar tone, same drum sound. It starts to sound like the same song over and over. By no means did we want to make a standard album."
Success. El Cielo is a record that sounds nothing like any record you've heard before. There are drum circles, Bulgarian chants, broken thrift store trumpet solos, drum 'n' bass inspired breaks, strings, dulcimers, bouncing satellite dishes, celestial sound effects, Latin rhythms and lyrics about the subconscious mind. In lesser hands it would sound like the end of the world. But here, on breathtaking tracks like "Of The Room" and "18 People Live in Harmony," everything has its place. "Our songs are like abstract paintings," Campanella says.
"But we still love melody," Roulette adds. "We still love good lyrics. Just because we want to be different doesn't mean we want to be impossible. We take our oddities and mix them with something people can relate to, coming up with our own sound."
The band has already seen its extensive risk-taking pay off in small ways. An early demo put Dredg in heavy rotation on Boston radio, inspiring a landslide of effusive fan letters from complete strangers. The re-release of Leitmotif earned Dredg an opening slot on Alien Ant Farm?s European tour last year. And a series of homemade websites have popped up as early markers of escalating interest in the band.
Typical of the praise the band is inspiring, Shoutweb.com cited them as one of the primary bands to watch in 2002, enthusing, "Like Nirvana destroyed the heartless hair metal sludge of the 1980s, Dredg will deal a serious blow to the current era of commercialized rap-rock. Dredg have the potential to be one of the most important bands of our time."
The feeling must be contagious, for even the readers of the local Los Gatos newsweekly recently declared Dredg the best local band. Sure, the closest competition may be the accordion quartet in front of the Main Street ice cream shop, but as avid students of the serendipity espoused by The Celestine Prophesy, even the members of Dredg must know this is the most reassuring sign of their imminent success.
"The designation as Los Gatos' finest might seem a little small for Dredg," the article reads. "But locals refuse to let go of their favorite sons."

Recommended Listening: Same ol' Road
Website: www.dredg.com



Praise Worship and Live by all of these bands

Monty
05-05-2003, 06:35 PM
Wow, havn't read it all yet but great job ry. :cheers: (might do something for punk forum also) Checked out the metalcore bands (love this genre) but hardcore punk will always be my fav (black flag, minor threat, Shai Hulud :headbang: ) Great job to Ry and Def.... cheers, i'll read the full thing later :cheers:

EDIT: Black Flag Link doesn't work ;)

psycho_avatar
05-05-2003, 07:09 PM
Yeah, wow....that is the most impressive list I've seen in a long time! You guys really outdone yourselves....good job :)

I'll start reading it now :D

:cheers:

Such The Fool
05-06-2003, 03:24 AM
Ok dude that was well worth waiting for, I have alot of bands to listen to over the next few days (Although I heard of all the Emocore and Metalcore ones)

Very good job on this one

*Def*
05-06-2003, 05:00 AM
Damn I know it was 8 pages in word, but reading it here, lol its a lot! Great stuff Ry, I hope we'll get a host for the MP3's since we also have those... beh..

if someone has webspace for us... contact ry...

This could probably turn out to be a FAQ, anyways, it's great, I only see great bands here :D and I did my fav genres :D

rock on! :headbang:

benjmc
05-06-2003, 02:37 PM
Hmm...this is really impressive Ry/Def (whom it may concern, ;))....

All those posts...I figure this must've taken a long time. let's just hope the forum regulars appreciate it.

*Def*
05-06-2003, 02:42 PM
They'de better, lol, the only thing we need now is someone to host the mp3's, so everybody can hear the bands too....

ohyeah, Ry and me both did about half of it, I did tough-guy, metalcore, rapcore, straight edge hardcore and christian hardcore. Ry did all the others!

BadReligion
05-06-2003, 02:52 PM
Awesome job Ry and Def. Some kick ass bands you got there and also a few I'm gonna check out now.:cheers:

JH013
05-07-2003, 10:08 PM
besides the old school hardcore (minor threat, dead kennedys, black flag) i didnt know about most of these bands. but some of them are really cool. shai hulud does a cool cover of nofx's linoleum. and im in the middle of d/l songs from xdisciplex ad, zao, converge, at the drive in, and boy sets fire.

Berlioz96
05-07-2003, 10:25 PM
You missed a great old-school Hardcore Punk band-
X
They were from the same scene as Black Flag, and from around the same time, but they were also somewhat influenced by blues and old rock 'n roll as well as hardcore, they had a girl singer who kicked ass. Check them out.

ibledonstages
05-07-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by JH013
besides the old school hardcore (minor threat, dead kennedys, black flag) i didnt know about most of these bands. but some of them are really cool. shai hulud does a cool cover of nofx's linoleum.

they also do the best bad religion cover i have ever heard of the song anesthesia check it out

oh and berloiz we had many bands that we wanted to include but you seen the lenght of the thread so we had to cut some bands out the exploited were gonna be involved as well but we already had our minds set on them 3 and those are probably the most influential from thier time

Berlioz96
05-07-2003, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by ibledonstages
they also do the best bad religion cover i have ever heard of the song anesthesia check it out

oh and berloiz we had many bands that we wanted to include but you seen the lenght of the thread so we had to cut some bands out the exploited were gonna be involved as well but we already had our minds set on them 3 and those are probably the most influential from thier time
That's cool. I understand. Just as long as you don't criticize me and say "everyone hates you so why spend your time making it worse"
Man, I sure do love that "Guess Who" guy, I'm sure he'll get tired of this place in a few months.....just like they all do.....:rolleyes:

chunkychewie
05-09-2003, 08:40 PM
Thanks for putting that together guys. It was really helpful. This thread will deffinately broaden my hardcore knowledge. Im downloading songs right now.
:headbang:

drunk in public
05-26-2003, 08:02 PM
thanks guys. this is awesome. I stick to the old school ones mainly, but I listen to most of those bands in the first couple of posts...... hardcore for life!

Addictive Alt.
06-04-2003, 06:53 PM
what category would the circle jerks fall into?

PHap
06-04-2003, 09:36 PM
Damn that was awesome. I've yet to read an article on hardcore as good as that. The only improvement I would have made would be to be Melodic Hardcore as a category, just because it's an excuse to put Thrice in:cheers:

RedHot_Angel
06-06-2003, 05:37 PM
wow that was amazing, thanks alot guys i had always liked Shai Halud but i never gave them a true listen and now im glad you pointed them out, once again many thanks guys
:cheers:
p.s. im so glad you mentions killswitch engage i dont know many people that liked them

Noodles007
06-09-2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by ibledonstages
Emocore

I, really dont know much about the history of emocore or know when it originated and where, but i do know tons of emocore bands and listen to them on a regular basis, first band is Boy Sets Fire. Call them what you will they stray along the lines of progressive hardcore and emocore. 2nd band is Thursday, a band from the budding new jersey emocore scene which gaves us bands liek Taking Back Sunday and My Chemical Romance as well as helping Glassjaw's and Poison the Well's music career's.Thursday is just about my favorite band very original and with such insightful lyrics and beautiful melodic guitar lines while still being hardcore, they are truly a great band(they dont like being called emocore but meh..its where they fit best). And last but not least is Glassjaw, a band from long island who got signed to roadrunner records(of all labels) and really wasnt pushed enough by them but they still had a loyal cult following and then by the time they released Worship and Tribute they were on MTV, MTV2, Much Music as well as being featured on Aol Sessions.



BoySetsFire

Boy Sets Fire was formed in Delaware in 1994 by singer Nathan Gray, guitarists Joshua Latshaw and Chad Istvan , bassist Darrell Hyde and drummer Matt Krupanski. Self-releasing their debut single "Consider" in 1995, the group soon resurfaced with a split release with Jazz Man 's Needle, winning acclaim not only for the intensity of their live dates but also the intensity of their political convictions. Boy Sets Fire's debut full-length The Day the Sun Went Out followed in 1997, with a split single with Snapcase preceding the 1999 release of In Chrysalis . Bassist Rob Avery replaced Hyde for 2000's After the Eulogy, the band's first release for new label Victory Records. This Crying, This Screaming, My Voice Is Being Born was released later that summer. Sucker Punch was issued in early 2001. Boy Sets Fire left Victory for the major label Wind-Up in 2002, and quickly released the Live For Today EP as an introduction. It featured four new tracks and two live recordings. Next, they entered the studio with producer Dave Fortman to record their full-length Wind-Up debut. Tomorrow Come Today arrived in April 2003, and featured a marked progression towards a more accessible sound. However, the new direction didn't lessen Boy Sets Fire's fiery political convictions in the least. The album included an incendiary political rant on its inside flap, and controversial lyrics that rankled some uptight religious groups.

Recommended listening: Bathory's Sainthood
Website: www.boysetsfire.com/



Thursday

Thursday first got together in 1998 in New Brunswick, NJ. Embodying the crew were five longtime friends: Geoff Rickly (vocals), Tom Keeley (guitar), Steve Pedulla (guitar), Tim Payne (bass), and drummer Tucker Rule . Creating compelling and strong emotional themes driven on hardcore's tuneful selections, Thursday started gathering a solid and faithful fan base through the local music scene. Sharing the stage with bands such as At the Drive-In and Boy Sets Fire at their first shows, Thursday created a wild, but distinguished, reputation way beyond their state. In 1999, the squad signed their first recording deal with New York's Eyeball Records, delivering their first album, Waiting , in that same year. Two years later, Full Collapse, the team's second full-length, hit the record stores in 2001 through Victory Records and in 2002 they released a 5 song E.P with one new track entitled Jet Black New Year(one of my personal faves). Due to differences with Thursday and the record company[Victory] they are now signed to Island Def Jam and are currently working on thier new album.Thursday displays a peerless version of the emo sound for a music scene that may not be ready for what the band has to offer. Full Collapse starts out with a warm, daydreamt piece, "Understanding in a Car Crash," that might give listeners a feeling that they are listening to a more modern, upbeat version of the Cure. While generating intelligent music, Thursday does its best to skirt the line of emo-pop without being unexciting or blasé. The key to this possibility lies behind the music that Thursday creates. Lead singer Geoff Rickly's vocals are smooth yet not immature, strong while not being overbearing. Icy sharp backup screams catch the listener off guard. The melodic-to-crunchy guitars followed by the well-engineered drum sound and rhythmic bass only add to the fray.The release of Thursday 's Five Stories Falling EP offered a convincing argument for the New Brunswick, NJ, band's status as true comers in the hardcore rock hierarchy and unequivocally proved their mastery at creating tumultuous, anthemic emo-rock, built upon a fiercely confrontational affront and a melodic subtextual base.

Recommended listening: I Am The Killer
Website: www.thursday.net


Glassjaw

Long Island, NY-based progressive hardcore band Glassjaw was formed by singer Daryl Palumbo and guitarist Justin Beck, longtime friends who began collaborating as teens. Roster changes regularly plagued the group during its formative years, with guitarist Todd N. Weinstock, bassist Manuel Carrero, and drummer Sammy Siegler completing the lineup for Glassjaw's 2000 debut album, Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence. Siegler was replaced by ex-Orange 9MM drummer Larry Gorman for the band's summer tour in support of the Deftones. In 2002
Glassjaw changes personnel slightly and moves up to major label Warner Bros. Records from Roadrunner for its second album, Worship and Tribute. But the band's musical approach remains the same, which is to say it is a showcase for lead singer and lyricist Daryl Palumbo. Palumbo, like his greatest influence, Perry Farrell of Jane's Addiction, wants to use the rock format as a soapbox for his views. While the band tries to work up a head of steam, pummeling and roaring through conventional hardcore passages, Palumbo interrupts the flow with a series of alternate strategies. "We are the most impassioned ugly people," he declares in "Cosmopolitan Bloodloss," and he justifies that statement in terms not always so articulate in his other lyrics. Disaffected from the complexities of life, he is not so much enraged as bitterly amused, and he responds by repeating puns (e.g., "Denial is a river in Egypt," in "Trailer Park Jesus") or quoting his influences ("Life is such a ball/I run the world from City Hall," sung in "The Gillette Cavalcade of Sports," is a line from Frank Zappa . This is, perhaps, the worship and tribute he has in mind. Musically, the group shows far more versatility than most of its metal peers, perfectly willing to slow the tempo, replicate the sound of a field recording, or let Palumbo pretend to be a sports announcer if he likes. And that helps make them more interesting than their metal peers. Glassjaw can pound it out like the best of them, but the fun comes in never knowing what variation the band will throw in next.

Recommended listening: Pretty Lush
Website: www.glassjaw.com



Emo core my ass, emo is whginy ass dashboard confessinal crap... boysetsfire is amazing.... how dare you assoiate thgem with emo.... listin to them and not just a few songs...... damn you ryaan embarassing a band with such extrodarnay talents.. you make me sick.... EMO EMO EMO... wtf


ohh and if your gonna istin to a song by them listen to thiere better stuff like

after the eulagy

or pure....

or my two personal favorites...... my life in the knife trade, and LAST YEARS NEST......

BOYSETSFIRE IS NOT EMO
its call them punk before i'fd disgrace a band like theat and call them emo

ibledonstages
06-09-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Noodles007
Emo core my ass, emo is whginy ass dashboard confessinal crap... boysetsfire is amazing.... how dare you assoiate thgem with emo.... listin to them and not just a few songs...... damn you ryaan embarassing a band with such extrodarnay talents.. you make me sick.... EMO EMO EMO... wtf


ohh and if your gonna istin to a song by them listen to thiere better stuff like

after the eulagy

or pure....

or my two personal favorites...... my life in the knife trade, and LAST YEARS NEST......

BOYSETSFIRE IS NOT EMO
its call them punk before i'fd disgrace a band like theat and call them emo


emotional hardcore is what emocore is bsf is emotional hardcore so they are emocore dashboard is not emocore dashboard is emo

EDIT: oh and by the way i have 2 of thier albums

*Def*
06-10-2003, 03:17 AM
Noodles, you're a retard...

Emo is wider then you think, and both me and Ry know BSF inside out, they're definetly not PUNK.

since when is calling a band Emo a disgrace? thats terribly narrowminded. plus we where talking about emoCORE. think before you post.

psycho_avatar
06-10-2003, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by *Def*
since when is calling a band Emo a disgrace? thats terribly narrowminded. plus we where talking about emoCORE. think before you post.

Yeah. Emo is a great genre. Even metalheads like it. :p:

Like the man said: "Noodles, you're a retard..."

:cheers:

Noodles007
06-11-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by *Def*
Noodles, you're a retard...

Emo is wider then you think, and both me and Ry know BSF inside out, they're definetly not PUNK.

since when is calling a band Emo a disgrace? thats terribly narrowminded. plus we where talking about emoCORE. think before you post.



i hAVE every cd they have had out, every single one.... and to disgrace them by saying thiere emo ....... doesn't matter if threy are emo CORE... cause emo is ****t music.... bull**** whny little dumb ****s wo can't sing or play guitar,,,, boysetsfire is punk before they are emo or "emocore" its bulll and now i hate you ryan :( :angry: :satan: :fight: :gun: :gunsfirin :redbite: :mad1: :grrr: :killaxe:


~JESSY~

*Def*
06-12-2003, 04:32 AM
Ehm chill out dude.

it's just your vision of Emo, what have the evil Emo boys done to you man :confused:

LazyGuitar
06-12-2003, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by *Def*
Ehm chill out dude.

it's just your vision of Emo, what have the evil Emo boys done to you man :confused:

Noodles is a girl...

But still, i love BSF... but they are Emocore imo. It's only a word, no need to cry about it.

*Def*
06-12-2003, 07:13 AM
Oh, sorry Jessy, chill out dudette! ;)

Emo and Emocore are both pretty wide genres, if you don't like Emo, well I can understand, but EmoCORE is a different genre. Anyways, call them what you want, BSF still kick ass!

courtneytaylor
06-12-2003, 09:22 AM
come on kids..........kets just get along and appreciate the work that ry and co have done in this thread

ibledonstages
06-12-2003, 10:57 AM
thanks for stepping in and no more discussion about it after this....

just suprising how one 3 letter word can so radically ignite someones temper to post they hate me now LOL

so young, so angry damn that rock music

FLUSHING NEMO
06-14-2003, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by benjmc
Hmm...this is really impressive Ry/Def (whom it may concern, ;))....

All those posts...I figure this must've taken a long time. let's just hope the forum regulars appreciate it.

they definitely appreciate it. At least i do.

eyehategod666
06-18-2003, 10:38 AM
lamb of god is one of the best metalcore bands out there right now :headbang::headbang:

*Def*
06-18-2003, 12:19 PM
Nah, we didn't forget them, but there are better and more influencial bands out there...

lamb of god isn't that metalcore either..

Berlioz96
06-19-2003, 01:47 PM
Is it just me or does almost every hardcore band have TWO GUITARISTS, A BASSIST, A DRUMMER, AND A VOCALIST? Why?
Is hardcore hard to play and sing at the same time or something.....it doesn't sound that complicated....just a thought....

RedHot_Angel
06-19-2003, 02:26 PM
do you guys know where i can get some caliban songs? i want to listen to them but i cant find anything from them anywhere
:cheers:

*Def*
06-19-2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by RedHot_Angel
do you guys know where i can get some caliban songs? i want to listen to them but i cant find anything from them anywhere
:cheers:

If you can't find them on Kazaa or Soulseek, you can PM me for my email and I can send some through msn if you like.

:cheers:

ibledonstages
06-20-2003, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Berlioz96

Is hardcore hard to play and sing at the same time or something.

Yes

torch of war
06-26-2003, 05:46 PM
Good, thorough list, but I must point out a few mistakes...
If I'm not mistaken you regard Converge as screamo. However, they more accurately fall into straight edge or metalcore. Also, you left out one of the greatest core bands of all time: BOTCH. How can you forget 'em? Was Unifying Themes not revolutionary? Is it too hard to remember a one-syllable name? Come on, dude.:no:

*Def*
06-27-2003, 08:47 AM
well its more a matter of most known and influencial bands, so that's the reason for it.

as for Converge, straigth edge? No!

see: http://www.convergecult.com/faq.html

they have some bandmembers who are straight edge, but they do not carry out a big sXe message,
so, they're definetly not the band with the biggest impact on the sXe scene, Earth Crisis get the honours, I wouldn't call them metalcore either, their sound is way to unorganised.

sean_d
07-01-2003, 01:54 PM
what kind of hardcore is Finch? and what are some other hardcore bands that are similar to Finch?

RedHot_Angel
07-01-2003, 03:43 PM
Finch is Emocore, bands similar to Finch are Glassjaw, Thursday, My Chemical Romance

sean_d
07-02-2003, 08:20 AM
alright, thanks. i'll check those bands out

saotome
07-02-2003, 10:34 AM
w00t! ZAO is back together! :vhan:

torch of war
07-08-2003, 07:35 PM
Wouldn't Minor Threat be in sXe core? They cetainly made a bigger impact than Earth Crisis, considering they (Threat) invented it. And Botch...come on man, they refined metalcore! Pick up Unifying Themes, years before their time they were. Seriously dude.

*Def*
07-09-2003, 03:09 AM
minor threat could be in it, but it's more the old wave, the bands we listed are more about 'new yought' straight edge.

like said a million times before, we can't put in every band, and botch hasn't had much influence in europe, at all. which is why I wanted to put in caliban instead, which most people in the US don't know about, it's cool to find out about different stuff too, plus they're 'the' leading metalcore band here in europe.

Murray4920
07-17-2003, 08:44 PM
wheres Unearth, and Norma Jean

Murray4920
07-17-2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by torch of war
Wouldn't Minor Threat be in sXe core? They cetainly made a bigger impact than Earth Crisis, considering they (Threat) invented it. And Botch...come on man, they refined metalcore! Pick up Unifying Themes, years before their time they were. Seriously dude.


minor threat definately laid the foundation for hardcore, but Earth Crisis is what made them more appealling, eXc really are the fathers of the hardcore breakdown

Murray4920
07-17-2003, 08:50 PM
also, wheres fashion-core

Eighteen Visions people

*Def*
07-18-2003, 09:51 AM
ahem, read again, Norma Jean is under 'christian hardcore'

Unearth is more melodic hardcore, and couldn't fit under any genre in general (maybe metalcore.)

we could go on forever, but there's no way we can cover every genre and every band, it's only a GUIDELINE. (so if someones thinking about posting another reply with 'where is band A/B?' don't bother.)

LazyGuitar
07-18-2003, 09:58 AM
Where's Steve-Core?

DefEdit: grmble :p:

MGD
07-24-2003, 05:10 PM
norma jean is christian? wow never wouldve guessed, saw them in a church around thanksgiving, never would have thought of it as christian

OfFender
08-17-2003, 12:48 PM
Wee for Black Flag, Minor Threat, DK, Refused ;)

kryptonite22
10-05-2003, 06:13 AM
ill be checkin out thise bands now, cheers for that!

kryptonite22
10-05-2003, 06:16 AM
another band, which i guess is emocore, is static lullaby. theyre like finch but a lil bit heavier. check em out

DrPilgrim
10-05-2003, 08:44 PM
Ummm yeah... Im gonna have to disagree on some of the classifications for bands, like DEP and Converge being in the screamo genre. Please. Metalcore there and Botch should be in there, because they seriously were one of the most revolutionary groups in that genre.

ATDI is Emo-core. Stuff like Examination of the..., Isis, Cult of Luna is more Progressive Hardcore.

*Def*
10-06-2003, 05:31 AM
ahem, metalcore is something different then screamo.

We can't list ALL the bands, and since we also included european bands, so we left some out.

*yawn*

DrPilgrim
10-06-2003, 06:43 PM
Yes I know theres a difference between Screamo and Metalcore. Did you read what I said? I definetly said those two were Metalcore, not Screamo.

I know you can't list all the bands, I was just helping out with the lists current bands and corrections that should be made. But who cares because I'm just a stupid newbie now, but just you wait. I'll be so powerful that even the dogbots of Turkey won't have **** on me!

Epiphone*Beast
10-06-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by DrPilgrim
But who cares because I'm just a stupid newbie now, but just you wait. I'll be so powerful that even the dogbots of Turkey won't have **** on me!


....................... i havent spamed in a while but dude......... that was gay

DrPilgrim
10-07-2003, 05:38 PM
Yeah I know.:(

XQuickDeathX
11-02-2003, 06:04 PM
kick ass list dude, another emocore band would be senses fail, their pretty good....gotta love the hardcore though(Balck-Flag!!!!!)

Acid Kelly
11-10-2003, 06:39 PM
great list... thanks a lot guys... i'll probably appreciate it more when i actually finish reading it, but as of now i'm only halfway through :rolleyes:

Amnesty
11-13-2003, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by ibledonstages


xDisciplex a.d.

xDisciplex A.D. is a Christian straight edge hardcore band with loads of heavy riffs and some insane double-bass drumming. The vocals are incredible. Some say they are the best hardcore band around. Ofcourse that?s fairly relative, but they?re definetly top-knotch in their genre.

Recommended Listening: Fight to the Death
Website: www.hxc.com/xdisciplex



xShockwavex

Shockwave is a band that started out in Erie, PA, one of the most violent sounding hardcore bands ever.
This band mixes brutal lyrics with a violent blend of hardcore and metal, powerfull sounding moshparts, awsome breakdowns, one of my favorite hardcore bands, not too well known in America, but since Goodlife recordings took over their cd stuff in Europe, they?ve made quite a name for themselves here.

Recommended Listening: Merge for the Kill
Website: www.hxc.com/shockwave

Wow I am really stoked to see two bands from around here got some recognition. (I am from Erie...I am probably on Noodle's ****list too. :bonk:)

*Def*
11-13-2003, 05:31 AM
^can you tell me if shockwave is still going?

it's hard to get any news from them, no press contacts, no european shows, no updated website, I have the sneaky suspicion they've broken up or something.

which would suck, since they're my favorite hardcore band, ever.

lush247
11-29-2003, 07:25 PM
WOW, awesome job guys, very well done. I am a big emocore fan and I love the band Thursday!! I will have to check out some of the older songs you recommended!

If I keep holding my breath I am going to disappear!

:cheers:

PedroGibbons
11-30-2003, 05:47 PM
check out black paper diary, they wicked good, not too heavy, kind of a grade feel to them

SocietyZer0
12-07-2003, 12:39 AM
my favorite hardcore emo band is either thursday, a static lullaby, or yesterdays rising...

SocietyZer0
12-07-2003, 12:41 AM
thursday's best song is "understanding in a car crash" its so awesome

danc446
12-07-2003, 05:47 PM
Emocore probably began with Ian MacKaye's (Minor Threat) band Fugazi.

danc446
12-07-2003, 05:50 PM
I don't think that a lot of todays hardcore kids realize their roots come from bands like The Germs, Flag, DK and Minor Threat. Also for the record, while minor threat didnt start the straightedge movement (and werent truely straightedge), the name was borrowed from the Minor Threat song.

funeralforafrie
12-09-2003, 09:07 AM
Wow, lots of info, thanks and good job!

danielsmith_
12-21-2003, 04:43 AM
aahaaahh rap core....rap is so gay

*Def*
12-21-2003, 07:19 AM
I bet you never listened to downset then...

who cares if rap is gay or not? respect other styles too you narrowminded clown.

kryptonite22
12-23-2003, 07:20 AM
am doing a project on emo, hardcore and emo-core and, although you dont have tons of info on all those genres, i managed to learn a bit, so thanks for that dude! :cheers:

shortys_03_
01-16-2004, 01:07 PM
very very nice job but where is the agony scene on the screamo list................they're amazing!!!

ShatteredGlass
01-16-2004, 09:34 PM
Hardcore is Korn.

*Def*
01-18-2004, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by ShatteredGlass
Hardcore is Korn.

:haha

thats the funniest thing I've seen in weeks

FuzzyBear
01-23-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by ShatteredGlass
Hardcore is Korn.

funny i always though korn was krapcore

abd kid
02-03-2004, 02:35 PM
lmao^

k, dumb question i know, but whats straightedge? I think i have an idea, but im not totally sure, so i just wanted to know.

*Def*
02-03-2004, 02:43 PM
its a lifestyle, vegans don't use drugs/drinks, don't eat meat and don't have loveless sex, some don't even wear leather shoes...

some of these folks formed some great hardcore bands, good exaples are the early Earth Crisis, xMaroonx, xDisciplex A.D. and xShockwavex. theres some threads with mp3's floating around if you wanna check them out.

abd kid
02-03-2004, 04:09 PM
oh. Thanks, man. So, im guessing the "x" in from of some of their names means "straightedge"? By any chance, is straightedge christian?

*Def*
02-03-2004, 06:15 PM
Not by definition, but some straight edge bands are christian.

the x's stand for straight edge, yes.

abd kid
02-03-2004, 10:33 PM
k, cool man...thanx! Very helpful. And by the way, this article was great....i can tell you spent time on it so thats cool , and now i have some more bands to look into! Thanks again.

DrPilgrim
02-07-2004, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by *Def*
its a lifestyle, vegans don't use drugs/drinks, don't eat meat and don't have loveless sex, some don't even wear leather shoes...

some of these folks formed some great hardcore bands, good exaples are the early Earth Crisis, xMaroonx, xDisciplex A.D. and xShockwavex. theres some threads with mp3's floating around if you wanna check them out.

Wait are you saying that if you're straight edge, you're vegan too? That's not true at all. Vegan and Edge are completely seperate. I'm edge, but I still love eating a good steak or grilled chicken, and my boots are leather :D.

*Def*
02-07-2004, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by DrPilgrim
Wait are you saying that if you're straight edge, you're vegan too? That's not true at all. Vegan and Edge are completely seperate. I'm edge, but I still love eating a good steak or grilled chicken, and my boots are leather :D.

no, no, but over here 95% of straight edgers are vegans, the straight edgers are often the militant kind over here too, closly identified with 'x' bands here too.

I think my explaination was a bit generalizing, you're right.

ofcourse beeing a vegetarian or a vegan is not one of the principles of straight edge, but most straight edgers are vegan or vegetarian too.

actually, out of all the straight edgers I know, theres only one who eats meat, and only fish. (god knows why)

Epiphone*Beast
02-07-2004, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by *Def*
no, no, but over here 95% of straight edgers are vegans, the straight edgers are often the militant kind over here too, closly identified with 'x' bands here too.

I think my explaination was a bit generalizing, you're right.

ofcourse beeing a vegetarian or a vegan is not one of the principles of straight edge, but most straight edgers are vegan or vegetarian too.

actually, out of all the straight edgers I know, theres only one who eats meat, and only fish. (god knows why)

i my self, have converted to being straight edge........ after screwing up a few times......... and since then i havent really had a problem saying screw all the bad stuff....... but i am far from vegan..... if i didnt have meat i would die.

now what would you call Skycamefalling

nunley
02-07-2004, 03:03 PM
what genre DOES thursday fit in?! screamo,nah...metal-core,nah...emo,hell no... it's just good music.

and coheed and cambria is definately a genre-defying band.

but i think one of the best upcoming hardcore bands is YESTERDAY'S RISING. you have to hear them! {link below}
www.yesterdaysrising.com

abd kid
02-07-2004, 03:08 PM
how do you get any mp3's????

*Def*
02-07-2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Epiphone*Beast
i my self, have converted to being straight edge........ after screwing up a few times......... and since then i havent really had a problem saying screw all the bad stuff....... but i am far from vegan..... if i didnt have meat i would die.

now what would you call Skycamefalling

I'm not really into them, but they can pull of brutal/beautiful pretty good, emotional hardcore or something?

if you like Hopesfall, Atreyu, PTW, you'll like them I guess.

I don't have any cd's of them so I haven't listened to them in depth...

so whats your reason for converting to straight edge?

lots of kids here go straight edge for the sake of it, but don't last long... I wonder, are straight edgers over there generally not vegans? over here most people automatically say vegan-straight edge, but maybe its really different over there?

I'm not straight edge, I don't do drugs except alcohol. I eat meat too, so no vegan/veggie either. but I do support the ALF, and I don't eat meat without the green label, uh, I don't know if you have that over there, its non-mass produced meat, like if you buy chicken theres chicken that run free and get slaughtered and theres chicken put in small breeding boxes with 4012840912850128540124 of them all stuffed up, and then they get slaughtered.

anyways, both are dead chickens, I know, but its just the idea that sickens me if I'm eating a tortured chicken.
I don't buy leather stuff either, fake leather maybe but I don't even like the look of leather, and I hate all forms of fur coats and stuff like that.

''Fur coats are worn by beautiful animals and ugly people''

:)

*Def*
02-07-2004, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by nunley
what genre DOES thursday fit in?! screamo,nah...metal-core,nah...emo,hell no... it's just good music.

and coheed and cambria is definately a genre-defying band.

but i think one of the best upcoming hardcore bands is YESTERDAY'S RISING. you have to hear them! {link below}
www.yesterdaysrising.com

emocore but some of their stuff is more emo, though I'm not into that band and don't like them at all.

Coheed and Cambria are ok, but again not my kind of thing...

on another note, I saw Bleeding Through live. man those guys don't know how to do a proper show, big big dissapointment. :mad:

abd kid
02-07-2004, 04:58 PM
Do you have to be Vegan to be Straightedge? It seems like you could.....

PHap
02-07-2004, 05:21 PM
Three suggestions:

To give At the Gates credit for starting the Swedish death metal scene, which spawned the current metalcore genre.

Add As I Lay Dying into metalcore.

Put The Number 12 Looks Like You somewhere.

*Def*
02-08-2004, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by abd kid
Do you have to be Vegan to be Straightedge? It seems like you could.....

No. but a lot of straight edgers are vegans too, over here.

in some places that might be different, but beeing vegan/veggie is not a straight edge guideline, so to say.

At The Gates rocks, but I wouldn't say that all metalcore bands where influenced by them or anything like that, to me they're just one of the many deathmetal bands from sweden,

Nihilist and Unleashed are the bands that started deathmetal in sweden, they broke up and formed fragments of Entombed and Carnage, those bands influenced At The Gates...

As I Lay Dying is not one of the legends of metalcore, they have been in the spotlights since recently and have been around for a while but I wouldn't say they had a big influence (yet)

DrPilgrim
02-08-2004, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by *Def*
No. but a lot of straight edgers are vegans too, over here.

in some places that might be different, but beeing vegan/veggie is not a straight edge guideline, so to say.

At The Gates rocks, but I wouldn't say that all metalcore bands where influenced by them or anything like that, to me they're just one of the many deathmetal bands from sweden,

Nihilist and Unleashed are the bands that started deathmetal in sweden, they broke up and formed fragments of Entombed and Carnage, those bands influenced At The Gates...

As I Lay Dying is not one of the legends of metalcore, they have been in the spotlights since recently and have been around for a while but I wouldn't say they had a big influence (yet)

Im glad someone like you runs this board.

Here in America, I don't know a lot of Straight edge kids, but the few I do, aren't vegan. Im not really edge, but I just refer to myself as poison/substance free.

*Def*
02-09-2004, 02:39 PM
nicely put, most people like to say they're straight edge and put X's on their hands because they don't do drugs and don't drink ;)

(you probably know the kind of people I'm talking about.)

abd kid
02-09-2004, 02:54 PM
yeah, i can relate, i wouldnt go as far as to say edge, but i'd agree with DrPilgrim cuz im poison/substance free as well....hell, i dont care if i was labeled straightedge anyways.

punksnafu
02-12-2004, 11:27 PM
awesome thread, wow

so good:cheers:

RainDog
02-19-2004, 01:26 AM
Did you guys say you wrote those?
They were all taken straight out of the all music guide word for word, in all the ones I saw......

ibledonstages
02-19-2004, 01:33 PM
its a compilation of data WRITTEN and COLLECTED by me and def, this thread was just put up for reference when hardcore was fairly new to ug and 50% of the replies are this band shouldve been on there or they are not (insert hardcore subgenre here)
all we hear is complaints about this thread now

RainDog
02-20-2004, 11:32 PM
Ok, I just wasnt sure.

TheUsed13
03-02-2004, 03:43 PM
do you guys like Blindside

skylerM
03-08-2004, 05:42 PM
thanks for the good bands, keep up the good work.

*Def*
03-08-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by TheUsed13
do you guys like Blindside

only the old work, the new stuff is poop.. kinda POD rip offs. but this isn't the thread to ask really ;)

orchidsinblood
03-08-2004, 11:22 PM
This video will show you what hardcore is. Quite possibly the heaviest most emotion driven band of today. It doesnt get much more hardcore than this. Bleeding Through.

http://www.trustkill.com/newstuff.php?id=56-9970

TakingBakSunday
03-25-2004, 05:02 PM
Taking Back Sunday would fall under "hardcore emo" in my opinion...

musicdudejoe
03-27-2004, 01:11 AM
Alright, since this is pretty far in the thread, and i don;t wanna read all of the posts, I dunno if this has already been brought up, but wouldn't Thrice fit in there somewhere? Most of the people I know who like them consider them hardcore, but i dunno the "sub-genres" as you listed they would fall in. And they are a big name in rock these days, bringing the more hardcore style(i'm guessing) into a mainstream context, while still keeping their sound. If you listen to "Artist in the Ambulence" and compare it with stuff off "Identity Chrisis" you'll find it to be similar, yet evolved. I dunno, anyone wanna elaborate on this?

TripleB8326
03-29-2004, 04:01 PM
rapcore?

GibsonTheGuitar
04-02-2004, 03:51 AM
Can someone tell me whether Im making a fool of myself by saying Im a hardcore fan of hardcore and am listening to Poison The Well, I Killed The Prom Queen, Evergreen Terrace, Stronger Than Hate...ect

ibledonstages
04-02-2004, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by TakingBakSunday
Taking Back Sunday would fall under "hardcore emo" in my opinion...

Can someone tell me whether Im making a fool of myself by saying Im a hardcore fan of hardcore and am listening to Poison The Well, I Killed The Prom Queen, Evergreen Terrace, Stronger Than Hate...ect

i say no to both of those quotes

GibsonTheGuitar
04-04-2004, 07:18 PM
BTW has anyone actually heard of 'I Killed The Prom Queen'?
They are Australian and I just saw them the other night. I would have to say that they have just about mastered metal-core.
Check them out, awesome stuff.

TheSilenceAfter
04-04-2004, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by orchidsinblood
This video will show you what hardcore is. Quite possibly the heaviest most emotion driven band of today. It doesnt get much more hardcore than this. Bleeding Through.

http://www.trustkill.com/newstuff.php?id=56-9970

No. Bleeding Through is terrible.

abd kid
04-05-2004, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by GibsonTheGuitar
Can someone tell me whether Im making a fool of myself by saying Im a hardcore fan of hardcore and am listening to Poison The Well, I Killed The Prom Queen, Evergreen Terrace, Stronger Than Hate...ect

Rule #1 for n00bs such as yourself....

DO NOT set yourself up to get ripped on if you want to have a respectable UG career from here on out.

brOWniE dRug
04-20-2004, 10:45 AM
Wow, so many great bands that I should've listened to a long time ago. God I was so deprived of great music. I guess that's what growing up does to ya eh? I've grown too big for bands like blink, eh, I hate em. I'm a big boy now! :cheers: Time for the big stuff

brOWniE dRug
04-20-2004, 10:49 AM
You know, all this genre stuff and fusing with other genres in the music industry is gonna blow my head off. Maybe someone can answer me this, where would The Used fit in?

abd kid
04-20-2004, 01:44 PM
Emocore, mostly.

Verlassen
04-21-2004, 08:04 AM
Those bands are all awesome. Refused is ****ing amazing. Norma Jean, I heard of them a long time ago and listened to them on this church trip i had to go on.

Distsedition
04-27-2004, 08:38 PM
Awesome list man. Ive been looking for some more hardcore bands to give a listen. Refused is ****ing awesome. i dont see Thursday bein a hardcore band tho.

Ill probly finish reading it in about 2 days
:cheers:

Distsedition
04-27-2004, 09:08 PM
nvm I just finished it. U forgot a band though:
Terror
lol christian hardcore(bet thats really good)

*Def*
04-28-2004, 06:01 AM
yeah, it is really good :)

and we haven't forgotten any bands, Terror just hasn't been much of an influence yet. bands listed here are legendary.

LastChanceKids
04-30-2004, 05:07 PM
I'm not trying to offend/harm whoever wrote this thread in any way but first of all the only subgenres of hardcore are the following:

Postcore (i.e. Thursday, Anatomy of a ghost, In Pieces, A static lullaby, Boysnight out, Beloved(US), Coheed and cambria, Saosin)

Grindcore (i.e. Alexisonfire, Circle Takes the square, daughters!, transistor transistor, many of Robotic Empire's bands)

Hardcore (i.e. Every Time I Die, Norma Jean, ThisDayForward, Walls of jericho, most precious blood, hopesfall, throwdown, shai hulud, The bled, nora, eighteen visions, luti-kriss(r.i.p), converge)

Nintendocore (i.e. HORSE The Band)

Metalcore (i.e. Poison The Well, Remembering Never, Scarlet, As I lay dying, Atreyu ..pronounced uh.tray.you not ay.tree.ew)

Emocore (i.e. old From Autumn To Ashes, Funeral For a Friend, UnderOATH)

So I would like to take the time to say there is no such thing as hardcore punk/old school or new school. Hardcore bands are hardcore bands their are still bands that keep the oldschool sound but a hardcore band is a hardcore band is a hardcore band, also dead kennedys was a predated punk band not a hardcore band, "Tough Guy Hardcore" who the hell though up that one? Shadows fall is a metal band not a metalcore band. Same with killswitch and earth crisis. Converge is not a screamo band, screamo isnt even a real type of music people just started saying it, but if it even is a real thing, new UnderOATH(june 15th) and Taking Back Sunday would be examples.

To be honest, its not clearly defined. Thats how most genres of music are though. Some other names for it are...
emo-violence
screamo-violence
emo-screamo
hardcore emo


the last one on the list "hardcore emo" Hmmmm sounds like emocore? So why arent these bands in that category? Oh well theyre not emocore anyway.

Christian Hardcore? Just because the lyrics are influenced by Christ doesnt mean theyre christian hardcore. Again i will say it, a hardcore band is a hardcore band is a hardcore band.

Rapcore doesnt exist either. Its called rapmetal....ever heard of linkin park or another ungreat band called limp bizkit?


At the drive-in was a great band, but theyre not progressive hardcore theyre like undescribable



Basically you cant be a hardcore band or a sub-genre band unless you scream and have a big vocabulary

Again, I am not trying to make any feel dumb or embarassed or what have you, but if youre going to tell people what hardcore is, then you might as well give them what they asked for and not some cheap counterfeit liar definition

and thats that

*Def*
05-01-2004, 03:50 PM
^OMG, you spend a lot of time on that huh! :)

calling us liars, thats a nice way to start, you're full of contradiction.

KSE are on of the early Metalcore bands, do you ever read mags???? inspired by at the gates, but I'm not into them.
'Christian hardcore' is a term that has been around for ages here and used by those bands themselves, don't know about the US, but hell, I don't live there.

Rapmetal?

rapcore ain't rapmetal, you obviously never heard E-town Concrete or Downset. Rapcore definetly exist. if you don't believe it, download some of that stuff. that sure as hell is not rapmetal, you can't compare those bands to limp dickshit.

I haven't written the metalcore parts or new/old skool parts, so I can't justify anything written there, Ry wrote most of this(ibledonstages) and hes the guy who made this forum.
I mostly orientated around straight edge/christian hc/tough guy hc, which is a european term, basically covers anything which sounds oldskool, defined by bands like madball and the likes.

anyways, you're free to have your own opinions, but flaming the people who made this forum be in the first place isn't a smart thing.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
05-02-2004, 06:53 PM
I've just started getting into a band called Bane i'm not sure if anyone has heard of them but personally i think they are amazing. You can check out their site at www.banecentral.com

x Hope x
05-04-2004, 03:29 PM
Def, you sXe?

*Def*
05-04-2004, 03:47 PM
nope, I'm not straight edge. but I do have a lot of straight edge friends, half of my band is sXe, and I understand and support their choice, but its not mine.

pink the punk, Bane is a cool band, they've been around for a while!

Kon_Tempt
05-05-2004, 04:50 AM
Excellent list, however there is one glaring omission: Raised Fist! These Swedes were definitely an influence on bands such as Hatebreed. You have to check em out. It was good to see Stronger Than Hate mentioned. Saw them 3 weeks ago in Brissie. These guys play in standard tuning and are heavy as ****. Lamb of God would have to be another harcore / metalcore band. I'd call them hardcore though cos their approach is plain brutal. Fave hardcore bands include, Day of Contempt, From THese Wounds, I Killed the Prom Queen, Embodiment 12:14, Against (all oz bands), In Flames, Black Falg, Hatebreed and DK.

*Def*
05-05-2004, 05:59 AM
DoC, cool, they're one of my favorite bands too :cheers:

In Flames isn't hardcore though ;)

spine2600
05-13-2004, 07:48 PM
Another hardcore band you should check out is Remembering Never.

RHCPhysco7
05-23-2004, 10:54 PM
in my opinion i think hatebreed sucks and they should be under nu metal

primusfan
05-25-2004, 11:44 PM
Thanks so much guys for reminding me that punk isn't just a bunch of whiny pussies wearing Hurley shirts, skateboarding, singing about love, and making fart jokes.

6slip6knot6
05-30-2004, 11:46 PM
how many hours did posting this thread take you??

funny how im not into hardcore/metalcore etc... but i do like shadows fall alot. i bought the art of balance, impressive. but i always considered shadows fall death metal... guess i was wrong.

skiracer271
05-31-2004, 08:55 PM
Wait so should we talk about the hard core punk bands like black flag and the dead kennedys here or the punk forum :confused:

By the way those three bands kick ass too :headbang:

Berlioz97
06-04-2004, 12:09 AM
Dude Zao rules. Christcore is the best!

*Def*
06-04-2004, 08:16 AM
lmao, christcore :haha

Berlioz97
06-04-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by *Def*
lmao, christcore :haha

dude, XchrisTcoreX is the best type of XhardcoreX.....:D

(X's make subgenres of XhardcoreX even more XhardcoreX)

perfec_circl
06-06-2004, 12:59 AM
You've inspired me to invent my own hXc sub-genre.

Hmm... maybe Blues-core. :confused: nah..... Jazzcore? Popcore?

I think I'll go with Jazzcore. It'll be technically inspiring with tons of distortion and Rickenbackers. Ah yes... I can see it all falling into place now.....

brianmcclelland
06-08-2004, 05:02 AM
wheres the grindcore suckas? and dillinger isnt emo, what the ****

brianmcclelland
06-08-2004, 05:03 AM
oh yeah dude, wheres Evergreen Terrace, they are about as hardcore as it gets, and you cant just stick them into christcore because of their beliefs, they dont sing about it. plus stick As I Lay Dying into Metalcore.

gibsonLP68
06-13-2004, 11:37 PM
Dude, kick ass article but you forgot....From Autumn To Ashes and Avenged Sevenfold....those are the kinda of really screamo hardcore bands. But The Early November fits into the same category as Thursday, and thats a badass list too.


ROCK ON -Dave-o

*Def*
06-14-2004, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by brianmcclelland
oh yeah dude, wheres Evergreen Terrace, they are about as hardcore as it gets, and you cant just stick them into christcore because of their beliefs, they dont sing about it. plus stick As I Lay Dying into Metalcore.

those aren't legendary bands, or bands that made a big impact, yet. thats why they're not on it, we can't but 10 bands per genre either so we had to be picky.

DEP isn't in emo either ;)

RainDog
06-21-2004, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Berlioz97
Dude Zao rules. Christcore is the best!
I like Jewcore better.

thedandjay
06-24-2004, 01:43 AM
I have a question what sub genre dose between the buired and me fall under?

atreyurock1022
07-02-2004, 01:32 AM
HARDCORE
bloody sunday
tarpit
death threat

SCREAMO
alexisonfire

xdespairfactor
07-03-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by RainDog
I like Jewcore better.

I second that

afrobandit
07-04-2004, 10:28 PM
:gunsfirin :vhan: :gun:

cedrics_mic
07-05-2004, 07:12 PM
At the Drive-In were included, now this forum is perfect to me.
It's a damn good list too, if someone hasn't already offered I can host some songs on my webspace, I have all of ATDI's songs in mp3s already so I can upload one or two.

Rebelw/outaCord
07-06-2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Berlioz96
Is it just me or does almost every hardcore band have TWO GUITARISTS, A BASSIST, A DRUMMER, AND A VOCALIST? Why?
Is hardcore hard to play and sing at the same time or something.....it doesn't sound that complicated....just a thought....

There's more energy live if you have a separate vocalist who can run around and attack people during breakdowns :p:

Alien_from_a_cd
07-16-2004, 04:28 AM
ah, good ol' hardcore. Minor thread, black flag, the dead kenedys and agnostic front. :cheers: Kick ass article, man.

yeller56
07-18-2004, 12:45 AM
Would bands like Atreyu and Avenged Sevenfold be considered Screamo or Emocore?

inoy
07-21-2004, 04:36 PM
Wow great job dude. I love old school hardcore/punk. I don't like metalcore every band sounds the same.

SorrowIsMe
07-21-2004, 11:17 PM
good job and.....HATEBREED 4EVER :|

nogravitylimits
07-28-2004, 11:26 AM
lol guys u must have some kind of a brain damage to talk about hardcore and not to mention "WarZone",
cause most of the bands that u already listed, make their songs out of modified WarZone riffs!!!!

r.i.p.

yeller56
08-04-2004, 05:29 PM
Kick ass job dude. I want to dl some songs from Madball now, just cause the name sounded cool. Whoa fire SWEET!

XxJimiPagexX
08-08-2004, 01:13 AM
Dude, nice bands. Minor Threat, Thursday, Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's, only thing I dont see up there is Thrice and Blindside man. Anyways Rock On!!!

XxJimiPagexX
08-08-2004, 01:14 AM
...and Pennywise

skiracer271
08-27-2004, 09:52 PM
I dunno if pennywise counts as hardcore....

*Def*
08-28-2004, 05:42 AM
pennywise is not hardcore, pennywise is punk or maybe edging to hardcore punk or whatever, but not true hardcore

Blindside is pretty much nu-metal nowadays, they used to be hardcore though on their old records... shame the new stuff is so.... crap :(

anyways, this thread should probably head into the archives, since all it gets is comments like 'add that band and that band'
I've explained it like a million times in this thread, we can't add every band so we just took 3 examples that where a big influence in the scene in both europe and america (my listed bands are mostly european so some might seem unfamiliar) we did that because its a world wide forum, not just an american or english forum or something.

Thanks everyone for the positive comments though, this was meant as a piece of guideline, not the hardcore bible or anything, I hope everyone can understand that ;)

mackdaddy
08-30-2004, 02:35 AM
Has anyone heard of the refused? I heard this Song called "New Noise" and it sounded good. Has anyone else Encoundtered them? Or a band named Parkland Drive?

*Def*
08-30-2004, 06:46 AM
has anyone heard of refused :haha

nogravitylimits
08-30-2004, 09:07 AM
ok u mentioned good bands, but as i said - forgot the best:


Warzone

"The way I think, the life I lead. A lifelong struggle, in what I believe" - "Marked For Life" off Fight For Justice
That line pretty much sums up the hardcore ideals of Warzone. For the last 10 years, Raybeez and a long line of his NYHC family have practiced what they preached both to and about "the scene". With their newest release, "Fight For Justice" the band marks yet another milestone in hardcore. A return to their roots. Punk and Oi styles mingle with modern East Coast hardcore to turn "Fight For Justice" into what will probably be considered their most poignant album to date.

With the same lineup as last year, Warzone continue to teach the new, entertain the elders and balance music with message just like they did on '96's "The Sound Of Revolution". With songs like "Locked Out" and "Brother and Sisterhood" that talk about acceptance in hardcore, Warzone is the band that the kids need today. With its start in angst filled family morality, the underground hardcore scene has grown in popularity and this band understands that the strength that lies in numbers can be quashed by political infighting and unacceptance of difference. Raybeez and Warzone have been there for years and are spreading a positive message of tolerance, individuality and self-respect among all hardcore youth.

The spread of the Warzone message is only possible through a rigorous touring schedule, which is exactly what they did after the release of "The Sound of Revolution". On the road for eight months, they made multiple trips to Europe, not to mention two complete loops around the U.S. They are out there, spreading the word. And people are hearing it.

After working with Dr. Know of the Bad Brains on "The Sound of Revolution", Warzone have chosen our own Tony "Victory" Brummel to produce this effort. Making a record in Chicago is a bit different for these guys, but the spirit of community that has been brought to the sessions is audible on every track. It's NYHC at it's best.

A lot of bands are getting back together because hardcore is "in" again. Warzone are one of the prime examples of why people care about hardcore today. They've been there since the beginning, they've never gone anywhere and they continue to press forward, expanding our ideas of what the music is about.

Raybeez (R.I.P.) -- Vocals
J-Sin -- Bass
Todd The Kid -- Guitar
Vinny Value -- Drums

porkfishweasel
08-31-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by ibledonstages
Christian Hardcore


ZAO

In the last 3 years Zao has broken every rule pertaining to heavy music. Whether they are playing with bands like Sick of it All and Earth Crisis or Napalm Death and Nile, Zao has never bowed to one particular genre by letting their music be toe tagged a certain style. Using sheer aggression as their calling card, Zao has been winning fans with their intense live shows and dark poetic lyrics.
The evolution of Zao began a few years ago with 4 friends sharing a belief and love for hardcore. Since that time Zao has fine tuned and redefined themselves. The band's first release for Solid State was 1997's "Splinter Shards the Birth of Separation", this record garnered the band critical acclaim and drew on the hardcore following the band was already building. Few could anticipate the direction the band took when "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" was released in 1998. Blurring the lines that separated the hardcore and metal community, Zao created an album so heavy and devastating that Kerrang gave them 4 out of 5 K's...a tremendous feat for a relatively unknown band.
"Liberate te ex inferis", the band's new record, takes over where last year's "Where Blood and Fire" left off. Adding new guitarist Scott Melinger and bass player Rob Horner, Zao has once again made a record that will smash all preconceived notions about who they really are. "Liberate te ex inferis" was recorded at Poynter Studios in Little Rock AR, the same studio that created "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" and other incredible bands such as Living Sacrifice, N.I.V., Burned Up Bled Dry, Stretch Arm Strong and others

Recommended Listening: PS77
Website: http://www.solidstaterecords.com/bands/zao/



Norma Jean (former Luti-Kriss)

Norma Jean is the band formerly known as Luti-Kriss, the reason for this name change was a local rapper called Ludacris or something, but the band didn?t change. Untill a little while ago when 2 bandmember left Norma Jean. Replacement has been found though. A little article about this great band:

Formed in 1997 in a suburban garage just outside Atlanta, Georgia, this quintet knew something was looming on the horizon for them. "We have all been best friends since before the band started," Daniel adds. "The band has been a natural result of our experiences and spiritual growth as friends." Not long after their initial inception, the band built a reputation with their desperately spasmodic and energetic live shows. "The live show is like the most chaotic episode of 'Romper Room' you've ever seen. Josh (our vocalist) is like Elvis with violent seizure attacks. The rest of the band has had to tone it down because we weren't able to finish tours-due to every single piece of gear getting broken during our shows." Building on this reputation, they soon found themselves sharing the stage with the likes of P.O.D., Embodyment, Blindside, Zao, and Project 86.

This band has been my favorite christian hardcore band for years, if you have the chance to check them out, don?t hestitate, go. But watch out for guitars and other things flying towards your from off the stage, their live show is incredible, chaotic, energetic, loud, I can?t describe it with a few words, just go and see them for yourself!

Recommended Listening: Black Smith
Website: www.solidstaterecords.com/bands



Selfmindead

Selfmindead, an energetic band with deep lyrics, inspired by many metal bands, you can definetly say that they do have their own style, theres nothing like Selfmindead.

SELFMINDEAD-started as a four piece band with the original members..Tapani-bass, Ilkka vocals, Marko-drums and Timo-guitar. They started to practice at the local "band house" in Eskilstuna Sweden, finally they got songs enough to play their first show, that was at bruket a local club wich held shows for refused, mindjive etc.etc. the show was held 29-12-94 with some local bands. The year of 95 became a good year for SELFMINDEAD. The local music/culture people was hosting a annual contest for new and upcoming bands. SELFMINDEAD then recorded a demo to try to enter the contest with no hopes at all to even compete. It turned out that they won the contest amongst 50 or so bands, the first price was a recording of a cd-single with 3 songs. The single was recorded at Studio Underground in Eskilstuna. This was the very first time the band went to a studio session, the single was produced, recorded and mixed by micke an the band. After the release of the single the band got out and played a lot more. The first show outside of the hometown was held on a parkinglot in mullsjo in the south/western part of sweden, with some local bands. Then the band hooked up with some people in Stockholm who did shows for local and unsigned bands. The first show in Stockholm was with BLINDSIDE. After a while the band recorded a demo which they sent a number of record companies. The band got a positive response from a lot of companies but they chose to do the first recording for SOULSCAPE RECORDS SWEDEN , which was recorded in may 97 at Studio Berghem, produced, recorded and mixed by Mick Nordstrom (happy unemployed) and the band. before this recording the band recorded a promo 7" with 3 songs ("3", "fuel stop" and a cover of starflyer 59's "hazel would" The record was first released through soulscape in scandinavia and later next year by solidstaterecords in the U.S. The record got a good response through radio and TV play in EUROPE and the U.S. The band has made trips to Germany, Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. these trips were done as a four-piece

In March 2003, the band broke up, now forming a new band with a few of the older members, called Benea Reach, Selfmindead released 2 cd?s, their latest At The Barricades We Fall was a great succes throughout Europe. Selfmindead played shows with Mesuggah, and many other big names, Extol?s guitarist also joined Selfmindead for half a year, but has stepped down in March 2003, as a result the whole band split up.

Recommended Listening: One Step Foreward
Website: www.selfmindead.com


does skillet count?

matt85210
09-05-2004, 05:02 PM
where would you guys place god forbid (prolly one of my best bands at the moment)

Type_o_negative
09-16-2004, 04:45 AM
NICE LIST!.. It's Great :D I did'nt knew some of these bands yet, :P THNX A LOT :D :D

deweydog78
09-25-2004, 09:54 PM
where can one buy these cds, cause you can't just stroll into best buy and buy most of them.

*Def*
09-25-2004, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by deweydog78
where can one buy these cds, cause you can't just stroll into best buy and buy most of them.

I got most of my hc cd's at shows really, thats the place to get them cheap.

and ofcourse post-order stuff... over here in europe theres some cool stores which sell most of these cds. though I bet a lot of this stuff is hard to find in the US, or well, relatively hard to find. but you can order most of it in regular cd stores too.

Unseen_hero
10-11-2004, 09:40 PM
I seriously can't read 9 pages, but this is what caught my eye:

circle jerks would be hardcore punk and Rites of spring were the first emocore band. Bred out of the great DC hardcore scene they did what wouldn't even become popular for over a decade after they broke up.

stormchaser
10-13-2004, 06:08 PM
Hell yeah! this is a great thread. all my fav mXc bands on the metalcore part, some kickass punk-hardcore, and some truly 0wn screamo :headbang:

--stormchaser http://www.betrayer.ca/images/board/emoticons/banana.gif

the_new_guy
11-09-2004, 01:54 PM
this probably has nothing to with what ur talkin about

SLIPKNOT IS COOL

CobainenHeralyn
11-17-2004, 04:41 AM
LOL, bt slipknot is not cool...if slipknot heard you calling them cool, they might eat you......neway I dunno but i reckon 36 Crazyfists are pretty hardcore, dunno what sub-division they would be put under, probaly emo-core. If you want an example of their hardcore-ness-ness listen to eightminutesupsodedown!

*Def*
11-17-2004, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by the_new_guy
this probably has nothing to with what ur talkin about

SLIPKNOT IS COOL

do you want to be banned?

apollge
11-19-2004, 11:30 PM
heller!
this message is to all of you music lovers out there...
try not to become a man of success
but a man of value...
words from albert einstein

XMeatHookMartyX
11-27-2004, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Distsedition
nvm I just finished it. U forgot a band though:
Terror
lol christian hardcore(bet thats really good)


If terror has influenced me anyway It's that they told me to beat the hell out of and or shoot anyone who has touched a ciggarette or alcohol. And listen to more rap.

ESrepresent
12-01-2004, 03:14 AM
MAN YOU GUYS DONT KNOW **** BOUT HARDCORE MUSIC UR ALL PUSSIES. LISTEN TO SOME HIP HOP GANGSTA RAP WESTSIDE CONNECTIONS BOW DOWN *****. G UNIT, LIL JOHN, LIL FLIP, EMINEM, SNOOP DOGG, DR DRE, NATE DOGG, X TO THA Z U NO WHAT IM SAYIN

PEACE OUT ROCKERS. HFM

ESrepresent
12-01-2004, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by stormchaser
Hell yeah! this is a great thread. all my fav mXc bands on the metalcore part, some kickass punk-hardcore, and some truly 0wn screamo :headbang:

--stormchaser http://www.betrayer.ca/images/board/emoticons/banana.gif

ur a ****ING CUNT IM GONNA KILL U *****

StuartR
12-04-2004, 12:45 PM
God Forbid are metalcore

Me09
12-04-2004, 02:12 PM
Wow, people are really spamming up the end of the list.


Great list though.

*Def*
12-04-2004, 04:54 PM
it's really funny how that guy up here recommends us G-unit. haha.

God Forbid is more like plain old metal. but they're good live.

CHARLIegt
12-18-2004, 10:39 PM
Nice list but you should have put himsa on it. they are a really sweet metalcore band. Y'all should check them out. Oh yeah i heard Norma jean broke up is that true, if so that sucks they were awesome

*Def*
12-19-2004, 07:21 AM
Himsa is far from legendary and they haven't had that much influence yet.

Norma Jean hasn't broken up, or well, not anymore, they're allways messing about with the lineup.

FFF-AgentOrange
12-19-2004, 11:11 AM
Great ****ing bands dude. Though i wouldn't call dk hardcore.
Since they did have a couple pop punk songs but those songs kicked ass, only pop punk songs i like in fact.
Their playing isn't hardcore but their lyrics are.
You left out a hardcore band though dude: The exploited
How could you leave them out? and what about broken bones?
Leave punk 2 the punx guys.

waterproofpie
12-19-2004, 11:37 AM
The exploited are punk kiddo.


Just because you don't have a punk band as your name here, doesn't mean you do not listen to punk.

Sonic and Tails
12-20-2004, 11:47 AM
what about from autumn to ashes

mistermisfit
12-22-2004, 10:25 PM
great job on the list dude. i would have put on bad brains and cro-mags though. and what the hell is the rap dude doing on a guitar website?

Bleeding Black
12-24-2004, 07:04 PM
are there any hardcore-core bands? =\

METALCORE_FrEaK
12-25-2004, 03:06 AM
would A7X be concidered hardcore?

INDUSTRIALMETAL
12-25-2004, 04:06 AM
Yes.....

hXcMacbeth3
01-03-2005, 08:13 PM
a7x is punk hardcore

metOLIca
01-06-2005, 01:31 PM
awsome i was actually wondering what genre of music killswitch was the other days.. good work guys!!

alexisonfire478
01-16-2005, 10:38 PM
I cant believe mewithoutyou wasnt mentioned for christian hardcore. One of the best bands I have ever seen live. Unmistakeably unique sound. Awesome band. Lyrics are some of the most deep and meaningful I have ever heard.

recomended listening- bullet to binary, gentleman

kryptonite22
01-16-2005, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by CobainenHeralyn
LOL, bt slipknot is not cool...if slipknot heard you calling them cool, they might eat you......neway I dunno but i reckon 36 Crazyfists are pretty hardcore, dunno what sub-division they would be put under, probaly emo-core. If you want an example of their hardcore-ness-ness listen to eightminutesupsodedown! I heard one definition - 'post-nu-metal-core'. Ridiculous.

*Def*
01-17-2005, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by alexisonfire478
I cant believe mewithoutyou wasnt mentioned for christian hardcore. One of the best bands I have ever seen live. Unmistakeably unique sound. Awesome band. Lyrics are some of the most deep and meaningful I have ever heard.

recomended listening- bullet to binary, gentleman

they haven't been a big influence to hardcore. or at least not nearly as big as the bands listed.

nice guys though, played a gig with them once. though their frontman is kinda freaky.

Nightwing666
01-18-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by ibledonstages
Christian Hardcore


ZAO

In the last 3 years Zao has broken every rule pertaining to heavy music. Whether they are playing with bands like Sick of it All and Earth Crisis or Napalm Death and Nile, Zao has never bowed to one particular genre by letting their music be toe tagged a certain style. Using sheer aggression as their calling card, Zao has been winning fans with their intense live shows and dark poetic lyrics.
The evolution of Zao began a few years ago with 4 friends sharing a belief and love for hardcore. Since that time Zao has fine tuned and redefined themselves. The band's first release for Solid State was 1997's "Splinter Shards the Birth of Separation", this record garnered the band critical acclaim and drew on the hardcore following the band was already building. Few could anticipate the direction the band took when "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" was released in 1998. Blurring the lines that separated the hardcore and metal community, Zao created an album so heavy and devastating that Kerrang gave them 4 out of 5 K's...a tremendous feat for a relatively unknown band.
"Liberate te ex inferis", the band's new record, takes over where last year's "Where Blood and Fire" left off. Adding new guitarist Scott Melinger and bass player Rob Horner, Zao has once again made a record that will smash all preconceived notions about who they really are. "Liberate te ex inferis" was recorded at Poynter Studios in Little Rock AR, the same studio that created "Where Blood and Fire Bring Rest" and other incredible bands such as Living Sacrifice, N.I.V., Burned Up Bled Dry, Stretch Arm Strong and others

Recommended Listening: PS77
Website: http://www.solidstaterecords.com/bands/zao/



Norma Jean (former Luti-Kriss)

Norma Jean is the band formerly known as Luti-Kriss, the reason for this name change was a local rapper called Ludacris or something, but the band didn?t change. Untill a little while ago when 2 bandmember left Norma Jean. Replacement has been found though. A little article about this great band:

Formed in 1997 in a suburban garage just outside Atlanta, Georgia, this quintet knew something was looming on the horizon for them. "We have all been best friends since before the band started," Daniel adds. "The band has been a natural result of our experiences and spiritual growth as friends." Not long after their initial inception, the band built a reputation with their desperately spasmodic and energetic live shows. "The live show is like the most chaotic episode of 'Romper Room' you've ever seen. Josh (our vocalist) is like Elvis with violent seizure attacks. The rest of the band has had to tone it down because we weren't able to finish tours-due to every single piece of gear getting broken during our shows." Building on this reputation, they soon found themselves sharing the stage with the likes of P.O.D., Embodyment, Blindside, Zao, and Project 86.

This band has been my favorite christian hardcore band for years, if you have the chance to check them out, don?t hestitate, go. But watch out for guitars and other things flying towards your from off the stage, their live show is incredible, chaotic, energetic, loud, I can?t describe it with a few words, just go and see them for yourself!

Recommended Listening: Black Smith
Website: www.solidstaterecords.com/bands



Selfmindead

Selfmindead, an energetic band with deep lyrics, inspired by many metal bands, you can definetly say that they do have their own style, theres nothing like Selfmindead.

SELFMINDEAD-started as a four piece band with the original members..Tapani-bass, Ilkka vocals, Marko-drums and Timo-guitar. They started to practice at the local "band house" in Eskilstuna Sweden, finally they got songs enough to play their first show, that was at bruket a local club wich held shows for refused, mindjive etc.etc. the show was held 29-12-94 with some local bands. The year of 95 became a good year for SELFMINDEAD. The local music/culture people was hosting a annual contest for new and upcoming bands. SELFMINDEAD then recorded a demo to try to enter the contest with no hopes at all to even compete. It turned out that they won the contest amongst 50 or so bands, the first price was a recording of a cd-single with 3 songs. The single was recorded at Studio Underground in Eskilstuna. This was the very first time the band went to a studio session, the single was produced, recorded and mixed by micke an the band. After the release of the single the band got out and played a lot more. The first show outside of the hometown was held on a parkinglot in mullsjo in the south/western part of sweden, with some local bands. Then the band hooked up with some people in Stockholm who did shows for local and unsigned bands. The first show in Stockholm was with BLINDSIDE. After a while the band recorded a demo which they sent a number of record companies. The band got a positive response from a lot of companies but they chose to do the first recording for SOULSCAPE RECORDS SWEDEN , which was recorded in may 97 at Studio Berghem, produced, recorded and mixed by Mick Nordstrom (happy unemployed) and the band. before this recording the band recorded a promo 7" with 3 songs ("3", "fuel stop" and a cover of starflyer 59's "hazel would" The record was first released through soulscape in scandinavia and later next year by solidstaterecords in the U.S. The record got a good response through radio and TV play in EUROPE and the U.S. The band has made trips to Germany, Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. these trips were done as a four-piece

In March 2003, the band broke up, now forming a new band with a few of the older members, called Benea Reach, Selfmindead released 2 cd?s, their latest At The Barricades We Fall was a great succes throughout Europe. Selfmindead played shows with Mesuggah, and many other big names, Extol?s guitarist also joined Selfmindead for half a year, but has stepped down in March 2003, as a result the whole band split up.

Recommended Listening: One Step Foreward
Website: www.selfmindead.com and might i also suggest, ZAO is christian, which most of you seem to leave out.

*Def*
01-18-2005, 04:59 PM
^Ahem. notice the section they're under ;)

sandmansrevenge
01-19-2005, 01:46 PM
:haha

sandmansrevenge
01-19-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by *Def*
I got most of my hc cd's at shows really, thats the place to get them cheap.

and ofcourse post-order stuff... over here in europe theres some cool stores which sell most of these cds. though I bet a lot of this stuff is hard to find in the US, or well, relatively hard to find. but you can order most of it in regular cd stores too.

nah dude i could find almost every band named in this thread in any cd store where i live.


if you guys want some good hardcore check out http://www.myspace.com/FLLA :cheers:

deweydog78
01-20-2005, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by sandmansrevenge
nah dude i could find almost every band named in this thread in any cd store where i live.


if you guys want some good hardcore check out http://www.myspace.com/FLLA :cheers:

where do you go? media play has some stuff, but circuit city and best buy, not a chance. there is some place that sells all this stuff, but its a local place and it's downtown.

hauntedbyhatred
01-25-2005, 05:40 PM
first off great list of bands. awesome ive heard the hardcore punk,screamo,emocore,and metalcore bands u listed plus others looks like i got something to do for the next couple of days.awesome job.nicely done :cheers:

snazyfranzstrin
01-25-2005, 09:06 PM
hey great job with the list just wondering if eney one has herd of the locust its a spazcore band

scousertommy
01-26-2005, 08:58 AM
Okay i tried asking about this in the punk/emo forum, so i'm well prepared for the backlash this will cause....lostprophets are emocore!
/shields face

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
01-26-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by scousertommy
Okay i tried asking about this in the punk/emo forum, so i'm well prepared for the backlash this will cause....lostprophets are emocore!
/shields face

Lost Prophets are far from emocore. They're nu-metal if they're anything except pathetic. They have way too much money for very little talent, i still have a flyer in my room of when they opened a gig in South Wales for my mates band.

scousertommy
01-26-2005, 03:30 PM
but WHY they are nu-metal? could u explain yourself? They use normal tunings now. and they dont really do that whole dj thing anymore with the scratching. Just listen to the screaming on start something! they're screamo then, at least. to be honest man, you sound a little bitter, maybe cause 'prophets really succeeded and maybe your mate's band didnt? Thats the only explanation i can think of for someone saying that lostprophets are pathetic. I dont care if you think they 'sold out' or 'went pop, or mainstream', because all that happened was that they got the popularity they deserve.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
01-27-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by scousertommy
but WHY they are nu-metal? could u explain yourself? They use normal tunings now. and they dont really do that whole dj thing anymore with the scratching. Just listen to the screaming on start something! they're screamo then, at least. to be honest man, you sound a little bitter, maybe cause 'prophets really succeeded and maybe your mate's band didnt? Thats the only explanation i can think of for someone saying that lostprophets are pathetic. I dont care if you think they 'sold out' or 'went pop, or mainstream', because all that happened was that they got the popularity they deserve.

A) The DJ, you say they don't do the scratching anymore then why bother with the DJ?
B) They are definatly not Screamo, askt DetFulKrieger about Screamo.
C) No my mates band are also doing pretty well, they just do what all good bands do, tour and make enough to live off none of this 'rockstar' bullshit
D) They definatly did sell out, that is a term bandied around a lot so i try not to use it but in this case i shall make an exception. It also proves how little of the music scene you know, they did not get the popularity they deserve because there are numerous bands out there that are better.

Also if you didn't know, Ian used to be the shittest singer you will ever hear, he hasn't changed much.

T-Bone (Bass)
01-28-2005, 12:23 PM
You forgot to mencion Misfits as one of the immportant Hardcore punk bands, very immportant band, one of the most immportant, glen danzig has made his mark in punk history. Sex Pistols is not menciond in the list (very immportant band).
Destruction should have been menciond, hardcore black trash band good to mencion. But it was a good list anyway.
Stands respect in that!!

LazyGuitar
01-28-2005, 02:25 PM
^ The Sex Pistols weren't hardcore :bonk:

scousertommy
01-29-2005, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by PiNk_ThE_pUnK
A) The DJ, you say they don't do the scratching anymore then why bother with the DJ?
B) They are definatly not Screamo, askt DetFulKrieger about Screamo.
C) No my mates band are also doing pretty well, they just do what all good bands do, tour and make enough to live off none of this 'rockstar' bullshit
D) They definatly did sell out, that is a term bandied around a lot so i try not to use it but in this case i shall make an exception. It also proves how little of the music scene you know, they did not get the popularity they deserve because there are numerous bands out there that are better.

Also if you didn't know, Ian used to be the shittest singer you will ever hear, he hasn't changed much.

In homeric inversion, here is my response:

Yes I'm aware of Ian's FORMER shortcomings as a singer. But everyone (who doesnt have a huge chip on their shoulder) agrees that he's come on loads and is now quite good. I never claimed he was the most technically excellent vocalist out there but his stlye suits perfectly. So here are some words of wisdom for you: its not about technical ability, its about the music ffs.


D) A band can still have immense popularity while there are simultaneously other 'better' bands out there, and said band still deserves its own popularity. Just look at U2 for example.

C) 'Rockstar' Bull****? Haha what did you expect a bunch of young lads to be like? Beside it's what we've always loved about guitar bands. You've have to forgive them for EARNING loads of money for writing and performing worthy songs. Who among us wouldnt take more money than we absolutely need, given the chance. They're human for ****s sake.

B) Fine, I can accept that they're not screamo, its just a label anyway, but nu-metal? pathetic? we both know where you were talkin out of on that one.


A) The 'DJ' also does keyboard stuff and he does the screaming vocals. Thats 'why bother'. You obviously don't know much about the role each band member plays. So don't presume to.

I'm not tryin to be a dickead or anythin, I respect your opinion, but I still think you are dead wrong.

*Def*
01-30-2005, 06:37 AM
well, he's not dead wrong. and this isn't the place to discuss it, take it up on pm's boys.

super_cass
01-31-2005, 09:06 AM
how can u leave out the best harcore band of all time. i was very disapointed 2 here they split up. busted are amazing dont you think? they did so well for themselves n such good guitarists!!!!!!!!! they gotta challenge vai or malmstien!!

*Def*
01-31-2005, 11:47 AM
shut up. haha.

dazedandconfusd
02-04-2005, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by super_cass
how can u leave out the best harcore band of all time. i was very disapointed 2 here they split up. busted are amazing dont you think? they did so well for themselves n such good guitarists!!!!!!!!! they gotta challenge vai or malmstien!!

wow. you're not funny.

jeeba jaba
02-06-2005, 10:47 PM
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asche
02-07-2005, 06:32 PM
i dont mean to tear apart your list, but how are converge and DEP screamo bands?

germ
02-09-2005, 11:15 PM
^thats probably the only way to describe them, theyre so unorthodox. unless you want to get specific and call them grindcore, whtever that means.

inoy
02-17-2005, 12:55 PM
stand and fight, ten yard fight, champion....that are good hardcore bands

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
02-18-2005, 03:23 PM
^ Good call, finally someone else that appreciates the good side of Hardcore :p:

SilentSpectacle
02-18-2005, 10:08 PM
Great stuff.... but putting Norma Jean in christian hardcore instead of Underoath... shameful.

*Def*
02-19-2005, 09:21 AM
Underoath is a girl-band.

and Luti-kriss/Norma Jean had way more influence.

matt85210
02-27-2005, 09:01 AM
some people in the metal forum have placed Dillinger Escape Plan under "mathcore". (?)

Sule
03-07-2005, 08:46 AM
Man you Know alot but i was basically interested in Metallica

twiggythefinch
03-09-2005, 08:32 AM
you guys forgot mathcore. mathcore is simple heavy ****music mixed with lyrics. which you can read but cant actually relate to the song. mathcore is simply everything youbve talked about in these forums combine. its not widely recognised but it kicks ass. examples of mathcore = the number twelve looks like you, PsyOpus, Botch and playing enemy. and of course my band lol xept were not so well known. catch u ltrs.

StuartR
03-22-2005, 01:23 PM
Converge and DEP are not grindcore

cafendergirl
03-24-2005, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the tread. I don't really think of dillinger and converge as screamo, but whatever. Oh and you should check the earth crisis link... (please). Heres the correct link that doesn't go to a wrong website, or at least the best I could find... http://www.highrollerstudios.com/earthcrisis/pages/openFR.html

thanks!

alexisonfire478
03-24-2005, 08:25 PM
I dont have time to look.....is circle takes the square mentioned in here? if not they should be.

Anghellic
04-03-2005, 01:20 AM
Are Coalesce, Burnt by the Sun, and Today is the Day hardcore or metal?

hypocrisy
04-04-2005, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Anghellic
Are Coalesce, Burnt by the Sun, and Today is the Day hardcore or metal?

Today Is The Day are Grindcore, I'm near sure about it. I could swear the other two were metalcore though.