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anti
03-10-2008, 01:35 AM
So I came home for spring break and found my old Marquee Moon album in my closet (I also found my Pink Flag album by Wire [ somebody should make a thread on Wire] ) and I completely forgot how incredible Television are. They had their **** together.

Who else shares my love?

Mav-16
03-10-2008, 01:42 AM
I Do

sargasm
03-10-2008, 01:53 AM
I also love Television.

Pretty sure there was a wire thread not too long ago. They also are awesome.

Mav-16
03-10-2008, 01:56 AM
I also love Television.

Pretty sure there was a wire thread not too long ago. They also are awesome.

yeah there was a Wire thread


I haven't checked into Wire

but Television is amazing

i will admit when i first heard them i thought they totally sucked... because everywhere it sais they are a "punk" band.

And they are not punk at all really. They are just amazing.

Iluvpowerchords
03-10-2008, 01:57 AM
Tom Verlaine really is just about the best guitarist ever.

Shit. My dad loves their self titled.

The guitar playing on that record works waaaaay better than Viagra.

sargasm
03-10-2008, 03:23 AM
Also, when I saw this thread the first thing I thought was "rules the nation"

That's how unpunx I am.

IlikeTheSKA
03-10-2008, 07:09 AM
I have Marquee Moon and Glory. Neither one has a bad song on it.

A few years ago I picked up Tom Verlaine's solo instrumental album "Warm and Cool" which also features some former members of Television, too.

neidnarb11890
03-10-2008, 10:09 AM
Television are great.
Wire are great as well.

hardrock1315
03-10-2008, 11:30 AM
Both of those bands are incredible.

StreetLight3989
03-10-2008, 11:32 AM
The real question is who doesn't love Television? I mean everybody in their right mind loves Television.

werty22
03-10-2008, 12:27 PM
Television is one of my favorite bands. Tom Verlaine is my favorite guitarist. Wire's pretty good too.

European Son
03-10-2008, 12:31 PM
^^Pretty much everybody I've introduced Television to have digged them, so you're probably right.

But man, I can't tell you how much I like Television. It's that kind of band whose music just feels right, and they're one of the few bands that I could listen to all day without stopping at all. It's really hard to explain. They just rule. More can't be said.

SuperBlob
03-10-2008, 12:36 PM
I! I SEE! I SEE NO! EVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!
Doodododoodeedoodoo etc.

lavazza
03-10-2008, 12:39 PM
Television are ****ing good, even though Iīm not so convinced theyīre punk (I know they were in the scene, but their music isnīt punk), but I have no problem to discuss them here.

I like them, but whenever i listen to Marquee Moon, whatīs really often, it reminds me of Franz Kafkaīs The Metamorphosis which I had to read while listen to the album, and the book is one of the worst I ever read

radio_schizo
03-10-2008, 01:33 PM
Yeah classic band. A while back there was an awesome video of Television in a loft rehearsing with Hell on bass from 1974. It was such a garagey sounding song,it was amazing whatever it was. It's removed now though :(

Jett Diamond
03-10-2008, 03:06 PM
I found some awesome demos they recorded with Brian Eno while Richard Hell (<3) was still in the band.
They're pretty sexy.

mike2
03-10-2008, 03:13 PM
you should NOT share that ****.

Doolittle
03-10-2008, 03:56 PM
hehe I made a Wire thread up in hur not too long ago. But Television is one of my favorite bands. Fred Smith's bass playing has had a big impact on my own playing.

Jett Diamond
03-10-2008, 03:57 PM
How would I go about NOT sharing?

SuperBlob
03-10-2008, 04:35 PM
By NOT using MegaUpload or any of those sites to upload the demos, then NOT giving it to us.

yeahyeah
03-10-2008, 04:36 PM
But man, I can't tell you how much I like Television. It's that kind of band whose music just feels right, and they're one of the few bands that I could listen to all day without stopping at all. It's really hard to explain. They just rule. More can't be said.
yup

Jett Diamond
03-10-2008, 04:54 PM
By NOT using MegaUpload or any of those sites to upload the video, then NOT giving it to us.
Well I will not post them in this thread.... :)

SuperBlob
03-10-2008, 04:56 PM
You should NOT PM it to whoever asks, I should think.

Jett Diamond
03-10-2008, 05:06 PM
Well. Good thing I did NOT send messages to anyone...

neidnarb11890
03-10-2008, 05:11 PM
Please DON'T send a link to me. I would HATE you forever.

European Son
03-10-2008, 05:15 PM
Please do not send it to me either.

opivy21
03-10-2008, 05:17 PM
Television are ****ing good, even though Iīm not so convinced theyīre punk (I know they were in the scene, but their music isnīt punk), but I have no problem to discuss them here.

I like them, but whenever i listen to Marquee Moon, whatīs really often, it reminds me of Franz Kafkaīs The Metamorphosis which I had to read while listen to the album, and the book is one of the worst I ever read
I read that this year... terrible... and I didn't even have Television to aid me through it. For some reason I haven't bought Marquee Moon yet, but one day I shall.

mike2
03-10-2008, 06:15 PM
is wire any good? i have yet to get into them...

sargasm
03-10-2008, 06:18 PM
Wire is very very very good.

mike2
03-10-2008, 06:23 PM
man...i wish i had that album...oh well....*sigh*

Love_Buzz
03-10-2008, 06:30 PM
I would also NOT WANT the demos please.

SuperBlob
03-10-2008, 06:35 PM
man...i wish i had that album...oh well....*sigh*
I'm sorry, but I couldn't possibly give it to you

mike2
03-10-2008, 06:55 PM
I'm sorry, but I couldn't possibly give it to you

you **** :mad:

SuperBlob
03-10-2008, 07:34 PM
You sure you want to say that? (DON'T check your PMs)

Love_Buzz
03-10-2008, 07:39 PM
You sure you want to say that? (DON'T check your PMs)
I'd love to NOT receive some PMs if you catch my drift.

radio_schizo
03-10-2008, 07:50 PM
You know what, I would be really upset if someone posted me a pm for this Television demo. ;) ;) ;) ;)

European Son
03-10-2008, 07:56 PM
Not that I have actually listened to the demos, but I'm just going to assume that 'Venus' is really incredible in those recordings as well and a bit more garage-y. I'm also going to assume that Marquee Moon sounds really diffrent compared to the Marquee Moon version and that Friction is pretty damn cool as well.

Then again, that's just an estimation.

neidnarb11890
03-10-2008, 08:05 PM
Yeah, Venus sounds a lot more garage-y.

Not that I would know, since I DON'T have the demos. I'm just guessing here.

opivy21
03-10-2008, 08:06 PM
That book's on the syllabus for my f%#king Lit & Psych class..

But "Little Johnny Jewel" FTW.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bRMU3eqN2TQ&feature=related
That's my fave Television song. The way the guitars mix with each other is brilliant.

werty22
03-10-2008, 09:36 PM
Somebody send me those demos.

Oh, I mean DON'T send them to me.

<.<

>.>

UMadeMeRealise
03-10-2008, 09:48 PM
is wire any good? i have yet to get into them...

Yes, they are very good. Pink Flag is, in my humble opinion, one of the best albums ever. Chairs Missing is also pretty neat.

Anyway, back on topic. I know that Television aren't exactly standard punk per se, but I still consider them punk because they were everything that punk was supposed to be - edgy, arty, intelligent, weird, urban. The Buzzcocks, awesome as they are, were just a dead end.

And I DON'T want those demos in my PM box either, under any circumstance.

yeahyeah
03-10-2008, 09:53 PM
No demos for me as well

Aaaaand-
I've been listening to the Neon Boys stuff lately and their sound was incredible, almost better than Television imo.

neidnarb11890
03-10-2008, 10:17 PM
Yes, they are very good. Pink Flag is, in my humble opinion, one of the best albums ever. Chairs Missing is also pretty neat.
I've only listened to Pink Flag a couple of times. Personally, I prefer Chairs Missing. That album is ****ing amazing.

UMadeMeRealise
03-10-2008, 10:19 PM
Well, I just got it last week, and I've not really had the time to fully absorb it yet.

BTW, love the avatar.

SuperBlob
03-11-2008, 10:51 AM
I've only listened to Pink Flag a couple of times. Personally, I prefer Chairs Missing. That album is ****ing amazing.
Chairs Missing freaked me out at first :haha
I Am The Fly and Outdoor Miner are both superb though

mike2
03-11-2008, 03:07 PM
No demos for me as well

Aaaaand-
I've been listening to the Neon Boys stuff lately and their sound was incredible, almost better than Television imo.

man, i would Not love to have those recordings also... ;)

StreetLight3989
03-11-2008, 03:15 PM
I really DON'T want the demos.

IlikeTheSKA
03-11-2008, 03:39 PM
I really DON'T want cancer.

neidnarb11890
03-11-2008, 03:53 PM
Chairs Missing freaked me out at first :haha
I Am The Fly and Outdoor Miner are both superb though
Yeah, some of the songs have a kind of eerie vibe. That's what I love about it.

Jett Diamond
03-11-2008, 05:01 PM
Well I have NOT been busy NOT sending PMs to anybody.

And I like the Neon Boys WAY more than Television. Cause Richard Hell was singing, and I love him. I have what I think to be a pretty groovy cover of my and my girlfriend playing That's All I Know Right Now on my profile. I'm on bass and she's on guitar.

yeahyeah
03-11-2008, 05:07 PM
Well I'm not gonna say thanks for not sending me the demos
:cheers:
edit:
Oooh, great cover too

UMadeMeRealise
03-11-2008, 05:33 PM
Here (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=749439&highlight=Wire) is the Wire thread.

neidnarb11890
03-11-2008, 05:44 PM
Or here (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=744922)

Ska Wars
03-11-2008, 06:06 PM
And here






:p:

neidnarb11890
03-11-2008, 06:10 PM
Oh, I see what you did there... >_<

anti
03-11-2008, 11:25 PM
Also, when I saw this thread the first thing I thought was "rules the nation"

That's how unpunx I am.


Haha, because I got the reference I must be pretty unpunx as well...

evanm31
04-18-2008, 07:23 PM
It would completely suck if someone sent me the demo's.....

VERY much.

Also, I just picked up Marquee Moon and it is really good. I don't know why Television is considered punk. If they are punk at all, it would be art punk.

trackmind
04-18-2008, 07:37 PM
Television are really hard to pin down, genre wise. They are punk because they were a part of the NYC punk scene/movement in the mid 70s. Initially, being punk just meant that you played in a garage influenced NYC band (which Television also initially were). The music from their albums doesn't sound like punk, but calling them post-punk would imply that their music came as a reaction of punk, which it didn't (they started out way before e.g. Ramones).

lavazza
04-19-2008, 08:08 AM
Television are really hard to pin down, genre wise. They are punk because they were a part of the NYC punk scene/movement in the mid 70s. Initially, being punk just meant that you played in a garage influenced NYC band (which Television also initially were). The music from their albums doesn't sound like punk, but calling them post-punk would imply that their music came as a reaction of punk, which it didn't (they started out way before e.g. Ramones).

I donīt like these little genres, but what about Art Punk?

trackmind
04-19-2008, 08:44 AM
I donīt like these little genres, but what about Art Punk?
Well, yeah, they probably are art punk. But really, it's such a vague term and it tells us very little about their sound, so art punk is a pretty stupid genre.

lavazza
04-20-2008, 09:47 AM
Well, yeah, they probably are art punk. But really, it's such a vague term and it tells us very little about their sound, so art punk is a pretty stupid genre.

I agree, but we tend to find a genre for everything ;)

mike2
04-20-2008, 11:55 PM
It would completely suck if someone sent me the demo's.....

VERY much.

Also, I just picked up Marquee Moon and it is really good. I don't know why Television is considered punk. If they are punk at all, it would be art punk.

you're art punk...

anarkee
04-21-2008, 12:45 AM
I would sort Television with the Patti Smith Group. Both of them came out of the same NYC scene that bred the Ramones, Suicide, Talking Heads etc etc. It was a pretty wide ranging group of people that came out of the lower east side Mercer Arts Center / CBGB scene and were all smacked with the punk label.

I saw Television play Central Park around 1979 after Hell left the group. They were still brilliant .

trackmind
04-21-2008, 03:20 PM
I would sort Television with the Patti Smith Group. Both of them came out of the same NYC scene that bred the Ramones, Suicide, Talking Heads etc etc. It was a pretty wide ranging group of people that came out of the lower east side Mercer Arts Center / CBGB scene and were all smacked with the punk label.

I saw Television play Central Park around 1979 after Hell left the group. They were still brilliant .
Seriously? That must have been so awesome.

Television is one of the most complete bands ever, in my opnion. The guitars, the bass, the drums, the lyrics and just the overall songwriting, it's just so... I usually refrain from using the word 'perfect' in the context of music as it is solely subjective, but I can't really see where that word would fit better in music than for Television. Even on the simplest level of songwriting (think an acoustic guitar playing the chords and a singer) it's just so damn brilliant.

lavazza
04-22-2008, 06:51 AM
I would sort Television with the Patti Smith Group. Both of them came out of the same NYC scene that bred the Ramones, Suicide, Talking Heads etc etc. It was a pretty wide ranging group of people that came out of the lower east side Mercer Arts Center / CBGB scene and were all smacked with the punk label.

I saw Television play Central Park around 1979 after Hell left the group. They were still brilliant .

Iīm jealous :(

but I think Hell wasnīt the bass on Marquee Moon, so there is no reason why they should be bad after he left

Jett Diamond
04-22-2008, 04:56 PM
^except for the fact that Richard Hell is one of the best people to ever be born, despite his qualms with the act.
But damn. I would have killed to see Television back then. Or any of the New York scene back then...

Doolittle
04-22-2008, 06:14 PM
Oh hell yes, Television are complete! They're one of the tightest bands I know. The bass and drum play is what really makes both Adventure and Marquee Moon for me.

werty22
04-22-2008, 09:27 PM
Oh hell yes, Television are complete! They're one of the tightest bands I know. The bass and drum play is what really makes both Adventure and Marquee Moon for me.
I've never heard another band like them. All the members are really great musicians, but they all play tastefully. No showing off. Tom Verlaine's improv sounds pretty awkward, though. I guess that's intentional.

pinheadslts75
04-22-2008, 09:30 PM
Also, when I saw this thread the first thing I thought was "rules the nation"

That's how unpunx I am.

Around the world, around the world

trackmind
04-23-2008, 08:20 AM
I've never heard another band like them. All the members are really great musicians, but they all play tastefully. No showing off. Tom Verlaine's improv sounds pretty awkward, though. I guess that's intentional.
Tom Verlaine could pour out more emotive, innovative and brilliant guitar improvisations with his little finger than Yngwie Malmsteen ever could do with two hands. Furthermore, he's a better songwriter than most other (if not all) innovative guitarists.

lavazza
04-23-2008, 09:20 AM
^except for the fact that Richard Hell is one of the best people to ever be born, despite his qualms with the act.
But damn. I would have killed to see Television back then. Or any of the New York scene back then...

ok......there is one thing Television could improve: Tom Verlaineīs voice is just acceptable, nothing really good, maybe they should have kept Hell, but not to play bass, but to sing.

trackmind
04-23-2008, 10:21 AM
As much I love Richard Hell, technically, he wasn't much better at singing than Tom Verlaine, just more common and... conventional I guess. I'm not saying that makes him a worse singer (or better, for that matter), it's just the way it is.

I'm gonna go listen to Blank Generation now. 'Walking On The Water' is just so amazing. Probably my favourite Voidoids song.

RiotRiotUpstart
04-23-2008, 10:23 AM
I hate Television

trackmind
04-23-2008, 10:28 AM
I hate Television
Get the fuck out.

Nah, kidding. Although I'm interested in finding out how this could be.

Jett Diamond
04-23-2008, 02:43 PM
As much I love Richard Hell, technically, he wasn't much better at singing than Tom Verlaine, just more common and... conventional I guess. I'm not saying that makes him a worse singer (or better, for that matter), it's just the way it is.

I'm gonna go listen to Blank Generation now. 'Walking On The Water' is just so amazing. Probably my favourite Voidoids song.
I wouldn't say common or conventional. He yelps like a dying dog and has this really tortured whine to his voice that certainly wasn't common.
Maybe more frequently imitated? In my opinion, giving any band from that time frame in that scene labels like common or conventional just doesn't work; they were all forging their own sounds and establishing the genre.

I like the few Neon Boys recordings I have so much cause it's Tom Verlaine on guitar and Richard Hell singing, and it just sounds so perfect.

trackmind
04-23-2008, 02:59 PM
I wouldn't say common or conventional. He yelps like a dying dog and has this really tortured whine to his voice that certainly wasn't common.
Maybe more frequently imitated? In my opinion, giving any band from that time frame in that scene labels like common or conventional just doesn't work; they were all forging their own sounds and establishing the genre.

I like the few Neon Boys recordings I have so much cause it's Tom Verlaine on guitar and Richard Hell singing, and it just sounds so perfect.
Well, I didn't say he was common or conventional, just more so than Tom. Like you say, though, tons of people have tried to rip him off.. *cough*Johnny Rotten*cough*. In fact, the more you think about it, you realise that Sex Pistols pretty much got everything from Hell. The singing, the clothes, the attitude and just the general style. The only thing that's fairly original about Sex Pistols is their music (which admittedly hepled punk rock a lot), but other than that, they ripped of Richard a lot. They even deny they were influenced or inspired by him, which is even more pathetic.

I haven't heard any Neon Boys, unfortunately, except for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkV18jBDnHE).

Jett Diamond
04-23-2008, 03:31 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=201280385

Should listen.
Has two more songs: High Heeled Wheels and That's All I Know. That's All I Know is one of my all time favorite songs. Also got two Voidoids songs (Don't Die and Downtown at Dawn).

pinheadslts75
04-23-2008, 05:31 PM
in either case, my copy of Marquee Moon arrived today. This band is made of god, sex, and win.

sargasm
04-23-2008, 06:27 PM
Godsex is my favorite. It is indeed quite comparable to Television.

trackmind
04-25-2008, 02:18 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=201280385

Should listen.
Has two more songs: High Heeled Wheels and That's All I Know. That's All I Know is one of my all time favorite songs. Also got two Voidoids songs (Don't Die and Downtown at Dawn).
Indeed, 'That's All I Know Right Now' was cool as hell. Tom's guitar playing is quite... interesting as well. It's like a blueprint for his playing on Marquee Moon (where his playing had evolved into the playing that most people associate him with). I really liked High Heeled Wheels as well. Definitely some really cool stuff on there.

Fugazirancid
05-03-2008, 10:35 PM
marquee moon is incredible.

i really need to check wire out, too. pink flag, i assume, is a good place to start?

anarkee
05-03-2008, 10:46 PM
Wire is great and Pink Flag is definitely worth a listen. But "Chairs Missing" is also a great album, though at the time, many fans weren't very fond of it.

And for Richard Hell, if you can get ahold of the Neon Boys recordings, they are just so raw and wonderful. "Love comes in spurts" is such a great proto-punk song.