Do you get paid for small pub gigs (if you are starting)?


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Shuk
12-06-2007, 12:22 AM
I have no clue of the gigging scene so this is a pretty "noob" question: should you expect to get paid for gigging at pubs and small venues, or is the venue already doing you a service by letting you gain recognition/popularity. If you do, how much? Do you negotiate these things with the pub manager? This is all of course assuming the band is unknown and not signed. Thanks.

frigginjerk
12-06-2007, 12:28 AM
you are providing the venue a service by entertaining their customers, so they must pay you something, unless you volunteer to play for free. you may net get paid much... you may even get paid an insultingly low amount sometimes. but you should get paid.

i bleed metal
12-06-2007, 12:31 AM
actually you might have to pay depending where you play. usually how i see it work is that you pay 50 bucks for x-amount of tickets, and you sell them for whatever price you want

LEPIV
12-06-2007, 12:31 AM
I managed a college band for a bit and generally the band got 75% of the cover charge collected. If the bar doesn't charge a cover, then you usually get paid very little.

[Edit] Or the tickets sales option mentioned below....I forgot about that....

Shuk
12-06-2007, 12:32 AM
I see. What's the general price range at a regular pub? Do you negotiate prices?

evansut7
12-06-2007, 12:35 AM
I would never play for free. The people that own where ever you are playing dont really care about anything other than you bringing people to the bar or whatever it is to spend money. even if you are new as long as you bring all your friends to watch and buy drinks they will be happy. At the minimum i would ask for any cover charge received at the door. Say $3 a person to get in and the band gets it all. Only time i think playing for free is acceptable is if its some sort of charity event and you are donating your services.

evansut7
12-06-2007, 12:47 AM
I see. What's the general price range at a regular pub? Do you negotiate prices?

If its your first show or you are just starting out talk to whoever manages the bar you want to play at and tell them you want to play there and ask them how they usually work it out. Most places around here charge $2-$7 cover and the band (or bands) keeps all of it. This works out for newer bands because the bar doesnt have much invested if you guys dont draw a good crowd. Once you are more established (as in you prove yourselves being able to draw big crowds) you can ask for a flat rate or a flat rate plus a portion of the cover. If it were me id just say hey i started this band and we want to play here, i have 100 binge drinking friends that want to watch us, how about we get all of the cover at $3 a head and we will play from 10:30 till 2 with a couple breaks in between.

nodnod
12-06-2007, 12:51 AM
Around here the going rate the bars will pay is about $900. Some of the firehalls pay more but it depends on the draw that you get.

Vulco_Vesper
12-07-2007, 02:23 PM
Around here nobody wants to pay ANY of the bands that play a show.

Gurgle!Argh!
12-07-2007, 03:50 PM
actually you might have to pay depending where you play. usually how i see it work is that you pay 50 bucks for x-amount of tickets, and you sell them for whatever price you want

thats called pay to play. don't play pay to play gigs. theyre bad bad bad.

http://kasino.co.uk/theband/swindle.htm

SSDDPunkRocker
12-07-2007, 04:16 PM
thats called pay to play. don't play pay to play gigs. theyre bad bad bad.

http://kasino.co.uk/theband/swindle.htm

I've had that experience. Short and simple, if you worry about selling tickets to your next show rather than writing or practicing, you're gonna be screwed. We kicked out a drummer for selling tickets and using the money to buy weed and cigarettes (typical Behind The Music b.s., eh?) I'm not saying it'll happen to you, but it's a lot less stressful when you play paid gigs (mutally-agreed upon, however both the band and the booker/manager of the venue/pub/place wants it to go) or even by playing non-paid gigs.

I'm assuming you know this already, but don't expect to get paid EVERY TIME you play. It may be months or even years before you get paid a nice sum of cash for playing music, because you may have to be more experienced. (My) top two criteria of being a musician are 1 - making connections and 2 - doing what you love, so just play whatever shows you can get, just to meet new people (like bands, promoters, etc) because someone's bound to like you, and soon you'll be playing the shows you'll get good money for.

Just remember to enjoy every second you have on stage before you see dollar signs. ;)

BL4CKB4NN3R
12-10-2007, 10:53 AM
Ok, so i have the same question, which has been answered above although it's time for a twist

What about bands made up of all minors that don't drink.
Somebody has told me that it's ok to play in pubs/bars as minors as long as we make a deal saying 'we don't stay to hang around after' the show

So do bars usually let minors play?
ages are 14/14/15/15/17

Sir Edwin CBE
12-10-2007, 11:23 AM
You're allowed into bars but can't drink - the straightedge movement had minors wear crosses on their hands at the door and for the gig. It's up to the manager though.

axemanchris
12-10-2007, 09:16 PM
Laws about age of majority, working in licenced establishments, etc. vary widely from place to place.

Here in Ontario, Canada, you have to be 18 to work in a bar, but 19 to drink. The bar has to jump through hoops to allow all-ages shows, but if they do, then minors can get in to play too.

CT

walidb123
12-30-2007, 08:45 PM
nope.