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Andrewbiles
09-16-2007, 06:29 PM
Essential Links:

Allmusic's Indie-rock definition (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47318DF4EAA7520C59C3B56CCA371FB05DB50DA8611344754D5B97F4B82006AEA04E19F8CC7AD26F878AFE029BB580FD3CFA25EF6DC61373E8AFED71D&sql=77:4464)
Wikipedia's definition of Indie music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28music%29)
Elbows Music Blog Aggregator (http://elbo.ws/)
Free Indie (www.freeindie.com)
Gorilla vs. Bear (http://gorillavsbear.blogspot.com/)
Tiny Mix Tapes (http://www.tinymixtapes.com/)
Brooklyn Vegan (http://www.brooklynvegan.com/)
KEXP (http://depts.washington.edu/kexp/blog/)
UG Alt & Indie board's Audioscrobbler/Last.fm group (http://www.last.fm/group/Ultimate-guitar%2BAlternative%2Band%2BIndie%2BBoard) - thanks to pumpkins_rule
Past Alt & Indie AOTW's (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336814)

Record Labels:

4AD (http://www.4ad.com)
Arts & Crafts (http://www.arts-crafts.ca)
Barsuk (http://www.barsuk.com)
Constellation Records (http://www.cstrecords.com)
French Kiss Records (http://www.frenchkissrecords.com/)
Hush Records (http://www.hushrecords.com/)
Kill Rock Stars (http://www.killrockstars.com)
Matador Records (http://www.matadorrecords.com/)
Motive Sounds (http://www.motivesounds.com/)
Rough Trade Records (http://www.roughtraderecords.com/)
SST (http://sstsuperstore.nextrendmarketing.com/)
Sub Pop (http://www.subpop.com/)
Temporary Residence (http://www.temporaryresidence.com/)
Touch And Go (http://www.touchandgorecords.com/)
Xtra Mile Recordings (http://www.xtramilerecordings.com)


Good webzines/blogs/magazines:

Adrian's Album Reviews (http://www.adriandenning.co.uk/azreviews.html)
Arthur Mag (http://www.arthurmag.com)
La Blogotheque: Take-Away Shows (http://www.blogotheque.net/-Concerts-a-emporter-?lang=en)
Bradley's Almanac (http://www.bradleysalmanac.com)
Daytrotter Sessions (http://www.daytrotter.com)
Julian Cope Presents Head Heritage (http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung)
Indie Workshop (http://indieworkshop.com)
Music (for robots) (http://music.for-robots.com/)
Pitchfork Media (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com)
Scaruffi's (http://www.scaruffi.com/music.html)
Stereogum (http://www.stereogum.com)
Trouser Press (http://www.trouserpress.com/)
We Want The Airwaves Back (www.airwavesback.com)


Books:

33 1/3 Series (http://www.continuumbooks.com/) - Continuum International Publishing
A History of Rock Music: 1951-2000 (http://www.scaruffi.com/history/long.html) - iUniverse.com
Japrocksampler - Julian Cope
Krautrocksampler - Julian Cope
Labels Unlimited Series (http://www.bdpworld.com/) - Black Dog Publishing
Our Band Could Be Your Life: Scenes From The American Indie Underground 1981-1991 - Michael Azerrad
Unknown Legends of Rock n Roll - Richie Unterberger


Films:

24 Hour Party People
The Devil & Daniel Johnston
Heima


Shops: (for local shops check posts - I have a feeling there may become quite a few)

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com) (UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk))
Amoeba Music (http://www.amoeba.com)
Boomkat (http://www.boomkat.com)
Darla (http://www.darla.com)
Ebay (http://www.ebay.com) (UK (http://www.ebay.co.uk))
eMusic (http://www.emusic.com) (The bargain indie download store)
Fopp (http://www.fopp.co.uk)
GEMM (http://www.gemm.com)
Insound (http://www.insound.com)
Net Sounds Music (http://www.netsoundsmusic.com/)
Newbury Comics (http://www.newburycomics.com)
Rough Trade (http://www.roughtrade.com)
Select a Disc (http://www.selectadisc.co.uk)
Sister Ray (http://www.sisterray.co.uk)
Tap Into Music (http://www.tapintomusic.com)


Essential albums: (ones that'll last the test of time, not just stuff known about for a week and then forgotten)

1965

Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited

1966

The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
The Beatles - Revolver

1967

Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
Love - Forever Changes
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico

1968

The Beatles - The Beatles
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
The Mothers of Invention (Frank Zappa) - We're Only In It For The Money
The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat

1969

Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
MC5 - Kick out the Jams

1970

Amon Dl II - Yeti
Cat Stevens - Tea For The Tillerman
The Stooges - Fun House
Yoko Ono - Plastic Ono Band

1971

Can - Tago Mago

1972

Big Star - #1 Record
David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders From Mars
Lou Reed - Transformer
Nick Drake - Pink Moon

1974
Faust - Faust IV

1975

Brian Eno - Another Green World
Neil Young - Tonight's The Night
Neu! - Neu! '75
Patti Smith - Horses

1977

The Clash - The Clash
David Bowie - Low
Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express
Television - Marquee Moon
Wire - Pink Flag

1978

Elvis Costello - This Year's Model
Devo - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo

1979

The Clash - London Calling
Gang of Four - Entertainment!
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
The Pop Group - Y
Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps

1980

Joy Division - Closer
Talking Heads - Remain in Light

1981

Black Flag - Damaged

1982

The Cure - Pornography
Dexy's Midnight Runners - Too-Rye-Ay
Mission of Burma - Vs

1983

REM - Murmur
Violent Femmes - Violent Femmes

1984

Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime
The Replacements - Let It Be
The Smiths - The Smiths

1985

The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
The Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs

1986

The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
Sonic Youth - EVOL
XTC - Skylarking

1987

Big Black - Songs About ****ing
Dinosaur Jr - You're Living All Over Me
Sonic Youth - Sister

1988

Dinosaur Jr - Bug
My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden

1989

A.R.Kane - "i"
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
The Cure - Disintegration
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Fugazi - 13 Songs
Pixies - Doolittle
The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses

1990

Fugazi - Repeater
Ride - Nowhere
Depeche Mode - Violator

1991

My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Nirvana - Nevermind
Primal Scream - Screamadelica
Sebadoh - III
Slint - Spiderland
Teenage Fanclub - Bandwagonesque

1992

Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill

1993

Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
Nirvana - In Utero
Slowdive - Souvlaki
The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Suede - Suede

1994

Beck - Mellow Gold
Blur - Parklife
Guided By Voices - Bee Thousand
Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
Jeff Buckley - Grace
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Portishead - Dummy
Shellac - At Action Park
Suede - Dog Man Star
Weezer - The Blue Album

1995

Bjork - Post
Blind Melon - Soup
Palace - Viva Last Blues
Pulp - Different Class
Scott Walker - Tilt
The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

1996

Beck - Odelay
Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads

1997

Bjork - Homogenic
Mogwai - Young Team
Radiohead - OK Computer
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space
The Verve - Urban Hymns
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One

1998

Air - Moon Safari
Cat Power - Moon Pix
Elliott Smith - X/O
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over the Sea
Unwound - Challenge For Civilised Society

1999

Built To Spill - Keep It Like A Secret
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy - I See A Darkness
The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
Sigur Ros - gtis Byrjun

2000

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
Modest Mouse - The Moon and Antartica
Radiohead - Kid A

2001

Daft Punk - Discovery
Low - Things We Lost In The Fire
The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2
The Strokes - Is this it?

2002

Bright Eyes - Lifted, or the Story....
Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it In People
The Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts
The Libertines - Up the Bracket
The Mountain Goats - Tallahassee
Songs: Ohia - Didn't It Rain
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

2003

Damien Rice - O
Death Cab For Cutie - Transatlanticism
M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts
The Shins - Chutes too Narrow
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever To Tell

2004

The Arcade Fire - Funeral
Iron & Wine - Our Endless Numbered Days
Les Savy Fav - Inches
Sufjan Stevens - Seven Swans

2005

Animal Collective - Feels
The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday
Lou Barlow - Emoh
MIA - Arular
The National - Alligator

2006

Grizzly Bear - Yellow House
Sunset Rubdown - Shut Up I Am Dreaming
TV On The Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain

2007

Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago
LCD Soundsystem - Sound Of Silver
Panda Bear - Person Pitch

revised: 12/17/09 by joe. special thank you to mr biles.

bah humbug
11-11-2007, 09:27 PM
F1r$t P0St
Anyway, nice to see Yo La Tengo

uhh_me?
11-11-2007, 09:30 PM
this list is nice. i like.

Doolittle
11-11-2007, 09:35 PM
Neat d00dz

K-Lizzle
11-11-2007, 09:36 PM
Ahh. Elvis Costello.

He makes this list deck.

Fugazirancid
11-11-2007, 09:37 PM
i dig.

lolmnt
11-11-2007, 09:40 PM
Love the list. It's introduced me to some new bands/ artists, including Nick Drake, who is amazing.

julio1987
11-11-2007, 09:48 PM
Why is this thread open now? RIP old thread...

I think the vast majority of the people here will submit In Rainbows :p:

lolmnt
11-11-2007, 09:49 PM
In Rainbows is very good

RHCP94
11-11-2007, 09:53 PM
Ahh. Elvis Costello.

He makes this list deck.
+1000 Although, the album that is suggested should be "My Aim Is True", IMO.

uhh_me?
11-11-2007, 10:01 PM
two suggestions.

1)epitonic seems to be all but dead. it hasn't been updated since sometime last year, the community link is broken, and the radio streams don't work.

2)perhaps under websites add tinymixtapes (http://tinymixtapes.com) and brooklynvegan (http://www.brooklynvegan.com/)

K-Lizzle
11-11-2007, 10:01 PM
I agree. If This Year's Model made it, so should that one.

Although I think This Year's Model is a leeeetle bit better.

j0nmcc
11-11-2007, 10:04 PM
:cheers:

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-11-2007, 10:08 PM
Yup, I gotta say - 'My Aim Is True' needs to be on that list.

I also suggest 'It Still Moves' from My Morning Jacket (2003)..c'mon you all know its awesome.

Anyways..wonderful job. :cheers:

K-Lizzle
11-11-2007, 10:10 PM
And Gorilla vs. Bear. That's an excellent blog.

RHCP94
11-11-2007, 10:11 PM
My Morning Jacket - Z? At an overglance, I didn't see any of their albums.
EDIT: Ha, Wylde beat me to it.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-11-2007, 10:13 PM
'Z' is so great, but I think 'It Still Moves' stands as there grand performance and overall most popular album. I think 'Z' did a fine job of topping it though and I think I'd take 'Z' over it.

uhh_me?
11-11-2007, 10:14 PM
And Gorilla vs. Bear. That's an excellent blog.
i agree.

RHCP94
11-11-2007, 10:17 PM
Oh, and Devendra Banhart's "Rejoicing In the Hands" or "Nino Rojo". Your choice.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-11-2007, 10:19 PM
Did I just see Cat Stevens on that list?!

Props.

RHCP94
11-11-2007, 10:21 PM
I also think Cold Roses - Ryan Adams should be on the list. Please stop me if I'm talking out of my ass.

Andrewbiles
11-11-2007, 10:21 PM
There are so many good blogs out there which is a bit of a problem, but GvB, TMT and BV will get added as they are amongst the best.

As for MMJ, personally I don't think they're exactly essential, don't know what the overall consensus of this forum is though, so we wait ;)
'In rainbows' won't go up.
I think there may have to be a rule stating that albums have to be a couple of years old - so next year 2005 can be added - and also a limit of 2 or 3 albums per band. Tried to limit it to two albums on the old list, so should try and stick with it, then you're not suggested (for example) Radiohead and then given four albums as a starting point and still lost of which to pick up.

uhh_me?
11-11-2007, 10:25 PM
the 2 or 3 year rule is a good one. by putting distance between the hype factor and the actual album you will certainly have a better idea of how good it is.

K-Lizzle
11-11-2007, 10:27 PM
We need some Apples In Stereo in there, peepz. Like... oh, I dunno. Fun Trick Noisemaker, Science Faire, Tone Soul Evolution, Her Wallpaper Reverie, The Discovery of a World Inside the Moone...

I can't really pick. Let's have a vote.

Andrewbiles
11-11-2007, 10:27 PM
the 2 or 3 year rule is a good one. by putting distance between the hype factor and the actual album you will certainly have a better idea of how good it is.

Yeah exactly, give it time to settle and see which are still memorable.
Edited the links, also added in Elbo.ws which I highly recommend everyone on here checks out.

uhh_me?
11-11-2007, 10:29 PM
that elbo.ws site seems very similar to the hype machine (http://hypem.com/)

Andrewbiles
11-11-2007, 10:33 PM
Yeah it's pretty much the same idea, always found elbows a much easier place to navigate though - despite it's crappy facelift over the summer.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-11-2007, 11:55 PM
As for MMJ, personally I don't think they're exactly essential, don't know what the overall consensus of this forum is though, so we wait ;)

I always got the vibe that 'It Still Moves' got the same kind of recognition 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot' got..meaning it got relatively big and welcomed etc etc.

And where do we stand on 'My Aim Is True', hmm? ;)

DorkusMalorkus
11-12-2007, 01:40 AM
I think Parenthetical Girls should be on the list. They is crazy good, though they aren't that big, and I guess, therefore non-essential.

Arthur Curry
11-12-2007, 01:46 AM
Animal Collective, Of Montreal, and The Unicorns please.



This is a really good list though.

K-Lizzle
11-12-2007, 02:40 AM
Animal Collective, Of Montreal, and The Unicorns please.



This is a really good list though.
Ja, most def'. Specifically Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone by the Unicorns, and Cherry Peel and/or Satanic Panic In The Attic by Of Montreal.

And go ahead and put Hearts Of Oak by Ted Leo + Pharmacists on there, also.

I would say add Look Now Look Again by Rainer Maria, but they're emo.

uhh_me?
11-12-2007, 02:50 AM
Ja, most def'. Specifically Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone by the Unicorns, and Cherry Peel and/or Satanic Panic In The Attic by Of Montreal.

And go ahead and put Hearts Of Oak by Ted Leo + Pharmacists on there, also.

I would say add Look Now Look Again by Rainer Maria, but they're emo.
i think "the gay parade" would be a better choice for an of montreal album.

bah humbug
11-12-2007, 11:06 AM
i think "the gay parade" would be a better choice for an of montreal album.
+1, it's far better

Fugazirancid
11-12-2007, 11:20 AM
the dismemberment plan's "emergency and i" is a classic. not sure if it's essential but i'm just throwing that out there

European Son
11-12-2007, 12:29 PM
How about marking the albums that really aren't Alt/Indie with an 'X' or something? So that when people buy/download/shoplift e.g. Paul's Boutique, they wont expect a Indie Rock album. Just a suggestion.

K-Lizzle
11-12-2007, 12:32 PM
I like how you threw "shoplift" in there. Hah.

pumpkins_rule
11-12-2007, 07:21 PM
Good list.

bah humbug
11-12-2007, 07:26 PM
nice to see teenage fanclub

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-12-2007, 09:06 PM
Ooh, Teenage Fanclub.

How about marking the albums that really aren't Alt/Indie with an 'X' or something? So that when people buy/download/shoplift e.g. Paul's Boutique, they wont expect a Indie Rock album. Just a suggestion.

If were gonna do that, throw some Wu on there.

Knife2aGunFight
11-13-2007, 06:04 PM
the dismemberment plan's "emergency and i" is a classic. not sure if it's essential but i'm just throwing that out there
agrees

.smudged.
11-14-2007, 08:58 PM
I disagree with The Smiths (album) They have much better stuff. The first album is kinda raw IMO

fallenangel20
11-19-2007, 02:31 AM
Love the list. It's introduced me to some new bands/ artists, including Nick Drake, who is amazing.

+1

The Rec. lists on UG always help me out intensely.

FrenchyFungus
11-19-2007, 08:05 AM
How about adding www.magnatune.com to the first page?

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-22-2007, 12:44 PM
Teenage Fanclub r00l3z.

K-Lizzle
11-22-2007, 03:24 PM
Skraight-up.

"Catholic Education" is one of the catchiest semi-instrumental jamz ever written.

bah humbug
11-22-2007, 04:33 PM
bandwagonesque ftw
awesome title too..

K-Lizzle
11-22-2007, 11:04 PM
Y'know, a while back I was going through my dad's old CD's and I found Bandwagonesque. I was all, "No way, Dad, you like Teenage Fanclub?" And he told me he never listened to it, that he must have gotten it free when he worked as a disc jockey.

Needless to say, I swiped it.

we do we do
11-23-2007, 09:03 PM
The Lonesome Crowded West - Modest Mouse, 1997

uhh_me?
11-23-2007, 09:17 PM
The Lonesome Crowded West - Modest Mouse, 1997
the moon and antarctica is already on the list. as much as i would agree that LCW is better, TMA is easier for someone to get into.

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
11-24-2007, 05:04 PM
I think "The Modern Lovers" should be added.

uhh_me?
11-24-2007, 05:15 PM
I think "The Modern Lovers" should be added.
i agree 100% on this one.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-24-2007, 06:33 PM
Who thinks 'Theres Nothing Wrong With Love' is far better than 'Keep It Like a Secret'?

I do! I say we swap 'em..or do we dare include both? ;)

bah humbug
11-24-2007, 06:55 PM
i think rufus wainwright should be on the list, he has some nice songs

lolmnt
11-24-2007, 07:23 PM
I think "The Modern Lovers" should be added.I also agree

Electric_sk8r
11-24-2007, 09:37 PM
love the strokes!!!

K-Lizzle
11-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Of course you do. It's physically impossible to do otherwise.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-26-2007, 06:16 PM
I say we throw some Mazzy Star on there.

All 3 albums are great, so you pick.

K-Lizzle
11-27-2007, 01:19 AM
So Tonight That I Might See is probably yo' best bet.

European Son
11-27-2007, 07:39 AM
Reckoning - REM

Or Automatic For The People. They are both essential IMO.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-27-2007, 07:56 AM
So Tonight That I Might See is probably yo' best bet.

Listen to this lovely lady.

K-Lizzle
11-27-2007, 09:07 AM
Are you referring to Hope Sandoval, or yours truly?

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-27-2007, 04:41 PM
Oh, you know. ;)

K-Lizzle
11-27-2007, 05:06 PM
Aw shucks.

UMadeMeRealise
11-27-2007, 08:05 PM
Reckoning - REM

Or Automatic For The People. They are both essential IMO.

Automatic. And maybe Out of Time.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
11-27-2007, 08:15 PM
Mazzy Star better get on there.

NagaSadow
12-08-2007, 09:14 PM
Surfer Rosa and Pinkerton aren't on this list for some ungodly reason.

pumpkins_rule
12-08-2007, 11:35 PM
Mazzy Star are ill.

WyldeGibsonPlyr
12-09-2007, 02:05 AM
I still see no Mazzy Star nod.

Now I am pissed. :p:

Tsunoyukami
12-09-2007, 12:03 PM
I say this list needs:

Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone by The Unicorns
Automatic for the People by R.E.M.
( ) by Sigur Ros

Other than that I think the list is pretty gosh darn good.

Doolittle
12-09-2007, 08:05 PM
needs more Richard Hell...

Radio Addict
12-09-2007, 08:09 PM
I'd say "In Utero" is MUCH more "indie" than Nevermind...Nevermind was sooooooo commericial!

lolmnt
12-09-2007, 08:16 PM
I say this list needs:

Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone by The Unicorns
Automatic for the People by R.E.M.
( ) by Sigur Ros

Other than that I think the list is pretty gosh darn good.The more REM the better

rush4life
12-12-2007, 06:09 PM
I'd say "In Utero" is MUCH more "indie" than Nevermind...Nevermind was sooooooo commericial!

But it's still Alternative, and it is the Alternative & Indie forum.

pumpkins_rule
12-12-2007, 06:19 PM
I'd say "In Utero" is MUCH more "indie" than Nevermind...Nevermind was sooooooo commericial!

Lol.

trackmind
12-13-2007, 11:23 AM
Red House Painters - Red House Painters (Rollercoaster)
Surfer Rosa - Pixies

UMadeMeRealise
12-18-2007, 09:19 PM
There's no Surfer Rosa? That's practically sinful!

lolmnt
12-18-2007, 09:34 PM
:eek: I didn't even notice that :eek:

I'm shocked, SHOCKED!!!

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
12-23-2007, 06:19 PM
Along with my previous suggestion, I think the following should be added:

Sugar - Copper Blue (1992)
American Music Club - Everclear (1991)

and maybe something by Daniel Johnston? I know he didn't have any 'classic' indie albums but maybe "Songs of Pain" or "Hi, How Are You?" should be added as a starting point to any new-comers looking to dive into his discography.

EDIT: about Richard Hell... I know he's great and all but I'm not sure he should be on a list of essential ''indie' albums. Punk? definitely. If you are going to add one it should be Blank Generation though :D

Doolittle
12-23-2007, 06:26 PM
^I hear what you're saying but you could tell he had some effect on the garage rock indie bands, if you catch my drift.

Also Sugar should be added to the list, not many people listen to them!

K-Lizzle
12-24-2007, 02:30 AM
Ack, I almost forgot about Sugar! That Bob Mould has so many strokes of brilliance going on, it's hard to keep up.

trackmind
12-27-2007, 11:03 AM
needs more Richard Hell...
As much as I love Richard Hell, none of his albums are really essential. They are essential to me, seeing as I love his music, but not to everybody, and certainly not in the Alt/Indie Forum. Then again, that's jut my 2 cents.

Insanity^2
01-09-2008, 06:15 PM
The Good, the Bad, and the Queen - Self-titled?
Technically the band's unnamed but they're pretty good.

sponj
01-09-2008, 06:23 PM
good != essential

uhh_me?
01-24-2008, 10:41 PM
are 2005 albums eligible now?
if so i nominate Separation Sunday by The Hold Steady.

pumpkins_rule
01-25-2008, 11:45 PM
I nominate Grizzly Bear - Yellow House just because it's probably the best album of the past five years (and that's saying A LOT)

UMadeMeRealise
01-26-2008, 09:24 PM
Does M.I.A. count? If so, then we need Arular (2005).

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
01-27-2008, 08:14 AM
Does anyone else think that Girlfreind by Matthew Sweet should be added to the list?

pumpkins_rule
01-27-2008, 02:26 PM
No M.i.a.

uhh_me?
01-27-2008, 02:36 PM
i tend to disagree. Arular was a very solid album.

here is my list of possible 2005 releases:
MIA - Arular
The National - Alligator
Animal Collective - Feels
Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise
LCD Soundsystem - s/t
Deerhoof - The Runners Four
The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday

UMadeMeRealise
01-27-2008, 08:43 PM
No M.i.a.
:no:

And uhh_me, I agree with your entire list.

SugarRush66
01-28-2008, 06:13 PM
I have no idea if any of these have been mentioned already, or if they're even on the original list, but I'd say:

Bloc Party - Bloc Party
65daysofstatic - The Fall Of Math
Weezer - The Blue Album
Idlewild - The Remote Part

bah humbug
01-28-2008, 09:06 PM
I have no idea if any of these have been mentioned already, or if they're even on the original list, but I'd say:

Bloc Party - Bloc Party
65daysofstatic - The Fall Of Math
Weezer - The Blue Album
Idlewild - The Remote Part
:no: that doesn't exist

lolmnt
01-28-2008, 09:09 PM
I think he means Silent Alarm

SugarRush66
01-29-2008, 09:29 AM
Oh. My. God. :eek:

What the hell was I thinking of. Indie cred in tatters now :sad:

bah humbug
01-29-2008, 09:53 PM
^sorry!

Machine Gun Cat
02-14-2008, 02:37 AM
The Alternative to Alternative is rock

Andrewbiles
02-14-2008, 09:10 AM
Yep, 2005 is now open for debate.

Here are some to think about.

MIA - Arular
The National - Alligator
Animal Collective - Feels
Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise
LCD Soundsystem - s/t
Deerhoof - The Runners Four
The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday
Lou Barlow - Emoh
Camille - Le Fil
Orange Juice - The Glasgow School

Personally I wouldn't go for Sufjan or LCD as we already have 'Seven Swans' up, which in my opinion is superior to the rest of his work, and I just don't like LCD Soundsystem.

sponj
02-14-2008, 10:20 AM
i vote for the national

FrenchyFungus
02-14-2008, 10:21 AM
Emoh is a fantastic album.

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
02-14-2008, 10:55 AM
I think Emoh should definitely be added. IMO, it was the best album of 05.

UMadeMeRealise
02-14-2008, 01:33 PM
Arular!

arcticm1
02-14-2008, 08:16 PM
wheres bloc party silent alarm

that albums killer

and kasabian their album was mega as well

Andrewbiles
02-14-2008, 09:05 PM
Sorry, Kasabian will not make the list. Bloc Party possibly. Might have to do some kind of poll at some point.

pumpkins_rule
02-14-2008, 10:16 PM
wheres bloc party silent alarm

that albums killer

and kasabian their album was mega as well

Ewwwwwwwww

sponj
02-14-2008, 10:27 PM
Ewwwwwwwww
yeah, ew. kasabian's record is enjoyable though

UMadeMeRealise
02-14-2008, 10:42 PM
and kasabian their album was mega as well

:puke:
Also, work on your typing skills.

arcticm1
02-15-2008, 01:04 PM
na rite kasabians album was gd to b fair come on club foot that tunes amazin
when did the vines first album come out does anyone know

nd leave my typing alone it aint done nothing to u apart from making some dude b sick

uhh_me?
02-15-2008, 01:11 PM
neither Kasabian or The Vines are essential.

julio1987
02-15-2008, 01:25 PM
How about Daft Punk? I know they're influential, but I don't know if they could be considered to have influenced alt/indie. Anyways, either Homework or Discovery would be great additions.

Though I like MIA, I don't like Arular. I do support the National and Animal Collective, and apparently I must check Emoh.

arcticm1
02-15-2008, 06:17 PM
na their not but ur talking about one album and highly evolved was a cracking album
and so was kasabians if ur talking over long periods of time then no

UMadeMeRealise
02-15-2008, 08:09 PM
It's really difficult to understand you.

uhh_me?
02-15-2008, 08:13 PM
every post i read by arcticm1 makes me love him more.

arcticm1
02-15-2008, 09:05 PM
sorry im new to this i ave so much to say its all my head so i miss words out i need to slow down

uhh_me?

i love u to

Andrewbiles
02-15-2008, 11:49 PM
The problem I have with the Vines is that they wrote one really good single ('Get free') and I bought the album on hope that the rest would be good, then I hated the rest of the album so I feel they ripped me off. With their second album, again great single ('Ride'), just decided to stick with that though so have no idea about that album.

Like the suggestion of Daft Punk. 'Discovery' seemed to welcome through a bit more electronic influenced indie, but maybe I had just shut it out before that or am forgetting something?

arcticm1
02-16-2008, 02:09 PM
na the vines had get free outtatheway highly evoled and they had few more the second album they had ride animal machine tv pro f.t.w to b honest the second one was better

dont really like daft punk

sponj
02-16-2008, 03:15 PM
you should try some commas and dots.

Discovery would be a very nice addition to the list

Guillemot
02-16-2008, 05:21 PM
My suggestions (sorry if they've already been suggested I only read the first post and a few folowing it.)

Vashti Bunyan - Just Another Diamond Day (1970)
This album was a huge influence on Devendra Banhart, Joanna Newsom, Animal Collective (she even did an EP with them) and is often considered the first psych-folk album,

Belle & Sebastian If Youre Feeling Sinister (1996)
This has probably already mention but I think it deserves to be on here for just being a really great album.

Board of Canada Music Has the Right to Children (1998)
I think this is the best electronic album of all time.

somewhat_here
02-16-2008, 09:48 PM
i don't think there's an "only" in that belle and sebastian album.

UMadeMeRealise
02-16-2008, 09:53 PM
There isn't. However, I second the B&S suggestion.

Guillemot
02-17-2008, 12:51 AM
i don't think there's an "only" in that belle and sebastian album.

I have no idea why I put that there and I don't even remember it being there haha sorry. /edits out

pumpkins_rule
02-17-2008, 01:39 AM
There isn't. However, I second the B&S suggestion.

Thurded.

julio1987
02-17-2008, 10:55 AM
Thurded.
Fourthed, I would've sworn that If You're Feeling Sinister was already on the list, but I think it might have been the old one.

Yey for Discovery!

I've listened to Emoh by Lou Barlow, and all I've got to say is Wow!

imadebreakfast
02-22-2008, 04:56 PM
job well done mate

Doolittle
02-22-2008, 11:02 PM
Could we get Magazine's 'Real Life' album up there. It's great post punk and has had a large effect on the indie and alternative. If it weren't for them, Radiohead would have never been the same!

UMadeMeRealise
02-22-2008, 11:15 PM
From what I've heard of that album, I agree. Plus Damon Albarn and Madonna both cite that record as a personal favourite, so it must be good.

someloudthunder
02-24-2008, 12:05 AM
Fourthed, I would've sworn that If You're Feeling Sinister was already on the list, but I think it might have been the old one.

Yey for Discovery!

I've listened to Emoh by Lou Barlow, and all I've got to say is Wow!

fifthed.

and i think that the lonesome crowded west is just as good as m&a, and it's a crime that it isn't up there.

otherwise, great list, i've already got a chunk of these, and i'm trying to fill in the ones i don't have yet.


oh and arcticm1 is a crackhead.

Seny
02-24-2008, 02:39 PM
Unless they have been mentioned.
Of Montreal
Beirut
My Blood Valentine
Pavement
Guided By Voices

lithiumftw
03-03-2008, 09:54 PM
i dont know. i think bushes sixteen stone and razorblade suitcase belong up there. and alice in chains jar of flys. they were the last pioneers of grunge

UMadeMeRealise
03-03-2008, 10:08 PM
Alice in Chains are good, but they fit more into the modern rock milieu. As for Bush, definitely not.

pumpkins_rule
03-03-2008, 11:11 PM
Alice in Chains suck. The only grunge albums that are actually good are Ten and Superunknown.

/Arrogant

UMadeMeRealise
03-03-2008, 11:13 PM
^
Well, what about Badmotorfinger? That's a really good record as well.

sponj
03-04-2008, 04:16 AM
alice in chains are pretty reasonable, but they don't fit here at all

Andrewbiles
03-04-2008, 08:44 AM
I quite like what I know of Alice in Chains, but they're not suited to here, neither are Bush really.

pumpkins_rule
03-04-2008, 11:12 PM
^
Well, what about Badmotorfinger? That's a really good record as well.

Ehhhh, it has some good songs but it sounds too much like superior Black Sabbath for my liking.

UMadeMeRealise
03-11-2008, 11:57 PM
We need to add When I Was Born For the 7th Time by Cornershop.

Andrewbiles
03-12-2008, 09:21 AM
Definitely not! Don't need a brim full of asher on my 45s thank you very much.

UMadeMeRealise
03-12-2008, 10:22 AM
The album is much more than "Brimful of Asha," you know.

Berlioz97
03-13-2008, 01:21 AM
damn i have like half of those albums and i never thought they would be indie essentials....

gallagher2006
03-16-2008, 02:29 PM
I think a few albums should be added to the list...

The Cure - Faith
New Order - Power, Corruption and Lies
New Order - Low Life
Clinic - Visitations

Get these and you'll see what I mean

stratstrummer40
03-19-2008, 11:38 AM
I hope one day Owen produces a CD that makes that list.

somewhat_here
03-25-2008, 12:04 AM
so who's idea was it to put prefab sprout - steve mcqueen in the old A+I essentials list? i really can't say how essential it is, but it's pretty good, in a guilty pleasure sort of way.

Andrewbiles
03-25-2008, 08:55 PM
^ It isn't a 10 out of 10, but definitely a hidden gem so I shoved it on. Was good to see it getting a re-release last year as well, definitely seemed to boost the interest in the album.

somewhat_here
03-25-2008, 11:21 PM
hmmm, rerelease you say? i might pick it up.

paintITblack39
04-01-2008, 09:15 PM
Andy or Jon, mind adding www.stereogum.com

uhh_me?
04-01-2008, 09:34 PM
perhaps www.daytrotter.com or La Blogotheque: Take-Away Shows (http://www.blogotheque.net/-Concerts-a-emporter-?lang=en)

Andrewbiles
04-02-2008, 11:00 AM
Andy or Jon, mind adding www.stereogum.com

Thought it was already on there, but apparently not.
Went off the site a while back though so probably explains why I missed it off. They update it too much since they got bought out, really enjoyed it when it was one or two pieces a day, but now its closer to a page and a half.

julio1987
04-05-2008, 01:05 AM
Hey Andrew may I ask why you've turned down the 5 If You're Feeling Sinister suggestions?

paintITblack39
04-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Thought it was already on there, but apparently not.
Went off the site a while back though so probably explains why I missed it off. They update it too much since they got bought out, really enjoyed it when it was one or two pieces a day, but now its closer to a page and a half.
True, but they have neat mp3s and stuff.

Andrewbiles
04-06-2008, 02:47 PM
True, but they have neat mp3s and stuff.

Apparently they're copying pitchfork and doing videogum.com in a few days.
Quite a lack of original ideas...

Hey Andrew may I ask why you've turned down the 5 If You're Feeling Sinister suggestions?

I was going to ignore this post just to be a pain, but to be honest I must have just skipped over them or read them at the wrong times (ie. when I'm about to log off). Will add it.

Tele.Player.92
04-11-2008, 08:04 PM
Really good list but only one little snag in my opinion. I'd like to see Elliott Smiths' Either/Or album from 1997. It's lyrical content is much more in depth and personal than X/O and need I remind you that Either/Or was released on Kill Rock Stars and X/O released on dreamworks?

UMadeMeRealise
04-29-2008, 11:22 AM
We should add Stereolab's Emperor Tomato Ketchup to the listing.

sponj
04-29-2008, 01:00 PM
We should add Stereolab's Emperor Tomato Ketchup to the listing.
not that good of an album

pumpkins_rule
04-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Really good list but only one little snag in my opinion. I'd like to see Elliott Smiths' Either/Or album from 1997. It's lyrical content is much more in depth and personal than X/O and need I remind you that Either/Or was released on Kill Rock Stars and X/O released on dreamworks?

Uhhhh so? X/O is still more accessible and in my opinion better. It really doesn't matter that he was on a major label anyway because it's still considered "indie" music.

UMadeMeRealise
04-29-2008, 04:46 PM
not that good of an album

:( Well, I thought so. The only track I don't like is "Metronomic Underground."

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
04-29-2008, 05:10 PM
Emperor Tomato Ketchup should definitely be added.

RHCP94
04-30-2008, 07:47 PM
I think it's essential to shove My Morning Jacket's Z ('05) or It Still Moves ('03). They've had an increased popularity over the last month or two, so I imagine more people are looking for recommendations.

steve_muse
05-18-2008, 02:40 PM
I'm pretty new to this forum and I have to ask. What is this forum for?
What's its purpose is what I mean. lol

uhh_me?
05-18-2008, 02:43 PM
this thread or the forum?

this thread is pretty much for people who are new to the Alt/Indie game to pick up recommendations. the very first post is a series of albums, websites, stores, etc that should give you a good idea what you should look into.

the forum is for discussion of Alternative and Indie bands.

steve_muse
05-18-2008, 02:50 PM
I'm not new to this music. I've grew up with Indie hanging over me. I'm just new to the Indie/Alternative forum.

To be crude, you just recommend a band here, and discuss of course?

uhh_me?
05-18-2008, 02:52 PM
it is less of recommending a band and more of collecting ideas on what is key to the genre.

steve_muse
05-18-2008, 02:57 PM
I see. Thanks by the way. Well if I may, an innovative band to the genre would be The Delays. Well their not exactly new, but their other two albums didn't achieve the attention they were looking for. I've ordered their third - 'Everything's The Rush'. I reckon it should be pretty decent after downloading some of their other stuff.

I'm totally sure it fits this genre though.

Doolittle
05-18-2008, 11:01 PM
hey bros get these up please:
The Pop Group-Y
Magazine-Real Life
Wire-Chairs Missing (just as influential (more so on indie) as Pink Flag)

garage_kid
05-24-2008, 03:48 PM
i'd like to know, what is really an Indie??, i mean, indies follows and only one ideology?, or are they so different and independent that such ideology doesn't exists??.

i'm agree with the second sentence, but there's so many indies who are afraid because of the latest "latinamerican" and british waves and because it's gonna make "indie" a commercial term.

what you think about it??

sponj
05-24-2008, 06:57 PM
an indie? that doesn't exist in this thread. we're regular people that have common taste in music.

soundgarden19
05-24-2008, 07:01 PM
Ok, I'm new to Indie, and all I know is that it's short for independant music, so where should I start, what are some good albums, or bands?

Thanks everyone

sponj
05-24-2008, 07:09 PM
dude, read the first page.

soundgarden19
05-24-2008, 07:18 PM
Damnit, well sorry i'm such a tool, i didn't get much sleep last night.

RHCP94
06-02-2008, 01:38 PM
Ok, so even though this is an 'Essentials' thread, I'm going to use it as a 'Recommendation' thread for a second. Can anyone recommend me a band that is similar to The Hold Steady? I've been loving them recently.

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
06-02-2008, 03:39 PM
Ok, so even though this is an 'Essentials' thread, I'm going to use it as a 'Recommendation' thread for a second. Can anyone recommend me a band that is similar to The Hold Steady? I've been loving them recently.

I can't say I've heard many bands like them but check out latter day Husker Du (i.e. Warehouse: Songs and Stories) and The Replacements.

If you already enjoy those bands (likely) and you're looking for a more modern band check out The Modern Machines. I have 'Take It, Somebody' and it's definitely worth a listen. It's no Separation Sunday or Almost Killed me but's it's good.

RHCP94
06-02-2008, 03:40 PM
I can't say I've heard many bands like them but check out latter day Husker Du (i.e. Warehouse: Songs and Stories) and The Replacements.

If you already enjoy those bands (likely) and you're looking for a more modern band check out The Modern Machines. I have 'Take It, Somebody' and it's definitely worth a listen. It's no Separation Sunday or Almost Killed me but's it's good.
Thanks. ;)

Andrewbiles
06-03-2008, 06:10 AM
Lifter Puller, only band I know that does really sound like The Hold Steady and unsurprisingly it involved Craig.

European Son
06-10-2008, 07:53 PM
It might just be me, but I definitely think Nebraska by Bruce Springsteen deserves a spot on there. And maybe Born To Run, aswell.

Edit: Also, 'The Decline of British Sea Power' by British Sea Power should be on there. It's an absolutely excellent record, and Arcade Fire have even cited it as a major influence on 'Funeral'.

halloweenhead
06-17-2008, 08:14 PM
I reccommend adding I'm Like A Virgin Losing a Child by Manchester Orchestra, it's a great album

starsnostars
06-17-2008, 08:19 PM
It might just be me, but I definitely think Nebraska by Bruce Springsteen deserves a spot on there. And maybe Born To Run, aswell.
word

Doolittle
06-19-2008, 06:59 PM
hey bros get these up please:
The Pop Group-Y
Magazine-Real Life
Wire-Chairs Missing (just as influential (more so on indie) as Pink Flag)
hwelloooooo

Love_Buzz
06-19-2008, 07:24 PM
Sloan - Twice Removed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_Removed)

twolostsouls
06-21-2008, 01:56 AM
I think the list needs some Spacemen-3.

Gibson_Rocker13
06-24-2008, 07:04 PM
anybody have anything to suggest by phish?

snipelfritz
07-03-2008, 02:35 AM
I think the list needs:
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Giant Pink Robots (2002)
Cursive - The Ugly Organ (2003)
Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah (2005)
They Might Be Giants - Flood (1990)
The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday (2005)

All classics IMO

Andrewbiles
07-03-2008, 10:29 AM
^ 'Yoshimi...' is so overrated. Probably should add the Cursive record at some point. And The Hold Steady, I personally have preference towards their first but SS was good.

I'm sure some of the albums mentioned on this page are already on the list ('Nebraska' and 'Y' and maybe 'Real life'?). Sorry for lack of updates on it I just don't think it should be jammed full of every recommendation so I tend not to check this thread that often.

RHCP94
07-03-2008, 01:39 PM
^ 'Yoshimi...' is so overrated. Probably should add the Cursive record at some point. And The Hold Steady, I personally have preference towards their first but SS was good.

I'm sure some of the albums mentioned on this page are already on the list ('Nebraska' and 'Y' and maybe 'Real life'?). Sorry for lack of updates on it I just don't think it should be jammed full of every recommendation so I tend not to check this thread that often.
On a twice over, I only see 'Y' on there.


In my opinion, leaving 'Yoshimi....' out is the equivalent of leaving out something like 'Odelay'.

snipelfritz
07-03-2008, 02:22 PM
In my opinion, leaving 'Yoshimi....' out is the equivalent of leaving out something like 'Odelay'.
True dat. Its their magnum opus. Even though I'd have to say I like At War With the Mystics better as an overall album.

11yunited
07-03-2008, 02:52 PM
Dunno if I've missed something, but I figure a bit of Andrew Bird wouldn't go amiss up there. The Mysterious Production of Eggs, perhaps?

RHCP94
07-03-2008, 02:55 PM
Dunno if I've missed something, but I figure a bit of Andrew Bird wouldn't go amiss up there. The Mysterious Production of Eggs, perhaps?
Great album. Armchair Apocrypha is also very good.

Andrewbiles
07-03-2008, 04:43 PM
On a twice over, I only see 'Y' on there.


In my opinion, leaving 'Yoshimi....' out is the equivalent of leaving out something like 'Odelay'.

Ok, I thought they were probably on there already so might edit them in later. Will have to take 'Odelay' off as well then!
Someone here surely has to back me up with this opinion of 'Yoshimi...'.

uhh_me?
07-03-2008, 05:27 PM
Soft Bulletin>Yoshimi

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
07-03-2008, 06:25 PM
Yeah... Yoshimi is a good album but it's not essential. To be honest though, there are a lot of albums on the list that aren't essential. I don't consider anything under 2003 to be "essential" :p:

RHCP94
07-03-2008, 06:30 PM
Ok....I'll let 'Yoshimi....' go.











If you add "It Still Moves' by My Morning Jacket.

xX*Zeppelin*Xx
07-03-2008, 06:38 PM
I don't know... I don't think "It Still Moves" is their best. It's good but it's not essential, IMO. I know a lot of people love ISM, but I think "Z" is their best... even though I'm in the minority.

but a MMJ album definitely needs to be added, if there isn't one already.

pumpkins_rule
07-04-2008, 12:06 AM
Yeah The Shins, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Mars Volta are definitely not essential.

EDIT: and if M.I.A. has to be on the list, put Kala instead of Arular.

Andrewbiles
07-05-2008, 12:16 PM
Yeah... Yoshimi is a good album but it's not essential. To be honest though, there are a lot of albums on the list that aren't essential. I don't consider anything under 2003 to be "essential" :p:

I'd have to agree for the most part (the exception being Damien Rice) but I don't want to completely write off everyone else's opinion.

UMadeMeRealise
07-05-2008, 01:33 PM
Yeah The Shins, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Mars Volta are definitely not essential.

EDIT: and if M.I.A. has to be on the list, put Kala instead of Arular.

I much prefer Kala too, but it isn't old enough.

kevinm4435
07-05-2008, 06:44 PM
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:kifixqy5ldhe

frd_marshll
07-10-2008, 01:03 AM
i just got loveless its awesome

but i think that maybe some really early red hot chilli peppers should be on the list
pinkerton and gish should be added too

myself101
07-10-2008, 01:47 AM
I love Yoshimi....

UMadeMeRealise
07-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Gish? I like the Smashing Pumpkins, but they are total modern-rock.

frd_marshll
07-10-2008, 04:57 PM
melloncollie and simease dream are on there
and no compare them to modern rock bands and they sound nothing the same

gallagher2006
07-25-2008, 05:01 PM
That FreeIndie website is actually really cool. Got a few tracks by The Kiss Off and Saturna, both pretty good!

Bought the Saturna EP from a shop in Glasgow the other week. Was quite surprised to find it to be honest, but a surprise none the less

pumpkins_rule
07-25-2008, 07:34 PM
Gish? I like the Smashing Pumpkins, but they are total modern-rock.

According to Allmusic, The Smashing Pumpkins are Indie and Alternative. As for RHCP... they'll never be up there.

-jeff-
07-26-2008, 01:42 PM
I see only one Pixies album, Surfer Rosa should definatly be on there, and maybe even Bossanova. I mean, whats a alternative/indie list without Where is my mind, Levitate me, Gigantic, Velouria and tons of other great songs??

159876432
08-01-2008, 04:29 PM
i think the list needs wolf parade - apologies to the queen mary

a most excellent album, and seems more the way indie is progressing these days

also, califone - roomsound perhaps?

UMadeMeRealise
08-06-2008, 06:15 PM
How about Hounds of Love by Kate Bush? (1985)

trackmind
08-11-2008, 05:05 PM
Twin Cinema - The New Pornographers (2005)

Piggy088
08-26-2008, 09:22 AM
there has GOT to be more elliott smith acknowledged

MattDaviesFFAF
09-28-2008, 12:02 PM
Transatlanticism but no Something About Aeroplanes? I question that judgement.

Also, Sleater-Kinney?

fashanu
10-03-2008, 10:44 AM
anything by daniel johnston, i was intimidated too much to buy his whole back catalogue, but do yrself a favour a get "welcome to my world.. the music of daniel johnston" sort of best of thing. You will understand the hype about this guy. Pls dont torrent, he actually could use the money and he is the most underrated/underexposed artist EVER

julio1987
10-03-2008, 02:04 PM
anything by daniel johnston, i was intimidated too much to buy his whole back catalogue, but do yrself a favour a get "welcome to my world.. the music of daniel johnston" sort of best of thing. You will understand the hype about this guy. Pls dont torrent, he actually could use the money and he is the most underrated/underexposed artist EVER
Yip/Jump Music or Don't Be Scared maybe... great artist btw

holy smoke
10-23-2008, 01:21 AM
I've seen his documentary twice... but I have a hard time getting into his music.

uhh_me?
10-29-2008, 12:55 PM
i think we should add a movie list to our essentials. anyone second this idea?

Andrewbiles
11-06-2008, 11:34 AM
What kind of movies?

This list hasn't been updated in quite some time now...
Should really start thinking about 2006.

uhh_me?
11-06-2008, 10:44 PM
for movies i was mostly thinking mostly documentary and live stuff, but i guess actual movies could work too.

2006:
Grizzly Bear - Yellow House
Sunset Rubdown - Shut Up I Am Dreaming
Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers, and Bastards

Bmm386
11-07-2008, 02:56 AM
2006:

I'm From Barcelona - Let Me Introduce My Friends
The Thermals - The Body, the Blood, the Machine
Matt and Kim - s/t (people will love this album forever.)
Man Man - Six Demon Bag
Decemberists - Crane Wife
Final Fantasy - He Poos Clouds

Those look to be my favorites.

bassbeat77
11-18-2008, 02:54 AM
2006:

Cold War Kids - Robbers and Cowards
Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly - The Chronicles Of A Bohemian Teenager
The Appleseed Cast - Peregrine

IronBeard
11-18-2008, 04:23 PM
The Avalanches - Since I Left You (2000)?

UMadeMeRealise
11-18-2008, 04:31 PM
Looking through my collection, I don't think I own a single album from 2006. Where was I that year?

Andrewbiles
11-18-2008, 05:07 PM
^ http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/Inertia_90/strm_relyear/2006/1 ;)

UMadeMeRealise
11-18-2008, 05:11 PM
Ah. A lot of those came out in the spring of 07 here in the States.

sponj
11-18-2008, 06:17 PM
The Avalanches - Since I Left You (2000)?
agreed.

uhh_me?
11-18-2008, 06:43 PM
perhaps we can start here when it comes to 2006 essentials:

http://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=2006&genre_include=1&genres=alternative+rock%2C+folk%2C+electronic&include_child_genres=t&include=both&limit=none&countries=
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/40007-top-50-albums-of-2006
http://stereogum.com/archives/2006-gummy-award-winners.html
http://gorillavsbear.blogspot.com/2006/12/albums-of-2006.html

Andrewbiles
11-19-2008, 11:30 AM
That Pitchfork top 3 consists of some of the most annoying albums of that year. The Joanna Newsom one is good (but undeniably irritating at times). Those TV on the Radio and The Knife albums were terrible, but maybe I'm in the minority with that opinion?

What's that BT album on the RYM list?
Never heard of that album or musician/band.

It's interesting to see how different the RYM list is to the blogs.


Grizzly Bear - Yellow House was a popular one so that will probably go up. There may be a vote off in the New Year to decide what else ends up on the list.

That Avalanches album is rather good...

uhh_me?
11-19-2008, 11:41 AM
i have no idea what BT is, i might check it out through.

i just think that is a tough year to decide on, especially because it seemed like a lot of artists released solid albums but nothing career defining.

trackmind
11-19-2008, 12:04 PM
Yellow House definitely. And I don't think Return To Cookie Mountain is a very good album. Definitely not essential. Anyways, this might help:

http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2006.shtml

And, just out of curiosity, how come Surfer Rosa hasn't been added yet?

Andrewbiles
11-19-2008, 12:05 PM
^ The list rarely gets updated. Will have to take a look at it.
Good link, always forget about metacritic.

i have no idea what BT is, i might check it out through.

i just think that is a tough year to decide on, especially because it seemed like a lot of artists released solid albums but nothing career defining.

Yeah it was a consistently decent year. Just found a list I made and there are some good albums, but they all either lack something (although Camille's album is flawless in my opinion) or, like you say, have released other albums that are better.

1. Camille - Le Fil (UK release)
2. Parks and Recreation - What was she doing on the shore that night?
3. Epic45 - Slides (re-release)
4. Magnolia Electric Co. - Fading trails (vinyl)
5. The Wireless Stores - Dust Ghosts
6. Hour of the Wolf - Power of the wolf
7. Boduf Songs - Lion devours the sun
8. Ascalaphe - The Hollander Cafe EP
9. Sparrows, Swarm & Sing - LP II (CD/vinyl re-release)
10. Aluminium - Aluminium
11. Triosk - The Headlight Serenade
12. Scanners - Violence is Golden
13. The Dears - Gang of losers
14. Let's Go Sailing - The chaos in order
15. Imaad Wasif - Imaad Wasif
16. V/A - The World's Rarest Funk 45s
17. Voice of the Seven Woods - Tchantinler
18. Black Cab - Jesus East
19. Mischief Brew - Songs from under the sink (vinyl)
20. Belegost / The Sea Like Lead - Split (12")
21. AFX - Chosen Lords
22. Wow, Owls! - Pee Sout (EP)
23. Unfortunaut - Of here and now
24. Barry Adamson - Stranger on the sofa
25. Goose - Bring it on

hendrix4934
11-21-2008, 11:13 PM
There should be at least one post-husker du bob mould album

flightless bird
11-29-2008, 01:12 AM
the lost sea should be on here, they own.

uhh_me?
11-29-2008, 01:59 AM
There should be at least one post-husker du bob mould album
as much as i like the Du, i don't think that any of Bob's solo albums are particularly good...
the lost sea should be on here, they own.
have they actually released anything that is essential? or even heard of?

flightless bird
11-29-2008, 02:09 AM
oh, I'm sorry I thought this was about alt and INDIE music. I guess I should have suggested something that everyone's heard of and mentioned on here.

anyone who dids indie should check them out. how do you define essential? do you mean essential to you? I personally love their music, and so I find them essential.

lol dids...digs i mean.

uhh_me?
11-29-2008, 02:28 AM
not need to get snotty with me. the ESSENTIALS list is for things that are ESSENTIAL...you know, things that everyone should have in their collection because it has been influential or redefined the genre. it isn't a place to promote local bands that haven't even released an LP.

flightless bird
11-29-2008, 02:33 AM
srry about the snotty-ness. their not local(at least to me), and they're releasing an album...while I wouldn't say they're redefining the genre, I find them very influential. once again, srry for the snot.

uhh_me?
11-29-2008, 02:43 AM
oh, no problem. i got a little obnoxious too.

anyway, perhaps a better way to get people to take notice of this band that you love so dearly would be to start a thread about them. get a bit of chatter going. see how it ends up and in 2 years, we have a 2 year waiting period for any albums to be added (hence the discussion of 2006 albums), you can give them another suggestion to be added to the list.



so returning to the movie list idea, here are my thoughts on what might go in the movie section:

Heima
The Devil and Daniel Johnston


i can't really think of any hollywood type movies that needed to be added, but maybe someone else can come up with something...

flightless bird
11-29-2008, 02:46 AM
ah, I see your point.

holy smoke
11-29-2008, 05:01 AM
I don't have much to say in regards of the movie list... I really love the Devil and Daniel Johnston from the perspective of a pysch student and a music fan and an art lover.... so I agree that if a list of movies is made, it should be on it.

I think Whale Music is a pretty good movie as well, but I don't know if it's indie-movie-list worthy... It's based loosely on Brian Wilson and the soundtrack is by Rheostatics.

Skirvy
11-29-2008, 09:39 AM
Who are the Beatles? Why are they on this list?

thecoolestninja
12-02-2008, 02:17 AM
Pitchfork Media is the biggest pile of shit ever.

Andrewbiles
12-03-2008, 11:30 AM
Never heard of 'Heima', what's that about?
'Devil & Daniel Johnston' was good, should add that.
Only other good alt music film I can think of was the Jandek one, but then part of me still thinks it was utter crap.

Oh, there was the Flaming Lips one I guess, and that ****ty DCFC film. Don't know how many are essential.

Did anyone catch 'The only heavy metal band in Iraq' the other night?

sponj
12-03-2008, 02:00 PM
24 hour party people man.
and control maybe.
and 1991 the year punk broke.

uhh_me?
12-03-2008, 06:36 PM
Never heard of 'Heima', what's that about?
'Devil & Daniel Johnston' was good, should add that.
Only other good alt music film I can think of was the Jandek one, but then part of me still thinks it was utter crap.

Oh, there was the Flaming Lips one I guess, and that ****ty DCFC film. Don't know how many are essential.

Did anyone catch 'The only heavy metal band in Iraq' the other night?
Heima catalogs Sigur Ros' free tour that they did in Iceland. it has some of the most amazing cinematography i have seen in a music related film.

Stop Making Sense could be essential...

24 hour party people man.
and control maybe.
and 1991 the year punk broke.
i haven't seen any of those, but i am going to seek them out. i've wanted to see Control and The Year Punk Broke for quite a while.

Andrewbiles
12-04-2008, 01:15 PM
Sigur Ros videos are usually beautiful so that's not overly surprising to hear.

'Stop making sense', is it just a concert? I've got the CD somewhere but never seen the film.

Haven't seen '24 hour party people', 'control' or '1991: the year that punk broke'. Always meant to watch 24hpp but never got around to it, always had the impression it was along the lines of 'Kevin & Perry go large'...
'Control' has been on Sky lately, just haven't managed to sit down to watch it.

sponj
12-04-2008, 02:17 PM
uh, i can't believe both of you never watched those. 1991 is basically concert footage from dinosaur jr, nirvana, sonic youth, babes in toyland, and some other band i keep forgetting.
24hpp is a really cool movie about factory records/joy division/happy mondays.

i assume both of you know what control is about.

really liked all of the movies :)

uhh_me?
12-04-2008, 06:02 PM
i have trouble believing it too. don't worry, they are all going on my xmas list.

soundgarden19
12-04-2008, 10:39 PM
Can anybody suggest me something that sounds like My Bloody Valentine or Sonic Youth. Thanks.

Also I don't know if this goes here, but does anybody know any other bands like melt banana?

paintITblack39
12-05-2008, 12:07 AM
bands like MBV?

spiritualized would be quite similar. also, check out deerhunter's new album, microcastle.

which, by the way, i would like to suggest adding to the list.

somewhat_here
12-05-2008, 12:41 AM
bardo pond are kiiinda similar to mbv, the whole lush sound thing.

UMadeMeRealise
12-05-2008, 01:10 AM
also, check out deerhunter's new album, microcastle.

which, by the way, i would like to suggest adding to the list.

It's a brilliant album, but it's not old enough. Who's to say it won't be horribly dated by late 2010?

uhh_me?
12-05-2008, 02:15 AM
i was thinking about our book list...is there anything that has come out recently that is worth a read?

Andrewbiles
12-05-2008, 10:41 AM
'The Source Family: Father Yod and His Magical, Mystical Rock and Roll Commune' is meant to be a great book, should be getting it for Christmas.

Got that Steve Reich book ('writings on music') but haven't read that yet. Looks interesting though.

Added a couple of the films, will probably add more with time. Don't know how much space there is left in the post and the spares have unfortunately disappeared. Should probably edit the list properly at some point.

somewhat_here
12-09-2008, 09:26 PM
midlake - the trials of van occupanther for /06? but i just really love that album.

hendrix4934
12-13-2008, 01:10 PM
It seems like the wipers should be on here.

moshtradomus93
12-22-2008, 12:14 AM
2008 Anthony Green Avalon

hendrix4934
12-22-2008, 07:17 PM
How is that album? I was thinking of getting it.