Fortnight Theory Lesson #4 "The Major Scale" Part 2. (Righty)


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casualty01
02-28-2004, 03:05 AM
Well, Here we are again. another long awaited Theory Lesson. If you are not absolutely certain you know every aspect of all 3 of my previous lessons, please, go refresh before you try and read, learn, absorb and apply this one.

Ok, with that said, please take your seats.

In this lesson, the main focus will be on playing and moving our Major Scale Patterns/Shapes, to all possible keys.

In my last theory lesson, I covered all 7 Patterns for the Major Scale as it applies to the fretboard. All the patterns were given to you in the key of A Major, as the Key of A Major just so happens to line up most perfectly starting from the first possible 6th string pattern, all the way to the last 5th string pattern in the series. Now we're going to take those patterns, and shift them so we're able to play in any other keys.

Now to those of you who are further along, or are more adept at understanding this stuff and perhaps already realized and figured out what I'm talking about while you were doing my last lesson, I say, be patient ;) we'll get to the cooler stuff in a few short weeks. and as easy as this idea I'm going to be presenting today might seem, a lot of people have trouble with it at first. usually just an uncertainty at most.. a "wait.. am I doing this right??" kind of thing. but I hope to put that to rest.

ok, let's get to it...

Total Recall

If you've successfully absorbed and REALLY learned and memorized everything from my last lesson, you'd know that we have 7 forms of Major Scales (and by forms I mean "patterns" that can be physically played on the fretboard)

as I also mention in the previous lesson, all the forms remain the same when you move them to another key. in other words. the shapes don't change, only their locations.

The 7 Forms I gave in the last lesson also only have 3 actual Root Note starting points. 1 on the 6th string, 1 on the 4th string and 1 on the 5th string. "well that's only 3" you say? ....... *cas smacks whoever was thinking that*

if that thought DID cross your mind, please notice the brightly lit exits on either side of this thread and leave now, because it's blatantly clear you didn't give the last lesson a thorough reading.

where as we only have the 3 starting points, the 5th and 6th strings both have 3 separate forms all starting from that 1 starting point on that given string.

so where we movin paw?

In this lesson, we're going to do C Major (no, I'm not going to do 1 scale per lesson :p: ) I'm only going to focus on moving the scales to this one key in order to show you exactly what to do, and after that, it's on you to take it upon yourself to move the scales to ALL keys... yes, that's right, ALL 12.

After this point, we will be using the C Major scale as our reference point. the reason for this (and this will probably be obvious to some if not alot of you) is because in the key of C Major there are no #'s or b's. and it is the starting point in the Circle of 5th's (either the next lesson, or the lesson after that will be on the Circle of 5th's and how it applies to scales, progressions and practicing).


first what we're going to do, is we're going to locate the lowest possible C on the neck. why? because we're going to approach this key the same way we did in A Major....... which is to start at the lowest point on the neck that we can possibly play that key (except for open positions, we'll get to them later) and work our way up the neck.

now when I say lowest I mean Pitch AND Direction...... for example if I said play E on the 12 fret, and then I said "ok, now directionally (up or down) where could you play it lower on the neck?" your answer of course should be "7th fret A string or 2nd fret D string"...... in which then I would reward you by not smacking you.

so, where is the lowest possible C on the neck? (you should know this with barely any thought on your part) and please, actually get the answer before just going ahead to the next part...

got it?


you sure?


ok.. for those of you that said 3rd fret A string, give yourself a cookie.

this is the lowest point on the neck that we can play a C... so, this is where we're going to begin.

now, knowing that this root note is on the 5th string, you need to know which of the forms start on the 5th string, because you have to use one of those 3 forms. if you use one of the 6th string forms, or the 4th string forms, it won't be a C major scale. this may sound obvious to some, but many times I've seen my students go right for that first form i presented to you in the A Major scales lol.

so, which one of the 3 forms can we use to start with?

btw I recommend you actually have the last theory lesson open so you can look at the forms and see which one we could start with and use it to actually think about which ones come next as we go along.


the answer would be the 2nd 5th string form (the one I named 5th string (2,4) )
if you answered the 1st form on the 5th string, well, you're correct, but we're not doing open scales yet, and that scale would have to be played using open strings. we're only doing fretted positions right now)

this position shown here in Fig. 1a...as shown in the Key of A from the last lesson


Fig. 1a

A Maj. 5th Str. (2,4)

3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
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|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|

is the one we need to start with......now to actually move it to C so we will have the C Major Scale.

the concept? simpley start that shape, on the C (3rd fret A string)

the result, will be ...


Fig. 1b

C Maj. 5th Str. (2,4)


3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|


as you can see, it's the exact same shape... just starting from a different root note (btw, I've made all the root notes red since i can't enclose them in circles :p: )

ok... now, considering all the scales lay out in the same exact manner as they did in the last lesson, which form would come next?

hopefully you said the 5th string (1,2,4) form. just like in the the A Major Scale's that I gave to you, the (1,2,4) on the 5th string comes directly after the (2,4) on the 5th string.

so. In A Maj, you have


Fig. 1c

A Major Scale. 5th string (1,2,4)

3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|--3--|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|

for C Major, you have

Fig. 1d
C Major Scale. 5th string (1,2,4)
3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|--3--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|

casualty01
02-28-2004, 03:06 AM
Putting The Pieces Together

as you can see (hopefully :p: ) once again, it's the same exact pattern, just starting on the C, which gives us C Major.

also, you will notice that the patterns appear one after another in C Major as they did in A Major..... first the (2,4) then the (1,2,4)

Figs. 2a

A Maj. 5th Str. (2,4)

3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|


A Major Scale. 5th string (1,2,4)

3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|--3--|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|



Figs. 2b

C Maj. 5th Str. (2,4)


3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|

C Major Scale. 5th string (1,2,4)
3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|--3--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|


"so like... is that it? lolz"

after that last scale (the 5th str. (1,2,4) ) is where the most confusion and misunderstanding occurs.

the order of the scales goes in a kind of circle as it were..... where what seems like the end, is only merely another link in the chain. what i mean is..... at the end, you keep going with the first scale shape you started with.... get me?

if not, maybe this analogy and exmple will clear things up.....

look at a clock..


is any number the end or the beginning? no, not at all..... some might answer "yeah, 12 is the beginning and 11 is the end, then it starts at the beginning again"....... well, as far as how we tell time, yes, technically. but visually, on the clock, there is no beginning or end.. it's just continuous... every number has a number that appears before or after it.

well, it's the same thing with the order of the scale patterns. where one ends, another begins.. ad infinitum.

so, as this last scale we just did (the 5th string 1,2,5) appears as the last scale of all the examples I gave last time, after that, would be the first scale shape again....

what scale shape was the first one in the examples I gave you in the previous lesson?

answer: 6th string (4)

Fig. 3a

A Major. 6th string (4)

3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|

but what do I mean you play this one after the last pattern which occured on the 12th fret? (im still using the key of A as an example here)

do i mean you go back down to the 5th fret? no, not at all, cause that wouldn't be continuing would it? that'd just be going back to the beginning.

what i mean is..... after the pattern at the 12th fret, you know go to the next A, which occurs on the 6th string 17th fret.
here, I'll show you.

in the last lesson, the last example was the 5th fret 1,2,4

Figs. 3b
A Major Scale. 5th string (1,2,4)

3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|--3--|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|

well, after that, the next pattern is the same one as the first... only now it's one octave above where it was before.
so instead of 5th fret 6th string, it's now at the 17th fret 6th string

Figs. 3c

A Major. 6th str. (4)

3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--4--|-----|


see how that works?

casualty01
02-28-2004, 03:07 AM
so it's the same exact thing for C Major.....

we left off at the 5th str. (1,2,4), so now our next move is going to be to the 6th str. (4). So, where would that be? we need to start the shape on the 6th string, on a C...... where is the C on the 6th string?


8th fret should've been the only thing that entered your mind.

so.. we left off with the 5th str. (1,2,4) on the 3rd fret (C) . and the next one, would be the 6th str. (4) on the 8th fret (C)


Figs. 3d

C Major Scale. 5th string (1,2,4)
3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--2--|--3--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|


C Major Scale. 6th String (4)
3rd 5th 7th 9th 12th 15th 17th
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|--1--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|
|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|--4--|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|-----|


got it? i hope so :) ......

everything after that is quite obvious........ it just follows the exact same order of patterns that the A Major scales did.

I'm only going to do those 3 Forms and how they're moved to C Major....... the rest are up to you to figure out. which brings us to your assignments for this lesson ;)



Application

1. finish the key of C Major
<ul>
<li> write out the remaining scale shapes for C Major and where they're located on the neck</li>
<li> mark your octaves (i.e. Bold them or something)</li>
</ul>

2. PLAY all your C Major scales.
<ul>
<li>Up</li>
<li>Down</li>
<li>backwards</li>
<ul>
<li>(ie. start at the highest note and play to the lowest)</li>
</ul>
<li>sideways</li>
<ul>
<li>(moving from one pattern to the next in the middle of playing the scale)</li>
</ul>
<li>intervalically</li>
<ul>
<li>3rds</li>
<li>4ths</li>
<li>5ths</li>
<li>etc...</li>
</ul>
</ul>
3. Write out and Practice/Play/Memorize 4 more Keys. the Keys I would like you to do, are......
<ul>
<li>G</li>
<li>D</li>
<li>F</li>
<li>Bb</li>
</ul>


now...remember, when doing these other keys, as with any other scales that you do. do ALL of the positions, and play ALL of them, up and down, from the first to the last form.

Also, it's very important that you remember this... when I say WRITE them out... i do mean WRITE them out..... NOTE NAMES & Patterns. you're in a very sad position if you don't know the notes within any given key that you're in. so, Write out the Notes of the Key, PLUS the 7 Forms of Major for the Key.

you'll be better off, and glad you did. and, if you don't.... well, you'll be very lost come the next couple of lessons......

Thank You.

Cas-:peace:

P.S. ANY ........ ANY ... ANY and ALL questions that you might have, PLEASE post them here. if you have a question or are confused about something, then most likely, someone else is too..... so don't be shy, or whatever..... just ask away. and I or any of the other people who know all this stuff already will be more than happy to clear it up for you.

casualty01
02-28-2004, 03:19 AM
I recommend you have Theory Lesson #3 open to look at and confer, seeing as how I refer to it many times.

also.. a couple of things I'd like to add.....

<li> Yes, I will post the full neck diagrams of the entire C Major scale all over the neck so you can check your work.

<li> I'll be posting Lefty Neck Diagrams. so the freaks don't feel left out.

<li> oh, and there WILL be a test ;) ... so study up and apply!, people :D



any comments are appreciated and neccesary in making these the best they can be for your education and enjoyment.....

so, be it anything from "this ruled" to "you suck" ....you're encouraged to leave your comments and or questions.....

Cas-:peace:

alpacaman
02-28-2004, 03:24 AM
w000t......begins to absorb like a sponge......a very dry sponge that takes a very long time to absorb

Laser
02-28-2004, 03:39 AM
i read the whole thing twice... ^^^aborbing^^^

thebassmaster
02-28-2004, 07:57 AM
a very good lesson, it actually kept me hooked to keep reading, and i was kinda dissapointed when it ended. (which is odd for me, as i generally detest reading)

i think im going to print these lessons out, and hand them round my band.

Rhoads
02-28-2004, 02:21 PM
You made it more complicated then it needed to be

casualty01
02-28-2004, 05:14 PM
^^ how so?

if you're going to comment, especially in a negative vein, please back it up with a reason.


Cas-:peace:

demonic_damon
03-01-2004, 10:47 AM
you're scale patterens that you show are different from the ones i learned? Maybe you can enlighten me or i will have to look at the GENERIC MAJOR SCALE SHAPES in the book I got the other patterns from.

casualty01
03-01-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by demonic_damon
you're scale patterens that you show are different from the ones i learned? Maybe you can enlighten me or i will have to look at the GENERIC MAJOR SCALE SHAPES in the book I got the other patterns from.

*sigh* ...... dude, lol........ by not telling me or explaining to me what the patterns you learned are, it kiiiiinda puts a damper on me explaining to you why they're different.


certain questions arise..... like.......did you learn 3 note per string scales? did you learn the 5 forms that coincide with the CAGED System? did you only learn 2 patterns?

what?



for anyone else that replies with a problem, confusion, uncertainty and or criticism........, please be specific and at least explain what you're confused about, if neccesary, provide an example.........or with criticism, please actually point out exactly what you're criticisng and why you have that opinion.




thank you.


Cas-:peace:

Rhoads
03-02-2004, 07:39 PM
it would be less confusing if you used the scales all starting on the 6th string and showed the 7 modes.

demonic_damon
03-02-2004, 09:26 PM
i learned 5 patterns 3 note per string i believe(but not all the patterns had 3 notes per string on them) but most of them did

NicktheGreek
03-03-2004, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by casualty01
<li> I'll be posting Lefty Neck Diagrams. so the freaks don't feel left out.

Oi! :p:

Great lesson Cas, I'm gonna hand this to a few non-UGers to show them the error of their ways.

beatallica_fan
03-05-2004, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by Rhoads
it would be less confusing if you used the scales all starting on the 6th string and showed the 7 modes.

well id think thatd be far more confusing considering doug isnt teaching the 7 modes, only one of them, ionian.

eXploZive
03-05-2004, 01:28 PM
Hm.. where do I find you're previous lessons? can somone post a link?

casualty01
03-05-2004, 06:55 PM
here ya go bud

Archive Forum (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=44)

the previous 3 are in there.


Cas-:peace:

casualty01
03-06-2004, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Rhoads
it would be less confusing if you used the scales all starting on the 6th string and showed the 7 modes.

Like beat said, I'm only doing the Major Scale right now. not "The Major Scale and It's Respective Modes"

as far as including the notes below the root that happen to be in each position, we'll get to that.

showing THAT from the very beginning tends to confuse people. just like the "5 forms" of Major which our freind Damon learned. cause they're all inclusive, which scales are, but if you teach someone "this scale is based on this note" but don't actually show the scale starting on that note, it's much more confusing and takes them much longer to realize the interval pattern than having all those scale forms just starting on the root.

Cas-:peace:

casualty01
03-06-2004, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by demonic_damon
i learned 5 patterns 3 note per string i believe(but not all the patterns had 3 notes per string on them) but most of them did

ok, well, you've learned the CAGED Method of scale patterns (each pattern relating to it's parent "Caged" chord form)

it'll have the same notes, I just prefer the "7 forms" method because it's less cluttered and more geometric in it's order and presentation imo.

why don't you take the 7 I gave you up there, and cross referance them with the ones you know. like take all th e 7 forms in C Major.... and play them one at a time alternating bewteen the pattern I give you and the patterns you already know, you'll see they all have the same notes and overlap each other and many times are the same positioning.

I'm not saying forget the method you learned and do mine, I mean, sttick with what you already know if you already know it one way and are comfortable with it......I'm just saying take a look at both, and you'll see they're really the same thing. just 2 different ways to look at it. :)

Cas-:peace:

redwing_suck
03-06-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Rhoads
it would be less confusing if you used the scales all starting on the 6th string and showed the 7 modes. i dont think the typical reader of this lesson is quite ready for that yet. they'd have to learn the whole terminology... and that is hard enough for a beginner. possibly this teching method will be employed by cas in the coming lessons as modes are explored..... so for now, remember that the title of the thread contains the words "major scale" and not "the modes of the major scale"...


redwing:peace:

Rhoads
03-07-2004, 08:47 PM
modes are basically the box forms of the major scale, just staring on a different note of the scale. its pretty simple, and it would make more sense to me.

casualty01
03-07-2004, 09:00 PM
if thats what you think modes are, you so don't understand modes. lol

Cas-:peace:

Rhoads
03-08-2004, 10:35 AM
i think i'm talking just a little to complex for you actually

casualty01
03-08-2004, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Rhoads
i think i'm talking just a little to complex for you actually

ROTFLMAO ......... that's a good one buddy. keep replying to the thread, I need a good laugh every now and then :haha :haha

Cas-:peace:

Slurgi
03-08-2004, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Rhoads
i think i'm talking just a little to complex for you actually

*smack* *smack*

Thou shalt not question cas on theory. Maybe his goofy bastard claims, goofy hair, and fluffiness, but not on theory.

Any Cas, i read most of it (read more tonight, bit lacked on time), and i knew about all of it already, but it clarified a few things, and more-or-less reinforcement. I'm sure there are lots of people who need to read this information, and should.

Good post cas, thank you. :cheers:

blacklightsm
03-08-2004, 09:47 PM
you should publish a book! good lesson.

redwing_suck
03-10-2004, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Rhoads
i think i'm talking just a little to complex for you actually either you're the most arrogant son of a bitch out there, or you're have no idea what you said in the first place and think doing stupid shit on the internet is fun.

pick one.:D


redwing:cheers:

Snyper
03-10-2004, 01:00 AM
so when are you going to post a test eh?
:cheers:

casualty01
03-10-2004, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by Snyper
so when are you going to post a test eh?
:cheers:

oh yeah...

sorry.

in a day or two.

and I WILL post the lefty diagrams too........ just been busy and drunk lol

Cas-:peace:

ohdarn323
03-10-2004, 12:18 PM
I don't understand that coded fretboard at all.

Maybe its cause I'm lefty, maybe it's cause I'm dumb.

:)

edit: ahh saw you're gonna do the lefty ones.

Maybe this is just above me lol.

*goes to get theory lessons*

funeralforafrie
03-29-2004, 06:35 AM
100% helpful as always :)

Rhoads
04-04-2004, 01:28 AM
its been a over month and still no test or the lefty diagrams

casualty01
04-08-2004, 10:52 PM
hmmm....OK, fill me in.... how old are you and how many jobs do you have and bills to pay?


hmm.... lets go to the profile shall we?

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=56565

ohhhh.... so.... Answer to Q #1: 15 yrs. and answer to Q#2: NONE.... that's right.

which leaves you with how much time to do whatever you like?
A: all the time.


where as I am 25, full time job, bills to pay and sh<e>it to do.... yes, I said I'd have them up, but .... wouldn't you know it, the real world has a funny little way of raising it's ugly head and smacking you in the face with other crap that prevents you from doing certain (FREE) things you'd like to do (especially for others out of the kindness of your heart and willingness to help others) ........ like...... oh, I don't know, your computer frying and forcing you to save money over the next month to go buy another one, your credit card getting ripped off and charged for crap you had nothing to do with, a Trojan getting installed on the OTHER computer in the house which forces you to reformat, and quickly, forgetting that you DID manage to get the lefty diagrams done and now they're gone due to the reformat.

wow.... amazing how everything isn't so perfect in my little corner of the world. I mean, I wish it did, then I could eagerly cater to you and your rudeness.

I love the fact that you get this sh<e>it for free (great lessons might I add, regardless the fact that I write them, lets face it, they're better than 99% of the lessons out there) . proceed to slag it off several times throughout the thread, then bit<e>ch about the follow up sh<e>it not being here.

so.... dude, suck me. and hey, here's a tip........ umm, die. k?


cool.....




as to the rest of you who HAVEN'T been asses about this lesson AND about the follow ups (ie. lefty diagrams and the test)

both will be up tomorrow......

Cas-:peace:

casualty01
04-09-2004, 10:20 PM
ok, I'm finishing up the lefty diagrams here....

question to all you leftys.

would you rather me just post all the respective diagrams in the same thread in a seperate post?

ooooor.... would you like a duplicate thread just for lefties? :D

i figure the second would be easier, but, I wanna see how many lefties we actually have who are actually reading these lessons lol

Cas-:peace:

ohdarn323
04-09-2004, 10:31 PM
^ The latter, if possible.

casualty01
04-09-2004, 10:35 PM
K

Slurgi
04-10-2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Rhoads
its been a over month and still no test or the lefty diagrams

Have a little respect, this man is doing you a FAVOR. He is taking HIS TIME to teach you, and all you can do is ***** about it?

If you dont want his help, do the world a favor and be your own damn teacher.

JaYB06
04-15-2004, 08:17 AM
i love u....
These theory lessons are great, I am taking my time to learn these, I've got these all written down in my "theory notebook". Thanks for another great lesson.