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thera_x
10-07-2007, 07:11 AM
there seems to be a lot of 'deathcore' discussion going on in here, and most newer metalcore is poop, so how about some discussion focused on the old stuff. the awesome stuff, like botch, converge, skycamefalling, aftershock, overcast, and most precious blood.

to begin, petitioning the empty sky = win.

fridge_raider
10-07-2007, 07:15 AM
Shai Hulud is my favourite.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 07:21 AM
shai halud's pretty good

Paracetamol
10-07-2007, 07:42 AM
Strife.

Gymmeh
10-07-2007, 07:53 AM
GUD THRED MUN!


But seriously, Shai Hulud, old Poison the Well and old Day of Contempt are off tit.

Paracetamol
10-07-2007, 09:45 AM
Earth Crisis.....This thread would be better if you included hardcore into it.

Edit: but maybe not so much hardcore punk because you could go on forever.

Cedence
10-07-2007, 09:50 AM
Unloved and Weeded Out = win

PTES is a very close second

nayleD1337
10-07-2007, 11:22 AM
Poison the well :headbang:

kaktusnpoop
10-07-2007, 12:11 PM
Botch
Martyr AD
Unbroken
Coalesce

theres way to many

aggiefan33
10-07-2007, 12:16 PM
Shai Hulud, Converge, Botch, and Coalesce are my favorites. I can't stand PTW, at least not The Opposite of December.

Architect(not with an 's') are really good, they're not from this time period, but All is Not Lost is really good, not much like the current metalcore stuff.

zayG
10-07-2007, 12:23 PM
Unloved and Weeded Out = win


So true, Downpour gives me a boner.

Zao, Earth Crisis, Botch, old PTW all = win

Best time period for metalcore IMO

kaktusnpoop
10-07-2007, 12:25 PM
Best time period for metalcore IMO

agreed, 98% of the kids who listen to today's metalcore don't know **** about the originators

zayG
10-07-2007, 12:30 PM
Oh yeah, can't forget Converge, Hopesfall, 7a 7p, Old Underoath(guilty pleasure), old Darkest Hour etc..

Scottzar
10-07-2007, 01:31 PM
Hatebreed, duh. Hatebreed is still active now, but they started then. Zao, Converge, Earth Crisis, what most people already said. Bury Your Dead, started 2001, great hardcore.

saxaxe
10-07-2007, 01:42 PM
Converge and Poison the Well. Mostly Tear from the Red, by far my favorite from them.

Scourge441
10-07-2007, 02:02 PM
Very early Killswitch Engage, anyone? They're only a shadow of their former selves now, but that s/t album kicked ass.

mr.joopy987
10-07-2007, 03:20 PM
Misery Signals first album, even though it came out around 2004, reminds me a bit of this sound.

dead_kennedy
10-07-2007, 04:34 PM
Oh yeah, can't forget Converge, Hopesfall, 7a 7p, Old Underoath(guilty pleasure), old Darkest Hour etc..

Good call on 7 Angels 7 Plagues. Such a good band.

MANATEEN
10-07-2007, 05:29 PM
evergreen terrace

aggiefan33
10-07-2007, 05:35 PM
Evergreen Terrace are terrible.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
10-07-2007, 05:56 PM
Reprisal
Shockwave
Earth Crisis

DressingCold
10-07-2007, 06:54 PM
the 90s were the best for metalcore.
there were so many awesome bands out but my favorite would probably be Earthmover.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 07:33 PM
Very early Killswitch Engage, anyone? They're only a shadow of their former selves now, but that s/t album kicked ass.
I liked Alive Or Just Breathing a lot too. But the new stuff is pretty much ****e.

And am I the only one who likes new Poison The Well and Underoath more than their old material?

aggiefan33
10-07-2007, 07:40 PM
And am I the only one who likes new Poison The Well and Underoath more than their old material?
I personally liked the newest Underoath album MUCH more than any of their previous works, but they don't really fit in this thread.

I haven't listened to the new PTW, but YCBY wasn't too bad.

zayG
10-07-2007, 08:03 PM
I liked Alive Or Just Breathing a lot too. But the new stuff is pretty much ****e.

And am I the only one who likes new Poison The Well and Underoath more than their old material?
All the PTW is great, I personally like Distance Only Makes The Heart Grow Fonder though...

I despise new UO though :P

thera_x
10-07-2007, 08:44 PM
I'm guessing it has to do with the clean singing....

You Come Before You and Tear From The Red are the only good Poison The Well albums, and the 2006 demo was good too, but Versions ended up blowing.

I personally liked the newest Underoath album MUCH more than any of their previous works, but they don't really fit in this thread..
Act Of Depression came out in 1998, Cries Of The Past in 2001, Changing Of Times in 2002...

Besides, 3/5 of their releases are metalcore.

Paracetamol
10-07-2007, 08:49 PM
I'm guessing it has to do with the clean singing....

You Come Before You and Tear From The Red are the only good Poison The Well albums, and the 2006 demo was good too, but Versions ended up blowing.


Act Of Depression came out in 1998, Cries Of The Past in 2001, Changing Of Times in 2002...

Besides, 3/5 of their releases are metalcore.
When I think of 90's metalcore I don't think of Underoath, just because they had something out on the border of the 90's doesn't neciserilly mean they fit into here, there's a particular sound associated with 90's metalcore as well.

aggiefan33
10-07-2007, 08:50 PM
When I think of 90's metalcore I don't think of Underoath, just because they had something out on the border of the 90's doesn't neciserilly mean they fit into here, there's a particular sound associated with 90's metalcore as well.
Yeah, pretty much what I was talking about.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 08:59 PM
When I think of 90's metalcore I don't think of Underoath, just because they had something out on the border of the 90's doesn't neciserilly mean they fit into here, there's a particular sound associated with 90's metalcore as well.
I started the thread to be more of a discussion of metalcore bands that started in the 90's/early 00's, you know... to discuss a time when metalcore bands sounded unique from one another, not to discuss one huge lump of all the same...

Also, I'll agree with the Evergreen Terrace is terrible statement, why were they even brought up in here. :(

Paracetamol
10-07-2007, 09:10 PM
I started the thread to be more of a discussion of metalcore bands that started in the 90's/early 00's, you know... to discuss a time when metalcore bands sounded unique from one another, not to discuss one huge lump of all the same...

Also, I'll agree with the Evergreen Terrace is terrible statement, why were they even brought up in here. :(
hahaha ok man, fair enough.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 09:14 PM
and for the record, aftershock > killswitch engage.

nayleD1337
10-07-2007, 09:40 PM
I liked Alive Or Just Breathing a lot too. But the new stuff is pretty much ****e.

And am I the only one who likes new Poison The Well and Underoath more than their old material?

i like PTW's stuff equally. I like Underaoth's new stuff more also, but some people get caught up in the whole mainstream idea of it and say oh, its mainstream it must suck.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 09:48 PM
I lied. Changing Of Times is their best effort.

nayleD1337
10-07-2007, 09:49 PM
ha. ive only heard one song off of that album, so i cant say anything about it.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 11:00 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O7HVzANzRm0

Paris_In_Flames
10-07-2007, 11:14 PM
Too Bad Your Beuatiful anyone? ha I remember getting that in 6th grade.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 11:24 PM
I used to like FATA back in middle school too. I actually got into Skycamefalling from seeing them on tour with FATA.

SilentSpectacle
10-07-2007, 11:46 PM
Oof.
This thread got to two pages without an Integrity mention.

I also back 7A7P, Botch and old Converge very hard though.

thera_x
10-07-2007, 11:52 PM
I don't know how I failed to mention 7A7P and Integrity in the first post, tbh.

zayG
10-08-2007, 10:29 AM
Too Bad Your Beuatiful anyone? ha I remember getting that in 6th grade.
*pukes*

FATA is the most boring stuff I've ever heard, I can't listen to an album, all the songs sound the same or half of them are slow and not even metalcore, breaking up the album too much...

either way their drummer is a beast

loxer
10-08-2007, 12:35 PM
Killswitch Engages second album is pretty much metalcore classic

aggiefan33
10-08-2007, 01:22 PM
Oof.
This thread got to two pages without an Integrity mention.

I also back 7A7P, Botch and old Converge very hard though.
Do you not like new Converge?

zayG
10-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Do you not like new Converge?
Well, the thread is about 90s/early 00's, which is probably why he said old Converge, because new Converge isn't early 00's.

SilentSpectacle
10-08-2007, 03:09 PM
Well, the thread is about 90s/early 00's, which is probably why he said old Converge, because new Converge isn't early 00's.
Bingo. Although I do have to say old Converge is much better than the last two albums, they are still good.

aggiefan33
10-08-2007, 03:09 PM
Ahh, didn't think about that. haha

thera_x
10-08-2007, 03:46 PM
the last two would be a lot better if jake's voice wasn't going

aggiefan33
10-08-2007, 03:55 PM
...

zayG
10-08-2007, 03:59 PM
the last two would be a lot better if jake's voice wasn't going
What is wrong with his voice? THe reason they aren't as liked is because the songs are much too drawn out IMO.

Chris1988
10-08-2007, 05:37 PM
Splinter Shards The Birth Of Seperation is intense

Paris_In_Flames
10-08-2007, 05:47 PM
I dont reall like any Converge vocals past When Forever Comes Crashing, and even that cd is iffy.

zayG
10-08-2007, 05:49 PM
Splinter Shards The Birth Of Seperation is intense
All Else Failed is better in my opinion, the quality is better and the songs don't get overflooded with the extra trash they throw in some of the songs.

SilentSpectacle
10-08-2007, 07:34 PM
Saying that Bannon's voice is going out is one of the dumbest posts on this board so far.
That guy has it, and will have it for like 4 or 5 more albums, I hope.

thera_x
10-08-2007, 07:36 PM
Have you seen them live in the past two years?

He can't pull off that shriek that he did on the old albums anymore. His voice is a lot raspier and weaker sounding.

Hellfest 2000:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kOzf596iYhk

Hellfest 2007:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZbHdwfKrULI

SilentSpectacle
10-08-2007, 07:38 PM
Have you seen them live in the past two years?

He can't pull off that shriek that he did on the old albums anymore. His voice is a lot raspier and weaker sounding.
I saw them on the tour after Jane Doe, haven't seen them since though.

thera_x
10-08-2007, 07:40 PM
I saw them at SOTU 2006... Jake couldn't project his voice at all.

casualtyvampire
10-09-2007, 11:42 AM
Morning Again
Culture
Shai Hulud
Overcome
Zao
Buried Alive
Earth Crisis
Merauder
Seven Angels Seven Plagues
Compromise
Bulldoze
Reprisal
Maroon
Canaan
Day Of Suffering
Arkangel
Heaven Shall Burn
Caliban
Day Of Contempt
Figure Four
Sentence
Disciple
Martyr Ad
Throwdown
Mindsnare
Integrity
Poison The Well
Ringworm
Until The End

Extra Appressh Should Be Given To Earth Crisis And All 90's European And Florida Bands.

zayG
10-09-2007, 02:56 PM
^Add Hopesfall, Converge, Botch and 7a7p and I think we have a winner :P

thera_x
10-09-2007, 05:25 PM
He mentioned Zao, Caliban, and Heaven Shall Burn, and yet failed to mention Skycamefalling or Prayer For Cleansing, boo!

edit: no offense to you Zay, I know you like Zao (pretty obvious :p:).

zayG
10-09-2007, 05:28 PM
He mentioned Zao, Caliban, and Heaven Shall Burn, and yet failed to mention Skycamefalling or Prayer For Cleansing, boo!

edit: no offense to you Zay, I know you like Zao (pretty obvious :p:).
Eh, not that much of a fan anymore, I originally loved Zao with Dan, now I've grown to like Zao with Shawn more...sounds more like true hardcore, which is what I mostly listen to.

I've never listened to Prayer For Cleansing...are they any good at all?

thera_x
10-09-2007, 05:29 PM
http://www.myspace.com/prayerforcleansing

they're probably my favorite band that isn't skycamefalling.

zayG
10-09-2007, 05:38 PM
http://www.myspace.com/prayerforcleansing

they're probably my favorite band that isn't skycamefalling.
Ah..I remember them now, that is the band that had Tommy and Paul from BTBAM, I knew I've heard of them.

thera_x
10-09-2007, 05:45 PM
they're amazing tbch.

zayG
10-09-2007, 05:49 PM
they're amazing tbch.
Ya, this is pretty great. I like BTBAM better, but this is more straight up metalcore, and it definitely is still better then 99% of the stuff out there, thats for sure.

thera_x
10-09-2007, 05:55 PM
im under the impression that theyre the best band of that style... the melodic stuff like as i lay dying (of course theyre a lot better than alid).

zayG
10-09-2007, 06:03 PM
im under the impression that theyre the best band of that style... the melodic stuff like as i lay dying (of course theyre a lot better than alid).
When I talk about stuff in that generic style, I'd rather think of Darkest Hour or IKTPQ, cause at least those bands are halfway decent :P

thera_x
10-09-2007, 06:08 PM
darkest hour is awesome, but i really dont see where the whole metalcore thing comes from for them... some of their earlier stuff has a little bit of a hardcore sound to it.

i love darkest hour though.

casualtyvampire
10-09-2007, 11:49 PM
I Killed The Prom Queen
Nora
Curl Up And Die
Converge
Omerata
Eighteen Visions
Prayer For Cleansing
Embodiment 12:14
Not For You
Blood Has Been Shed
Symphony In Peril
Everytime I Die
Evergreen Terrace
Contempt
Shorebreak
Undying
Skycamefalling
Botch
Hopesfall
Devil Ate My Son
Drift
End This Day
Freya
From The Dying Sky
Full Blow Chaos
Hamartia
Hoods
Shotpointblank
100 Demons
Most Precious Blood
Refused
Racetraitor
Remembering Never
Walls Of Jericho
INDWELLING
LIFE.LOVE.REGRET

Gymmeh
10-10-2007, 12:03 AM
Good list is good.

thera_x
10-10-2007, 02:04 AM
hm

skycamefalling
prayer for cleansing
converge
botch
underoath
poison the well
seven angels seven plagues
curl up and die
most precious blood
blood has been shed
aftershock
overcast
hopesfall
undying

casualtyvampire
10-10-2007, 03:57 AM
Sentence - war
day of suffering - the eternal jihad
maroon - antagonist

possibly the best 3 releases of this era imo. srsly ne one hu hasnt heard them go get em.

90's to early 00's era of vegan straight edge metalcore was amazing.

Gymmeh
10-10-2007, 05:09 AM
Cave In LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLZ

thera_x
10-10-2007, 05:15 AM
Sentence - war
day of suffering - the eternal jihad
maroon - antagonist

possibly the best 3 releases of this era imo. srsly ne one hu hasnt heard them go get em.

90's to early 00's era of vegan straight edge metalcore was amazing.
yep :]

recklessnick
10-10-2007, 08:29 AM
Darkest Hour
I Killed The Prom Queen
Killswitch Engage

thera_x
10-11-2007, 01:09 AM
oh dear

you see... killswitch was at the very end of the era, and they sort of did their own thing for a while and were good, but darkest hour and i killed the prom queen arent really in the same vein at all

and i popped in alive or just breathing... forgot how good some of this album is

just barely breathing :heart:

nayleD1337
10-11-2007, 08:41 PM
oh dear

you see... killswitch was at the very end of the era, and they sort of did their own thing for a while and were good, but darkest hour and i killed the prom queen arent really in the same vein at all

and i popped in alive or just breathing... forgot how good some of this album is

just barely breathing :heart:

fixation on darkness is a really kickass song off that album, even though i dont care for kse that much.

thera_x
10-12-2007, 04:10 AM
their good songs are awesome, their other stuff is lame

aftershock was much bettar

thera_x
10-16-2007, 12:34 AM
meh, im curious what peoples think of aftershock :/

ShellBlast
10-16-2007, 12:47 AM
Did anyone mention All Out War? Can't talk about metalcore without mentioning them guys.

thera_x
10-16-2007, 12:57 AM
meh...

ShellBlast
10-16-2007, 01:10 AM
Whaaaaa! All Out War and Earth Crisis are the best of the best.

thera_x
10-16-2007, 01:25 AM
well have to agree to disagree

shai_savant
10-16-2007, 02:20 AM
Yeah definitely Shai Hulud, Botch, Converge. And along with 7a7p there were other awsome metalcore bands in the midwest like Endthisday and Coma Eternal. I still do love 90's/00's metalcore, but I think it's a nostalgia thing for the most part. Some stuff around now is cool, but most of it isn't my thing.

thera_x
10-16-2007, 02:42 AM
that's exactly how i am, i only like a select few new bands, and they all seem to be 'really generic' and lame, but i guess its just because they sound like they should have been around back when the oldschool bands were around.

mortiis999
10-16-2007, 08:49 AM
Old Earth Crisis. Stampin Ground

thera_x
10-16-2007, 09:08 PM
i dun liek erf crisis

zayG
10-16-2007, 09:10 PM
old Earth Crisis owns, newer had worse vocals :\

and I see im not the only one to say Erf Crisis from time to time

yay

Chris1988
10-17-2007, 11:47 AM
All Else Failed is better in my opinion, the quality is better and the songs don't get overflooded with the extra trash they throw in some of the songs.

I dont have all else failed
I have that album,Parade of Chaos and The Fear Is What Keeps Us Here.
I just meant that the Splinter album makes me a bit claustrophobic as the sound is so.....dense and bass heavy.
I don't know if that happens to anyone else but it does to me.
I really need some more Zao to be fair.

zayG
10-17-2007, 02:49 PM
I dont have all else failed
I have that album,Parade of Chaos and The Fear Is What Keeps Us Here.
I just meant that the Splinter album makes me a bit claustrophobic as the sound is so.....dense and bass heavy.
I don't know if that happens to anyone else but it does to me.
I really need some more Zao to be fair.
Well, Splinter Shards is basically All Else Failed rerecorded, but it's a bit more raw, where as Splinter Shards has some stuff taking over the bass etc.

Don't get the All Else Failed remake first though, it has Dan on vocals, it's still decent.

thera_x
10-17-2007, 11:27 PM
old Earth Crisis owns, newer had worse vocals :\

and I see im not the only one to say Erf Crisis from time to time

yay

idk i just dont enjoy them

and lol at usage of 'erf' :]

Girvo
10-19-2007, 09:18 PM
Unloved and Weeded Out = win

PTES is a very close second

I love both of 'em. I also love Caring and Killing. Two Day Romance is a song made of pure awesome and win.

thera_x
10-19-2007, 09:19 PM
jane doe is their best imo

heaven in her arms = omg goregasm

Girvo
10-19-2007, 11:12 PM
I struggle to pick a favorite when it comes to Converge. It's all brilliant. I LOVED You Fail me, Jane Doe is amazing, and No Heroes is fantastic. I'm a little biased though. :P

Also, for Early 00's metalcore, check out Breather Resist.

recklessnick
10-20-2007, 02:26 AM
the "better" or more-appreciated metalcore bands are always the mathcore bands. probably cos they have better guitarists, i dont know?

thera_x
10-20-2007, 03:02 AM
ill check out breather resist, and recklessnick: mathcore is gay

Girvo
10-20-2007, 04:29 AM
Mathcore isn't gay IMO. Hell, Converge sometimes fit in that genre (Conduit being the prime example IIRC).

thera_x
10-20-2007, 04:37 AM
i just dont see mathcore as being its own genre, its just metalcore with 'weird' time signatures

and i think bands like dillinger escape plan suck :p: