Hagstrom Swede vs. Epiphone Les Paul Custom


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Burpbelly
01-18-2007, 01:27 PM
Hi all - I've been looking for a new guitar for a little while now and i think I've narrowed it down to these two The Hagstrom Swede and The Epiphone Les Paul Custom.

Les Paul
http://www.imuso.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?StockCode=EG01032

Swede
http://www.thomann.de/gb/hagstrom_swede_tc.htm
I like the idea of the two switches on this one

Obviously the les paul has more "prestige", but then I've heard really good things about Hagstrom and was wondering if anyone has had the oppurtunity to play either (or both). Obviously many people will have played the Les Paul but I was wondering what the "fastest neck in the world" (Hagstrom site) was like - My guitar store doesn't stock them - Les Pauls I can do though...

Anyway they're both in my price range, they're both the same sort of style that I'm looking at (les paul-esque) but I don't know how the Hagstrom would compare...any help would be greatly appreciated...

EDIT: Also what about a black beauty? They look brilliant and again it's the sort of style and it's just about in my price range (extra couple of weeks work), but what does the extra humbucker add to the sound?

Oh also people saying try them: that isn't really possible. I've played the les paul and thought that it was a bit heavy but otherwise really good, now in order for me to try the hagstrom or black beauty I would have to travel a long long way. My local shops sell Squiers, Epiphones, Gibsons and Fenders and the occaisional PRS. Not the biggest selection.

danzig-_-
01-18-2007, 01:33 PM
ive played both, they were pretty much identicle. the hagstrom was very good LP, just as good as the epi
i didnt find the hagstrom neck to be any faster at all
i would just get a custom, much more aesthetically pleasing

FacingUsAll
01-18-2007, 01:37 PM
You need to play both and see which neck you like better.

All of the Hagstroms I've played have sounded better than Epiphones I've compared them to.

BodaciousBob
01-18-2007, 01:38 PM
I bought an Epi LP from iMuso and it's terrible. I can't say much for the Hagstrom however it does have a 30 day money back guaruntee so if you don't like it send it back.

MrCarrot
01-18-2007, 01:40 PM
I bought an Epi LP from iMuso and it's terrible. I can't say much for the Hagstrom however it does have a 30 day money back guaruntee so if you don't like it send it back.And would that be the special? Because they are shocking.

My Epiphone LP is certainly very nice. The hagstrom looks weird to me. But I must point out that looks don't really matter.

fisher6
01-18-2007, 01:42 PM
I've played both and I would take the Hagstrom. Hands down.

In fact, I'm buying one myself in the near future.

The McManus
01-18-2007, 01:45 PM
I'd go with the Les Paul... I have one and I absolutely love it...

forsaknazrael
01-18-2007, 01:58 PM
Original Hagstroms are amazing. The reissues aren't quite like em, but they're still pretty cool.

Personally, I say go with the Hagstrom, they play great. The necks are thinner than on an Epi LP because of the method of strengthening the neck they use. So if that's for you, go for it.

Plus, you'll be the only kid on block with one.

ColdGin
01-18-2007, 02:09 PM
Swede
http://www.thomann.de/gb/hagstrom_swede_tc.htm


Awww man, they're re-issueing them ?

Haggies are sooooo cool !!!!
Really gotta get me one.


:down: :down: :down:

forsaknazrael
01-18-2007, 02:14 PM
They're not quite like the old ones...Updated hardware...build are slightly different...but they're good guitars.

Burpbelly
01-20-2007, 08:01 PM
Ye thinking about it the hagstrom does seem a better choice than the les paul...the only problem I have is not actually being able to play it beforehand because my local shop really doesn't stock 'em. Pity really...cos I'm not sure that buying a guitar without trying it first is best...mind you that worked with my casino...

forsaknazrael
01-21-2007, 03:56 AM
Try to find a site with a good return policy. That's your best bet.
And the Black Beauty isn't that great. I don't find the extra pickup on a LP that useful.

DCatHome
02-13-2007, 06:12 PM
Out of all the reissues the Swede and SuperSwede are the only ones with cool. The rest are just generic guitars with a branded headstock.

The Superswede has the longer Fender scale and coil tap but no zero fret like the originals.

The Swede has the double toggle to flick tone settings in addition to dial settings.

That said there are plenty of originals around still at reasonable prices, and they'll still be worth something when all the Chinese copies have gone back to sawdust.

Mind you with people waking up to the brand again those originals are getting some attention too! So if you are looking for a good deal - and a great investment, forget the new ones. An original will be as good as new probably, and you'll get more than your money back if you later decide follow a herd and shell out on a Gibson.

http://www.hagstrom.org.uk

woodenbandman
02-13-2007, 06:15 PM
IMO zerot frets are bad. I don't like them, and it's just one more thing to buzz.

I'd go Hagstrom. Epi Lps feel like a woman shaped torture device.

sicpuppy
02-13-2007, 06:15 PM
Be differen,t get the Hagsttrom!

DCatHome
02-13-2007, 08:55 PM
IMO zerot frets are bad. I don't like them, and it's just one more thing to buzz.

I'd go Hagstrom. Epi Lps feel like a woman shaped torture device.

If you'd heard the sustain and power of an original SuperSwede, you'd just buy and refret in the unlikely situation it needs it. The reissues are humbled by comparison... basic pickups, photo veneers etc - just like many new Chinese guitars. In fact they're more like an Epi with a Hag top placed on the end than they are the original models, so it makes little difference apart from the scale.

On evilbay the original SuperSwedes are rarer and are soaring in value, so just as an investment people should get an original now while they are still affordable. If you don't like it, I'll stand in the queue to buy it off you!

The original Swedes are still more affordable, and there are plenty around - to many that know... there's no contest!

Glad you recognize the Hagstroms, but get a real one!
To paraphrase... A Swedish shaped scorcher device?

forsaknazrael
02-14-2007, 12:18 AM
If you'd heard the sustain and power of an original SuperSwede, you'd just buy and refret in the unlikely situation it needs it. The reissues are humbled by comparison... basic pickups, photo veneers etc - just like many new Chinese guitars. In fact they're more like an Epi with a Hag top placed on the end than they are the original models, so it makes little difference apart from the scale.

On evilbay the original SuperSwedes are rarer and are soaring in value, so just as an investment people should get an original now while they are still affordable. If you don't like it, I'll stand in the queue to buy it off you!

The original Swedes are still more affordable, and there are plenty around - to many that know... there's no contest!

Glad you recognize the Hagstroms, but get a real one!
To paraphrase... A Swedish shaped scorcher device?
I really want one of the originals. So bad. I'm quite in love with the looks of the Hagstrom III. How do you feel about that one?

DCatHome
02-14-2007, 08:05 AM
The H-III is the original garageband must have. Very cult these days, and starting to get a bit expensive now. Very compact and light, but the variations of classic tone are amazing for what it is.

Don't believe me? Take a look at this video demo from a few years back. The little guy is not the best player, but he demo's twang through to distortion just by way of those quirky switches - no effects, dead clean 1965 Hagstrom valve amp:
H-III Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWXe8ACDU_s)

I've been hassled by names I can't begin to mention for finding one, in fact the one in the video above made it back to a special player in USA as it was the model he started out on age 13. I found another recently thank goodness, but it wasn't cheap.

http://www.hagstrom.org.uk/images/HagIII/JEFFBALL/HIIIONCASEUP.jpg

It was called F300 too by some dealers, hence the new ones have that model ref. But compare the old with the new? Ha Ha Ha Ha ;) ... forget it!

forsaknazrael
02-14-2007, 11:31 AM
Yeah, a coworker of mine has one - it was his first guitar...But he won't sell it to me! He doesn't think it's great a guitar, but it's got a sentimental value to him. Damn him! I want it.