Slash's Mockingbird Model?


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austinb0309
06-28-2008, 12:33 AM
I can't seem to find one like it...

Dimebagjeff
06-28-2008, 12:39 AM
slash sucks who cares

thatfootballkid
06-28-2008, 12:39 AM
Is this close enough


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/B.C.-Rich-Mockingbird-ST-Electric-Guitar?sku=512696

cmonaco
06-28-2008, 12:41 AM
slash sucks who cares
..Amen..

wolfy808
06-28-2008, 12:45 AM
Go troll somewhere else.

I think the link above is close enough.

RabbidWolf
06-28-2008, 01:05 AM
you guys are dicks

tbh TS I didn't even kno Slash had a Mockingbird...

Jayok
06-28-2008, 01:33 AM
The ST is pretty much the same like thatfootballkid's link but his is an SL I do beleive

lokster
06-28-2008, 01:57 AM
you guys are dicks

tbh TS I didn't even kno Slash had a Mockingbird...

Same here, I know he has his own Les Paul signature model but its ovepriced into oblivion.

f22master
06-28-2008, 02:09 AM
ive seen him use the mockingbird at MJ's 30th BDAY where he played 'beat it'

Dizeaz2112
06-28-2008, 03:00 AM
The B.C. Rich Mockingbird ST is in a way the Slash signature model. It even says in the description that it's based on 'a certain top hat wearing legend's' Mockingbird.

And to the twelve year olds saying Slash sucks, just because you beat him on Guitar Hero three doesn't mean he sucks. :rolleyes:

turtlewax
06-28-2008, 05:27 AM
seems odd to think of him playing a bc rich

Dizeaz2112
06-28-2008, 05:31 AM
seems odd to think of him playing a bc rich

Slash played a B.C. Rich Mockingbird before playing Gibson Les Pauls almost exclusively. I remember reading an article about it in Guitar World or something like that. He went through all sorts of guitars, then he somehow got a 1959 Gibson Les Paul (not too sure, feel free to correct me) as a gift or something. A lot of Slash's gear on the Appetite album wasn't really thought out or anything. He just sort of happened apon it all.

I could read up on the article and post what I find if anyone cares to know. I'm sure I still have the magezine somewhere in my pile of important books and papers...

666_Pounder
06-28-2008, 05:57 AM
He still uses it, or one similar, fairly recently for a few songs mainly because it has a tremolo.

oakn
06-28-2008, 06:27 AM
I took a photo of him playing one last summer :D

http://images3.bilddagboken.se/2/_u1/_u5/_u3/_u6/_u5/u153656/32566_1182149353.jpg

Matheau
06-28-2008, 06:29 AM
Odds are it is simply a custom model.

666-JoE-666
06-28-2008, 06:46 AM
Same here, I know he has his own Les Paul signature model but its ovepriced into oblivion.

Yeah, and besides, both slash and his guitar are overrated, anyway, Slash has a mockingbird?

slashs_#1_fan
06-28-2008, 06:56 AM
Yeah, and besides, both slash and his guitar are overrated, anyway, Slash has a mockingbird?


Slash has a mockingbird, SL as Jayok says

the ST in that link is based on the SL - if you find the ST on the bc rich website it says something like based on the guitar played by our top hat wearing friend or something

the ST is a re-run of the slash mockingbird, it is just a deeper red than the one slash has, but it has all of the bells and whistles that slash's has

/thread

Dizeaz2112
06-28-2008, 07:27 AM
Slash has a mockingbird, SL as Jayok says

the ST in that link is based on the SL - if you find the ST on the bc rich website it says something like based on the guitar played by our top hat wearing friend or something

the ST is a re-run of the slash mockingbird, it is just a deeper red than the one slash has, but it has all of the bells and whistles that slash's has

/thread

This.

austinb0309
06-28-2008, 09:28 AM
Ok, well personally i think Slash is great, but thats not the point. I heard Mockingbirds were a hell of a lot of fun to play and I was considering buying one and I thought his ST is pretty damn close, so I think I'll go with that one. Thanks for all the help guys!

mzhang13
06-28-2008, 09:34 AM
Go Mockingbirds!!! It is a great instrument, trust me.

AdamDK
06-28-2008, 09:42 AM
Yeah, it looks like he uses an older ST. What songs does he use the BC Rich on apart from You Could Be Mine? I know he used it before Gibsons, I've saw pics in his autobiography of it.

FourSticks17
06-28-2008, 09:51 AM
Slash has a mockingbird, SL as Jayok says

the ST in that link is based on the SL - if you find the ST on the bc rich website it says something like based on the guitar played by our top hat wearing friend or something

the ST is a re-run of the slash mockingbird, it is just a deeper red than the one slash has, but it has all of the bells and whistles that slash's has

/thread

Not /thread.

To be honest--and I hate to break the news because it will make finding a suitable alternative to the Mockingbird SL much more difficult--the Mockingbird ST is NOT even close to being like the Mockingbird SL.

I like to consider myself a Mockingbird aficionado of sorts, and I have played and owned several. At any rate, here are some of the major gripes with the Mockingbird ST:

1) Nato Body
2) Original Floyd Rose is NOT an Original Floyd Rose - This claim is going to take some explaining: BC Rich does maintain that the FR on the Mockingbird ST is an Original Floyd Rose. I've played it fairly extensively in the local guitar shop though, and it loses tuning stability horribly (much like a licensed Floyd Rose I own)--which I have never experienced on an Original Floyd Rose. After watching this video on Youtube <http://youtube.com/watch?v=cwGcY6T4xHc>, I have come to believe that the block does not say "Made in Germany" as Original Floyd Rose tremolos should and which would indicate that Schaller (German) does not produce the Mockingbird STs tremolo. I have not actually confirmed this myself, but based on my own bad experience with the STs tremolo (on several different ST models in store), I am very inclined to believe this is true.
3)Phase/Varitone switches - I have never actually played the Mockingbird SL, but I have had the opportunity to play a few of the Mockingbird Supremes (USA), which also feature all the "bells and whistles" of Slash's signature model (in fact, these are "better" guitars than Slash's model). Anyway, the bottom line is this: All the bells and whistles on good USA Mockingbird actually DO SOMETHING to affect your tone; on the Mockingbird STs that I have played, they seem to do almost nothing. I don't know what electronically makes for this difference--and yes, I only play high end tube amps in stores (hey, I might as well, right?)--but all the knobs and switches on the Mockingbird ST seem like they're just for show.

Of course there are many more differences between the guitars--quilted maple top, pickups, USA construction and care (a huge difference between a BC Rich USA Custom Shop model and a fairly low to mid end at ~$600USD retail Korean produced model), etc, but these are some of my personal biggest gripes.




Anyway, with all that said, the Mockingbird ST still isn't a HORRIBLE guitar. It has fairly good features for a guitar in that price range, but don't expect it to be anything close to or even LIKE the Mockingbird SL. To be honest, though, I would never even consider purchasing it simply because of its poor FR tremolo. I've owned one guitar with a bad Licensed FR and it made playing HORRIBLE: sustain was weaker, big bends (not even talking about using the whammy bar yet, mind you) knocked ALL the strings out of tune, etc. If you're willing to save your money/shell out the dough, keep looking around the internet for deals on vintage 80s USA Mockingbirds. Slash owns several of these aside from his 1999 BC Rich Mockingbird SL model, and these are what you want (many of these are better than the SL model, although the SL model is to Slash's personal design specs). Check these sites out:

http://www.edroman.com/guitars/bcrich.htm
http://www.guitarasylum.com/home2.htm

Anyway, good luck, and I hope I have been able to help.


EDIT: And the Mockingbird ST is in no way a "re-run" of Slash's Mockingbird SL. It wasn't made for Slash, Slash doesn't use it, and it isn't endorsed by Slash. While I love the Mockingbird, BC Rich is a company trying to make money, and this Mockingbird ST is just another way to try to make money off of Slash's celebrity (which has skyrocketed since the rise of Guitar hero).

VivaLaJam
06-28-2008, 10:29 AM
http://www.bcrich.com/Mockingbird_st.asp

sk8boardbob2
06-28-2008, 10:38 AM
Apparently, FR has licensed the OFR to other companies. I have heard people say some FRs with the Floyd Rose script on the bass side are made by Ping and not Schaller.

FourSticks17
06-28-2008, 10:46 AM
If you're just looking for a good Mockingbird to play, however, (and you're not looking to spend a few grand for a USA model), then I can highly recommend the NJ Neck-Thru series. I would try to get one without a Floyd Rose, if possible, to avoid having to deal with a Licensed Floyd Rose tremolo, but if you can find one with a Schaller Licensed Floyd Rose (which I was lucky enough to find), then you're in good shape.

Just for the sake of guitar porn, here's a picture of my NJ Neck-Thru Series Mockingbird:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh280/FourSticks17/NJ%20Neck-Thru%20Series%20Mockingbird/102_0969.jpg

slashfan31
06-28-2008, 10:55 AM
Yeah, it looks like he uses an older ST. What songs does he use the BC Rich on apart from You Could Be Mine? I know he used it before Gibsons, I've saw pics in his autobiography of it.
i know he uses it on sucker train blues and you could be mine

scottish nutter
06-28-2008, 11:25 AM
And to the twelve year olds saying Slash sucks, just because you beat him on Guitar Hero three doesn't mean he sucks. :rolleyes:

thats quality :D

YoHendrix
06-28-2008, 11:29 AM
Slash uses a BC Rich Mockingbird SL

Horlicks
06-28-2008, 11:31 AM
Slash played a B.C. Rich Mockingbird before playing Gibson Les Pauls almost exclusively. I remember reading an article about it in Guitar World or something like that. He went through all sorts of guitars, then he somehow got a 1959 Gibson Les Paul (not too sure, feel free to correct me) as a gift or something. A lot of Slash's gear on the Appetite album wasn't really thought out or anything. He just sort of happened apon it all.

I could read up on the article and post what I find if anyone cares to know. I'm sure I still have the magezine somewhere in my pile of important books and papers...
Didn't he use an LP copy on AFD?

Platinum Pro
06-28-2008, 11:33 AM
here's a really good video of him playing the mocking bird
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_gvCCqH1On0

FourSticks17
06-28-2008, 11:46 AM
Didn't he use an LP copy on AFD?

...and through the years. It has remained his guitar of choice for studio work, although he has, of course, used several different guitars for certain tracks on both GNR and Velvet Revolver albums.

Dizeaz2112
06-28-2008, 03:10 PM
Didn't he use an LP copy on AFD?

You're right. It's been a while since I've read this article. Read it earlier this morning, and he says it's a Chris Derrig-built 1959 copy. Before that, however, he had a Les Paul that had belonged to Steve Hunter, a B.C. Rich Mockingbird, some Jackson prototype, and a Jackson Firebird guitar.

I told you I wasn't sure.

RG_FANMAN
06-28-2008, 04:40 PM
the ST model from BCR. However, the custom shop is offering some models based on pros models, and it's still being updated, but one of the ones they may offer could be Slash's, so you could check there if you'd rather have an american/high quality copy of his.

RG_FANMAN
06-28-2008, 05:01 PM
If you're just looking for a good Mockingbird to play, however, (and you're not looking to spend a few grand for a USA model), then I can highly recommend the NJ Neck-Thru series. I would try to get one without a Floyd Rose, if possible, to avoid having to deal with a Licensed Floyd Rose tremolo, but if you can find one with a Schaller Licensed Floyd Rose (which I was lucky enough to find), then you're in good shape.

Just for the sake of guitar porn, here's a picture of my NJ Neck-Thru Series Mockingbird:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh280/FourSticks17/NJ%20Neck-Thru%20Series%20Mockingbird/102_0969.jpg

Nice lookin guitar! what are the specs on that thing and where did you find one?

FourSticks17
06-28-2008, 09:57 PM
Nice lookin guitar! what are the specs on that thing and where did you find one?

I'm always surfing the internet for good deals, and I found this beauty on eBay.

As far as specs:

Grover Imperial Tuners
Schaller Licensed Floyd Rose (not your generic LFR---it's the real deal)
Rosewood Fretboard with MOP Cloud Inlays
Maple Neck-Thru Body, Rosewood Stringers, Alder Wings
Flamed Maple Top
Single-Ply neck binding
~11.5 lbs

Anyway, it also has surprisingly good balance in comparison to some Mockingbirds that I have played. I would describe it as being exactly balanced between neck and body. Of course, I would prefer it to be body heavy, but balanced is good for me considering that many Mockingbirds neck dive.

Honestly, I'm crazy about this guitar (still surfing the web to see if I can ever find a good deal on a USA model....which isn't likely to happen). Its only weakness is the stock B.C. Rich pickups, which certainly leave something to be desired. I plan on popping in a JB in the bridge and a '59 in the neck.

RG_FANMAN
06-28-2008, 10:56 PM
very nice. i looked at the ones on musiciansfriend, and it said the body was agathis, which was an immediate put-off, but since it's alder, that definitely makes it a lot better. when was it made?

FourSticks17
08-12-2008, 09:55 PM
very nice. i looked at the ones on musiciansfriend, and it said the body was agathis, which was an immediate put-off, but since it's alder, that definitely makes it a lot better. when was it made?
I always hate to bump an old thread, but I hate not answering someone's question even more.

With that said, I'm not sure on the exact year in which my Mockingbird was made, but as far as I know, the NJ Neck-Thru Series Mockingbirds were only made between 2000 and 2002. More recent NJ Series Mockingbirds (NJ, NJ Classic, NJ Exotic) are often made with agathis or nato. My only advice is to keep checking eBay for deals (...and NEVER purchase one with an LFR unless its a Schaller or a Gotoh LFR---it looks tempting, but you'll regret it in the long run).

5150rando
08-12-2008, 10:11 PM
slash sucks who careswhy couldnt of you have been there for my why do ppl think slash is so great thread!!!!!!!?????? seriously i had written i want ppl who agree with me to post, but NOOOO! ppl who loved him had to reply and give me crap, or say some creepy things about him (long story, so once again you should have been there.)

SurfGreene
08-12-2008, 11:00 PM
Slash played a B.C. Rich Mockingbird before playing Gibson Les Pauls almost exclusively. I remember reading an article about it in Guitar World or something like that. He went through all sorts of guitars, then he somehow got a 1959 Gibson Les Paul (not too sure, feel free to correct me) as a gift or something. A lot of Slash's gear on the Appetite album wasn't really thought out or anything. He just sort of happened apon it all.

I could read up on the article and post what I find if anyone cares to know. I'm sure I still have the magezine somewhere in my pile of important books and papers...

Just incase someone cares, which i doubt, he got a replica built by kris derrig of a 1959 les paul. He also got a replica by max at around the same time. After he got famous is when he started to get the vintage bursts (no way he could afford one before hand).

Snake™
08-13-2008, 12:14 AM
You're right. It's been a while since I've read this article. Read it earlier this morning, and he says it's a Chris Derrig-built 1959 copy. Before that, however, he had a Les Paul that had belonged to Steve Hunter, a B.C. Rich Mockingbird, some Jackson prototype, and a Jackson Firebird guitar.

I told you I wasn't sure.

No you're correct. That's what he had, and I remember the article.

@5150rando: You know, Slash has cited EVH as an influence......

MetalMilitia212
08-13-2008, 12:17 AM
slash sucks who cares
:haha

Says Dimebagjeff.

I've heard the Mockingbird ST is not so hot. Maybe go custom if you've got the cash.

TheShred201
08-13-2008, 12:22 AM
If he were looking at the ST $600 I wouldn't expect him to have the cash for a custom.

Scream And Fly
08-13-2008, 12:29 AM
slash sucks who cares


Yeah, I'm sure you're better than him too.

mig-29
08-13-2008, 12:59 AM
yea i think in going to sell my bcr eagle so i can get a mockingbird but im torn between the st, and the nj exotic.

Joeval
08-13-2008, 05:00 AM
BC Rich do one.

FourSticks17
08-13-2008, 05:46 AM
yea i think in going to sell my bcr eagle so i can get a mockingbird but im torn between the st, and the nj exotic.
Read through this thread; I strongly suggest you avoid the ST.

With that said, I have never actually played an NJ Exotic Series Mockingbird, but it can't possibly be worse than the Mockingbird ST.

TheShred201
08-13-2008, 12:16 PM
You realize that from your story, it appears that you are judging an entire model of guitar from one guitar. I've played a gibson les paul standard that played horribly. Does that mean they all do? No. It means that I played one that had problems. I'm not saying that this the ST you played was a lemon, I'm just saying that it doesn't seem like you've done extensive enough testing to say that the model as a whole is crap.

GNRFan98
09-15-2013, 12:39 PM
I'm pretty sure he uses this guitar on the song "You Could Be Mine" by Guns N' Roses. If you look at the music video for that song that is the guitar he's using. :)

Mephaphil
09-15-2013, 12:49 PM
Slash wrote Welcome to the Jungle. You guys wrote **** all.

I think we all know who sucks. :cheers:

H4T3BR33D3R
09-15-2013, 12:50 PM
Necro like shit.

Roc8995
09-15-2013, 01:51 PM
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1608119