Epiphone Dot, Sheraton or Casino?


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boyad
02-25-2007, 10:03 AM
Hey... Im trying to decide which of these Archtop models to buy.

Dot is nice, but Im "affraid" of buying it and repent of earning for a better one.
the Sheraton is way to muddy and jazzy, I dont really like it.
the Casino has a great tone and I loved it, the only problem is the feedback, but some people say that putting some foam rubber inside the guitar can help to stop unwanted feedback, is that true?

Also... I already have 2 guitars: a shitty Midland stratocaster and a classic guitar. I've been playing for... almost 5 years. I play rock, indie rock, rock n roll, and some alternative.

And I really want an Epi model.

wingedgopher
02-25-2007, 10:09 AM
The Casino won't feed back any more than the other two. They're all the same body.

boyad
02-25-2007, 10:13 AM
The Casino won't feed back any more than the other two. They're all the same body.
but the Casino is full-hollowbody the Dot and Sheraton are both semi-hollow, think thats why it feedbacks

Darren5591
02-25-2007, 10:20 AM
Epiphone Dots with new pups, the cherry red ones are beautiful. Cant help on the others though ^^

wingedgopher
02-25-2007, 10:26 AM
but the Casino is full-hollowbody the Dot and Sheraton are both semi-hollow, think thats why it feedbacks

Okay, my mistake. God does Epiphone's website suck...

HighVoltage559
02-25-2007, 10:30 AM
Epi's rock, get the Casino

forsaknazrael
02-25-2007, 10:42 AM
Cassssino. P-90's rule. I haven't heard anything about feedback with it...My guess....don't face your amp.

Siciliano
02-25-2007, 11:11 AM
Get the Dot. The neck is great and you can mod the electronics & pups. The sheraton has an uncomfortable neck.

boyad
02-25-2007, 11:14 AM
Im thinking between the Dot and the Casino, the Sheraton is very muddy

MrCarrot
02-25-2007, 11:23 AM
Casino, it just has a so far superior clean tone than the Dot plus IMO in VSB it's just impeccably sexy. Did I mention it plays like butter?

Oh, and it has a 'select maple body and spruce top' where the Dot is just plain declared 'laminated maple'.

boyad
02-25-2007, 11:28 AM
Casino, it just has a so far superior clean tone than the Dot plus IMO in VSB it's just impeccably sexy. Did I mention it plays like butter?

Oh, and it has a 'select maple body and spruce top' where the Dot is just plain declared 'laminated maple'.
so the Dot and Casino are similar in sound??

MrCarrot
02-25-2007, 12:37 PM
No, the Dot has humbuckers and the Casino has P90s.

P90s are basically fatter versions of the pickups found in Strats, a little fuller sounding. The cleans are a lot better than humbuckers.

Humbuckers are two single coils strapped together. This eliminates background noise and makes for a higher output pickup that sounds better distorted. The cleans are crap, though.

boyad
02-25-2007, 12:41 PM
No, the Dot has humbuckers and the Casino has P90s.

P90s are basically fatter versions of the pickups found in Strats, a little fuller sounding. The cleans are a lot better than humbuckers.

Humbuckers are two single coils strapped together. This eliminates background noise and makes for a higher output pickup that sounds better distorted. The cleans are crap, though.
so... if I play more cleans than distorsion I should get the Casino right? also I love that beatle-sound from the Casino

Keef-is-king
02-25-2007, 01:34 PM
I recomend the dot with new pickups.

Honestly the Dot is more useful to someone who plays at high volumes than a casino, and you can always drop in a P-94 pickup(a p-90 in a humbucker casing).

While the dot is a laminate body the piece of wood in the center block that the pickups are mounted in is a solid piece of maple, which is where a lot of the tone comes from.

MrCarrot
02-25-2007, 01:50 PM
so... if I play more cleans than distorsion I should get the Casino right? also I love that beatle-sound from the CasinoExactly right. If you like the tone of something, especially if you like it more than others, go for it.

forsaknazrael
02-25-2007, 01:52 PM
Honestly the Dot is more useful to someone who plays at high volumes than a casino, and you can always drop in a P-94 pickup(a p-90 in a humbucker casing).
P-94 just don't sound the same. Changing the shape of the bobbin and the way you wrap a coil is always gonna change the tone.

Also, the Casino's blonde finish is SO sexy. I need one.

WhereArtEsteban
02-25-2007, 02:19 PM
I just played all three of these a few weeks ago when I bought by Ibanez Hollow, and out of those three I would go for the Sheraton. It was definately the best.

boyad
02-25-2007, 02:25 PM
I just played all three of these a few weeks ago when I bought by Ibanez Hollow, and out of those three I would go for the Sheraton. It was definately the best.
the sheraton is too muddy, although I have to try it again on shop one of these days, but most people say the pickups from all epis suck and the ones from the sheraton I dont know why they sound too jazzy (although I didnt played it with distorsion and I tried it with a shitty Marhsall MG amp, thats why I have to try it again) though Im affraid it wont sound good for indie rock, and rock n roll :confused:

forsaknazrael
02-25-2007, 09:16 PM
Try it out with a better amp. The MG would be a poor example of its abilities.

boyad
02-25-2007, 09:22 PM
yeah someday I will go to the store to try it again and with distorsion, maybe that way sounds better and not so muddy

forsaknazrael
02-25-2007, 11:07 PM
Well, see if you can try them out on a different amp. Like a Vox AC30....that would be seeeexxxy. Casino on a AC30....

boyad
02-27-2007, 10:08 PM
today I tried the Sheraton and it really had a nice sound (through a Marshall MG) but I dont know which one to choose between the Sheraton and the Casino :confused:

forsaknazrael
02-27-2007, 10:11 PM
Dude, seriously, try them both out through a BETTER amp. An amp is 80% of your tone.
Most guitars sound alike through an MG.

boyad
02-27-2007, 10:20 PM
today I played the Sheraton through an MG amp and I played the Casino through a AVT amp...

forsaknazrael
02-27-2007, 10:28 PM
The AVT is better than the MG, but not by much.
Try it through a real amp. A tube amp.

boyad
02-27-2007, 10:41 PM
I went too many times to try those guitars... but I cant choose

on one hand: the Casino has a great sweet clean tone, while the distorsion is nothing to be surprised of, but it feedbacks very often

on the other hand: the Sheraton is very versatile, due to the fact that you can get many different sounds from it, distorsion is great, and cleans are warm.

echofreak
02-27-2007, 11:40 PM
the sheraton is really just a fancy dot to me. i say dot with new pickups like gibson is the best way to go.

dustinrhocks4
02-28-2007, 12:16 AM
never tried an epi hollowbody but mine is awsome, Its a hagstrom viking, wish I could have gotten the deluxe though. here's a link to both
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hagstrom-Viking-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=513354

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hagstrom-Viking-Deluxe-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=513353

I really like the tone I get out of it the only problem I have with is the grounding isn't that great so it hum's but I can always get it rewired to fix that. It is really good with distortion and has really nice cleans.

boyad
02-28-2007, 09:27 PM
the problem right now is that Im so confused

first I loved the Dot (before trying the Dot I played an Epi SG400 that I didnt like)
then I played the Casino and I loved it
and yesterday I played the Sheraton and it had a nice sound

I dont know what to do...

Keef-is-king
02-28-2007, 09:43 PM
go for the dot, and replace the pickups

you will not be saddened.

The neck is great, the upper fret access is better than the casino and the cleans sparkle with an upgrade

SupremeACL
02-28-2007, 09:59 PM
Get all 3?

pugnapugnapugna
02-28-2007, 10:35 PM
I like the Sheraton the most.

Butsku
03-05-2008, 06:21 AM
I am planning on buying Epi Dot (not studio). I want it to be on c standard (like Josh Homme has, though I have to say that I thought of buying Dot before I knew Homme plays one) all the time. Which pickups would you recommend on getting with such purpose? Do the P-94s handle low tunings well? How about strings? Which strings would suit my needs the best? I am going to play mostly with distortion on.

Paisley Strat
03-05-2008, 12:47 PM
I own a 1998 Epiphone Sheraton II in Antique Sunburst finish. It is a stock guitar. I really love this guitar. It is one of Epis top of the line models, and can be had for a great price, if you can find one. I bought mine used with case for $425. It was in mint condition, as if only played a few times. The tone is very unique, and is nice for rock, blues, jazz or pop. The only problem I have with it is some feedback and squeal. At high gain setting on my Fender or Marshall amps, I get a high pitched feedback, which is hard to get rid of unless I lower the gain, volume, or treble.
I love the fact that the guitar has all the nice visual appeal( Vine inlays on headstock, bound body and neck, fretboard inlays, nice finish, gold hardware). I think the DOT 335 looks like junk in comparison. The tone isn't there either. The Casino is a fine guitar, but with the P-90s, it has a thinner tone and not as full a sound. If you want some jangle-type sounds, go with the Casino. The Sheraton II or Casino are both nice guitars, so you can't go wrong with both. I would avoud the DOT due to it's cheap feel and look.

Suicidal_Brick
03-05-2008, 01:33 PM
The Sheraton sounds nice. I played it through an AC15, and it was a little muddy, but it does sound nice.

The neck is a little thick, so I would choose between the Sheraton and Casino.

Mahoru
03-05-2008, 02:13 PM
Out of those I'd go for the Sheraton. It's the only Epi I really like. Play it through a Vox AC30 and you'll hear it's real sound ;)

uldhppi
03-05-2008, 02:31 PM
Dots are decent. I liked the Ibanez AS73 much better, ended up buying one. You may want to try one also.

alekksi
03-10-2008, 12:59 PM
On the same subject, I'm looking into getting an Epiphone Dot, but I have also thought about the AS73. I really love the feel & sound of it, it kicks the crap out of my crappy squier. But I'm wondering what pickups would be good to replace the Dot's stock hums?

ricardosanTM
09-22-2009, 11:59 PM
On the same subject, I'm looking into getting an Epiphone Dot, but I have also thought about the AS73. I really love the feel & sound of it, it kicks the crap out of my crappy squier. But I'm wondering what pickups would be good to replace the Dot's stock hums?

Grab some Gibson '57s. My friend put some in his Sheraton, they sound AMAZING. And I also have some indecisive $&*!@*&($^!@ going on about the Casino.

I'm in my school's jazz band this year, and for about three years I've wanted the Casino. I know the Casino is a hollow body with P-90's and isn't made SPECIFICALLY for jazz, but I was wondering if it still makes a decent jazz box? I hear if you replace the stings with some nice flatwounds it gives off a nice, warm, mellow tone. Also,I hear if you put a towel or foam rubber inside the body, it reduces the hum? Please answer my questions ;__; Domo arigato. :D

forsaknazrael
09-23-2009, 01:35 AM
You needn't revive a super old thread like this. I see you just joined...make sure to check the last post date before reviving a thread.
Starting a new one would have been fine, I think.

The Casino will be fine for jazz, though it will be a little punchy because of the single coils. Get familiar with the tone control - roll it down to get some warm jazz tones. I've used both a Strat and SG for a Jazz ensemble, and got some usable jazz tones - all while going into a Marshall JMP. >_>
Turning down the tone may also reduce audible hum.
Putting foam or a towel in the cavities can reduce the likeliness of feedback, but not hum.

nunopluis
02-24-2010, 07:45 PM
Reviving a good ol' thread. :shrug:
Which one of these will have a thinner neck?

Cause I have relatively small hands, and I'm thinking of buying an Epi 335 shape for my 2nd guitar.

Keep rockin'