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taborama
11-28-2006, 04:45 PM
http://www.ustr.gov/assets/Document_Library/Fact_Sheets/2006/asset_upload_file151_9980.pdf

Fighting Internet Piracy

The United States and Russia agreed on the objective of shutting down websites that permit illegal distribution of music and other copyright works. The agreement names the Russia-based website allofmp3.com as an example of such a website.

Russia will:
- take enforcement actions against the operation of Russia-based websites; and
- investigate and prosecute companies that illegally distribute copyright works on the Internet.

Russia will work to enact legislation by June 1, 2007, to stop collecting societies from acting without right holder consent,

Russia will also work to enact legislation implementing the 1996 World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) Internet treaties.

Get all the tabs while you can ;)

Freddedonna
11-28-2006, 04:49 PM
Let's just move the servers to Kazahkstan.

GibsonPuppeteer
11-28-2006, 04:51 PM
^ :haha

Derigiberble
11-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Interesting.

And there was me thinking UG could never die.

Andrew Zara
11-28-2006, 04:52 PM
UG won't be closed down, we have an agreement where we can distribute music. That's why we are still around and all the other guitar sites went down.

GrungePb
11-28-2006, 04:52 PM
i think im going to cry

Derigiberble
11-28-2006, 04:54 PM
UG won't be closed down, we have an agreement where we can distribute music. That's why we are still around and all the other guitar sites went down.

Did you read it? Russia is implementing new legislation. It doesn't matter about agreements or Licenses after that. It'll be a new law.

Andrew Zara
11-28-2006, 04:55 PM
Did you read it? Russia is implementing new legislation. It doesn't matter about agreements or Licenses after that. It'll be a new law.

uh oh, UG's in deep s*** then. I hate Russia :grrr:

ibanez-gnr14
11-28-2006, 04:57 PM
Its not copyright if its people's own way of playing these songs. Plus UG doesn't have to completely shut down, just mabey take off the tabs. There would still be everything else.

Chimaira
11-28-2006, 04:57 PM
Are tabs considered copyrighted work? It doesn't say anything about tabs specifically, just actual music.

Derigiberble
11-28-2006, 04:59 PM
According to American government policy, Tabs, including peoples own interpretations of songs are considered as copywritable material and thus are not allowed for general release. It's all a bit ridiculous, but then I suppose try telling that to all the bands that think they could make more money selling tab books (which incidently are rarely actually like the song's they portray, in contrast to tabs which are often consistently correct).

ibaRGnez321
11-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Wow, not cool.

Well, even if UG gets shutdown, which hopefully is unlikely, they should keep the forums up.

thundrstruk891
11-28-2006, 05:01 PM
UG won't be closed down, we have an agreement where we can distribute music. That's why we are still around and all the other guitar sites went down.





if yall dont believe him you can check out
http://www.guitartabs.cc/


its the site i used until they closed down and i found UG

Derigiberble
11-28-2006, 05:05 PM
if yall dont believe him you can check out
http://www.guitartabs.cc/


its the site i used until they closed down and i found UG

Yeah the difference is, in Russia companies can apply for licences which allow them to distribute copywritable material via the web for a fee. This new legislation will no doubt get rid of these licences.

The site you used to visit obviously got shut down because it was situated in a country which didn't offer said licences, most likely America or the UK.

CorduroyEW
11-28-2006, 05:45 PM
But doesn't UG actually pay for the right to have these tabs up? You would think that a licence that was paid for would still be OK. I dunno.

Derigiberble
11-28-2006, 05:48 PM
But doesn't UG actually pay for the right to have these tabs up? You would think that a licence that was paid for would still be OK. I dunno.

Yeah currently that is the case, but I'm not sure whether or not the money actually goes to the artists or whether it just goes to the Russian government, I dunno, I'm not qualified to say. Either way, this new legislation with completely remove these licences.

Forced In
11-28-2006, 06:03 PM
I lost a part of my life when Taborama shut down, they'd better not come here. Or I'll have to start buying tab books, god forbid.

paintITblack39
11-28-2006, 08:50 PM
There's always Canada and/or Mexico ;)

Andrew Zara
11-28-2006, 09:08 PM
I still don't beleive UG will ever go down, besides, don't we have different bases in all of the world? Like Europe and Canada? So, we could move there.

Yakult
11-29-2006, 07:40 AM
Uhoh... This isn't good

Strat_Monkey
11-29-2006, 08:06 AM
OK, at the risk of sounding like a hippy, Music Should Be Free! I can't believe anyone supports this legislation apart from big f*cking muisc execs with too much money already. I swear, I will never sign to a major label...

198x
11-29-2006, 08:10 AM
Bit late for an April Fools isn't it? :P

Why not change this site to be an 'underground society. where only those who need to know, know.

The title will still be UG, but Underground-Guitar. It'll be like the A-Team, but GOOD!

IndieMetalhead
11-29-2006, 08:17 AM
Seriously?

ergh, goddamnit

Gutch220
11-29-2006, 09:11 AM
1- UG pays fees to continue to post tabs/files (whether or not this will change, I don't know)
2- The forums won't get shut down (hopefully)
3- there will always be tabs on the internet, no matter how hard they try to shut sites down.

FrenchyFungus
11-29-2006, 09:36 AM
zappp has said UG will not shut down, no matter what.

I believe him.

Andrewbiles
11-29-2006, 09:46 AM
Yeah the difference is, in Russia companies can apply for licences which allow them to distribute copywritable material via the web for a fee. This new legislation will no doubt get rid of these licences.

UG pays.

The servers aren't in Russia or the US or the UK.

wahappen
11-29-2006, 09:48 AM
UG pays.

The servers aren't in Russia or the US or the UK.

:)

:cheers:

Draken
11-29-2006, 10:50 AM
UG fo' life.

ptannjr
11-29-2006, 10:57 AM
I would wonder if there could be some form of payment for use of the tabs at the site. Then UG could pay the "Royalties" to distribute the tabs.

Rankles
11-29-2006, 11:15 AM
OK, at the risk of sounding like a hippy, Music Should Be Free! I can't believe anyone supports this legislation apart from big f*cking muisc execs with too much money already. I swear, I will never sign to a major label...

Why should music be free? Shouldn't musicians have a right to earn money form their music?

Strat_Monkey
11-29-2006, 11:28 AM
^^Yeah, but I get pissed off when the sole aim of musicians is to make bags of cash. Any artist who's gonna realistically sell enough tab books to bring one out almost certainly makes a shedload of money as it is, as do their record company's executives.

I said music should be free, not that it was a remotely realistic idea in this world.

UG pays.

The servers aren't in Russia or the US or the UK.

Where are they then? Narnia?

CorduroyEW
11-29-2006, 11:57 AM
^Come on, thats just silly. Everybody knows they are at Hogwarts. If something goes wrong with UG it's because Harry Potter and all his little buddies are dead.

That_Pink_Queen
11-29-2006, 12:04 PM
Aren't they in the Netherlands or something now?

I vote Iran or North Korea! As I think we all know from experience, the US doesn't have much sway in those parts. :haha

FrenchyFungus
11-29-2006, 12:08 PM
^^Yeah, but I get pissed off when the sole aim of musicians is to make bags of cash. Any artist who's gonna realistically sell enough tab books to bring one out almost certainly makes a shedload of money as it is, as do their record company's executives.

I said music should be free, not that it was a remotely realistic idea in this world.



Where are they then? Narnia?
<_<
>_>

Yakult
11-29-2006, 12:10 PM
:haha :haha

Andrewbiles
11-29-2006, 02:46 PM
I would wonder if there could be some form of payment for use of the tabs at the site. Then UG could pay the "Royalties" to distribute the tabs.

I think you'll have to expect that at some point in the future, but zappp really is trying to keep it free.

^^Yeah, but I get pissed off when the sole aim of musicians is to make bags of cash. Any artist who's gonna realistically sell enough tab books to bring one out almost certainly makes a shedload of money as it is, as do their record company's executives.

Very rarely its the sole aim of a band to just go out and make money. The only band I've actually heard admit that that was their aim was KISS, and what they did (and created musically) was just disgusting.
Artists barely get any money from tab books, there are so many contributors to tab books that have to get paid so the slice of the pie is tiny, and the amount that actually sell is equally small. However, without these people that have to get paid (ie, the publishers) then it would mean a smaller paycheck for the artists in the end. Thats why the whole 'free music' idea just isn't fair. There are bands that are willing to go through life and not make much money, but at the end of the day, why most indie band (by that I mean unsigned/signed to tiny labels) split up is due to the lifestyle they're having to live to be dedicated to music. Would you not prefer that people were living comfortably if they're providing you, and thousands of others, with a bit of entertainment that you can enjoy for decades to come? Its very rare that you get bands actually earning 1million from a contract, and then that million has to go a long way. It has to last three to six people (generally) possibly two years and there are a lot of costs that they'll have to use that money towards as well (recording, mastering, equipment, living, etc), and at the end of the day, who knows whether they'll actually continue to earn money from music after that? If the album flops badly, then they will get dropped and by on minimum wage like everyone else.

GiantRaven
11-29-2006, 03:25 PM
I think you'll have to expect that at some point in the future, but zappp really is trying to keep it free.

Would existing members have to pay?

AdamDK
11-29-2006, 03:53 PM
UG won't shut down, I guarentee you.

UG Pays royalties - With new legislation or not, paying royalties = LEGAL.

Read the text. It says this:

" The United States and Russia agreed on the objective of shutting down websites that permit illegal distribution of music and other copyright works. The agreement names the Russia-based website allofmp3.com as an example of such a website. "

Notice it says "Illegal distribution of music and other copyright works". That's ILLEGAL distribution. In any country, if you pay the royalties, it is legal. Simple as.

taborama
11-29-2006, 04:23 PM
UG won't shut down, I guarentee you.

UG Pays royalties - With new legislation or not, paying royalties = LEGAL.

Read the text. It says this:

" The United States and Russia agreed on the objective of shutting down websites that permit illegal distribution of music and other copyright works. The agreement names the Russia-based website allofmp3.com as an example of such a website. "

Notice it says "Illegal distribution of music and other copyright works". That's ILLEGAL distribution. In any country, if you pay the royalties, it is legal. Simple as.

But these websites are not pay royalties to the copyright owners:

"Russia will work to enact legislation by June 1, 2007, to stop collecting societies from acting without right holder consent."

ROMS is one of these "collecting societies". The copyright holders never see a dime.

Gutch220
11-29-2006, 04:51 PM
I would be willing to pay a small fee to download GuitarPro or Power Tabs as long as they were correct (from an established publisher like Hal Leonard, Cherry Lane, etc). Maybe 99 cents per song. I wouldn't want to pay for home made tabs though.

Maybe the servers are in Switzerland, that would be cool.

AdamDK
11-29-2006, 04:57 PM
But these websites are not pay royalties to the copyright owners:

"Russia will work to enact legislation by June 1, 2007, to stop collecting societies from acting without right holder consent."

ROMS is one of these "collecting societies". The copyright holders never see a dime.

Guess you're right... Oh well, looks like UG will have to relocated the servers to somewhere like Norway or Switzerland or something.

Andrew Zara
11-29-2006, 05:04 PM
Post this in the pit and see the reactions you get.

Gutch220
11-29-2006, 05:07 PM
^yea, with the title "UG Shutting Down?" stickied right at the top

BlueZephyr
11-29-2006, 05:39 PM
god, societies becoming SO corporate. everything costs dough.

latinosuperstud
11-29-2006, 06:20 PM
I would be willing to pay a small fee to download GuitarPro or Power Tabs as long as they were correct (from an established publisher like Hal Leonard, Cherry Lane, etc). Maybe 99 cents per song. I wouldn't want to pay for home made tabs though.

Maybe the servers are in Switzerland, that would be cool.
i dont know... i dont want it to become ultimate-darkchocolate Dot Com

by the way dont go there it will most likely be some sort of porn site

198x
11-29-2006, 06:39 PM
Here we go : http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/ultimate-guitarcom_the_last_stand.html

This answers nearly every question in this topic :D

fronkpies
11-29-2006, 06:50 PM
^ Yer and its 3 months old ^

SGstriker
11-29-2006, 07:54 PM
<_<
>_>

:haha :haha
:haha :haha
:haha :haha

ROFL****INGCOPTER!!

That was the shit!!

EDIT: Why did it let me say shit, but not ****. **** **** ****

Andrew Zara
11-29-2006, 08:10 PM
^yea, with the title "UG Shutting Down?" stickied right at the top

No, I did make a thread in the pit, but I said it may become a pay site. I never said it's for sure.

198x
11-29-2006, 08:31 PM
^ Yer and its 3 months old ^
It doesn't matter how old it is, it has answered all the questions about UG paying royalties.

Sheesh, let the arguement go.

Andrewbiles
11-29-2006, 08:53 PM
Would existing members have to pay?

I'm not making up the rules or anything, but I can see that at some point things are going to have to change. Its just going the same direction that music downloads have gone, and although there are lots of people still downloading for free, there are a lot of people also trying to stay legal. Now that they've really begun to pressurise tab sites, and depending on what happens now (with the new agreement), sites like UG will probably (not definitely) have to end up going the musicnotes.com direction to stay legal. Hopefully they won't cost $5 to download though.

bluesrocker101
11-29-2006, 09:05 PM
There's always Canada and/or Mexico ;)

:haha a Canadian UG... (don't flame, I'm Canadian)

Gutch220
11-29-2006, 09:10 PM
the servers need to go to somewhere where they don't recognized copyright infringement

sempri_fi
11-29-2006, 10:43 PM
put them in space
nobody owns space
anyone got the billion dollars to shuttle it?

but its really sad that they're trying to close all of the tab sites down
although mx is back up now the mpa is problably going to have their ass soon
as for ug though,
there will always be a UG
they can contain tab, it will always be here, if they do suceede in shutting all of the tab sites we should all form a gorrilla army and just take out everyone who opposes tab, like all of the money hungry executives
the actuall musicians barely see any of the money that comes from lisenced tabs, it all goes to the record companys

and really, you can move the servers to australia, they dont have any copyright infringement laws really, thats where kazaa is based out of

deluxity
11-29-2006, 10:43 PM
:)

:cheers:


lol

well, i hope ug diesbt shut down, it's the best site for tabs, and it's free and it has a cool community

MuffinMan
11-30-2006, 04:34 PM
They could never shut down UG. Their main problem is the pit, it simply contains too much buttsecks! Even the MPA can't handle the sheer amount of buttsecks the pit can produce.

/worries

SForbz-Rockstar
11-30-2006, 05:09 PM
the servers need to go to somewhere where they don't recognized copyright infringement

I say Canada, they don't recognise anything...

SGstriker
11-30-2006, 09:32 PM
If they do shutdown, we should have every person download all the tabs from the band that they are designated. If one of us ever needs a tab, we could talk to the person that has the tab for the song we need on MSN or something like that. It just might work...

sempri_fi
12-01-2006, 12:35 AM
If they do shutdown, we should have every person download all the tabs from the band that they are designated. If one of us ever needs a tab, we could talk to the person that has the tab for the song we need on MSN or something like that. It just might work...

there is actually some thought to that

it would work as long as everyone pitched in a little
kinda like a secret society or something
maby we should setup a groundwork for it now so it isnt rushed later
and UG could just become a forum and a big list of who to talk to to get the tab you want

SGstriker
12-01-2006, 01:19 AM
^ yeah. Can't let the government know bout this though

<_<

>_>

198x
12-01-2006, 06:36 AM
If they do shutdown, we should have every person download all the tabs from the band that they are designated. If one of us ever needs a tab, we could talk to the person that has the tab for the song we need on MSN or something like that. It just might work...
This wouldn't work... I'd put you on my block list on purpose :P

Best get your orders in now...
Last dibs on Stairway to Heaven I don't want people bothering me every 5 minutes, you see

Gurgle!Argh!
12-01-2006, 09:55 AM
It doesn't matter how old it is, it has answered all the questions about UG paying royalties.

Sheesh, let the arguement go.

no, it hasnt. UG pays royalties under the ROMS system, which is, in all fairness, a total joke. the ROMS system is also the one which allofmp3.com uses. both websites are currently legal under russian legislation. however, because of the high profile allofmp3.com has gained, russia is now under pressure to amend its royalties system, so that allofmp3.com and similar sites will no longer be legal. when this happens (and it will happen soon), UG will no longer be legal either.

saying 'oh, but UG pays for a license so its legal' is meaningless, because soon the license UG uses wont exist any more.

Witch-king
12-01-2006, 10:57 AM
^God damn.

add45
12-03-2006, 11:28 AM
no, it hasnt. UG pays royalties under the ROMS system, which is, in all fairness, a total joke. the ROMS system is also the one which allofmp3.com uses. both websites are currently legal under russian legislation. however, because of the high profile allofmp3.com has gained, russia is now under pressure to amend its royalties system, so that allofmp3.com and similar sites will no longer be legal. when this happens (and it will happen soon), UG will no longer be legal either.

saying 'oh, but UG pays for a license so its legal' is meaningless, because soon the license UG uses wont exist any more.


That's a pretty scary thought :(

Andrew Zara
12-03-2006, 02:00 PM
no, it hasnt. UG pays royalties under the ROMS system, which is, in all fairness, a total joke. the ROMS system is also the one which allofmp3.com uses. both websites are currently legal under russian legislation. however, because of the high profile allofmp3.com has gained, russia is now under pressure to amend its royalties system, so that allofmp3.com and similar sites will no longer be legal. when this happens (and it will happen soon), UG will no longer be legal either.

saying 'oh, but UG pays for a license so its legal' is meaningless, because soon the license UG uses wont exist any more.

To sum that up, UG's license to have tabs up is going to end due to this new document. The only thing UG can do is move somewhere else....

Yakult
12-03-2006, 02:08 PM
^ Or become a pay site. I'm down with paying a not-too severe annual fee

Andrew Zara
12-03-2006, 02:11 PM
^ Or become a pay site. I'm down with paying a not-too severe annual fee

Hey, congrats on winning for presidency. Anyways, if it's not over 5$ I'll probably pay, but if it's anything over 5, I'll have to think about it.

Gibson Phoney
12-03-2006, 02:57 PM
Or have it a pay site which has a bug in it which actually means you can dl for free

Inahrima
12-09-2006, 03:53 AM
I swear they are going to ban LEARNING songs next :mad:

FrenchyFungus
12-09-2006, 04:03 AM
Oh,no, they'd never do that.

You're just never allowed to play them

:rolleyes:

Pisses me the fuvk off that people can't say "thid id how I play this song"

AdamDK
12-09-2006, 05:43 AM
Or have it a pay site which has a bug in it which actually means you can dl for free

+2 :D

Inahrima
12-09-2006, 12:46 PM
Oh,no, they'd never do that.

You're just never allowed to play them

:rolleyes:

Pisses me the fuvk off that people can't say "thid id how I play this song"

It took me a while there to get what you were saying :(

Hehe yeah, those lazy bastards are annoying. You know the ones just skip properly learning the hard parts and go

"dude, I don't need to learn. I improvise :cool: "
Me: "what the hell that? :confused:"

It would be okay if they were half decent though.

False_God
12-09-2006, 07:38 PM
If they do shutdown, we should have every person download all the tabs from the band that they are designated. If one of us ever needs a tab, we could talk to the person that has the tab for the song we need on MSN or something like that. It just might work...
Im with you on that man. Or put them on torrents etc. like people have GP's for every band their its great!!

MetalUpTheAss
12-10-2006, 08:38 PM
UG pays.

The servers aren't in Russia or the US or the UK.

Good ole' international waters. Where a man can marry a horse, and tabs are free!

robertreilly666
12-10-2006, 08:57 PM
you could always put the servers in my place.

ill be damned if any law dog will be getting in here without permission.

justin_fraser
12-10-2006, 09:40 PM
Ya just move the damn site to the middle east of frickin norway if we have too. No big deal. And if we couldnt, and we had to pay, I dont think I would pay that much. However, if we did have to pay, that would mean only serious people would come to UG. Oooooh, I kinda like that idea. But, lets keep it to around 5 bucks a year. :haha Im a struggling musician/student. Its hard making a living.

Carnivean
12-10-2006, 09:51 PM
u get 100,000 users, each paying 5 bucks a year.. thats enough I tink :)

That_Pink_Queen
12-10-2006, 09:57 PM
we should all form a gorrilla army and just take out everyone who opposes tab, like all of the money hungry executives

:haha :haha

It's GUERRILLA.


and really, you can move the servers to australia, they dont have any copyright infringement laws really, thats where kazaa is based out of


:rolleyes:

I thought we all knew by now that Australia is the US's bitch.

Nelshizzle
12-10-2006, 10:23 PM
:haha :haha

It's GUERRILLA.

I think that an army of gorrilla's would be a lot more effective. The MPA wouldn't know what hit em.

sempri_fi
12-11-2006, 01:16 AM
no
i ment the animal gorillas

they can tear your face and balls of, at the same time :eek:

and the hippys would stand up for them because they have "animal" rights :rolleyes:

gtrfrk123
12-16-2006, 12:39 AM
if we do have to take the tabs off, or have to pay for them, couldn't we just copy them and paste and make a forum with a random name and hide all the tabs in there? or a stickied thread and on some random pages will be all the tabs on here. i know it sounds silly and a chilidish like scheme, but something similar could work.

toolfan_121
12-16-2006, 12:48 AM
I hate those damn greedy government ****s.

there's gotta be a loophole somewhere. just have to find it.

garden of grey
12-18-2006, 01:20 AM
I think that an army of gorrilla's would be a lot more effective. The MPA wouldn't know what hit em.


Probably a giant gorilla fist lol...

xifr
12-18-2006, 03:13 AM
pah, the stupidity of these organizations baffles me. Even if they shut down every single tab site, then guess what? Torrents. Have fun with that ****ers.