First Build: LP Double Cut neck-thru build!
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07-08-2008, 09:11 PM
Finished pics on page 3!!!!!!!!
Well this is my first build, and hopefully it'll go well!
Anyway here is what I am thinking.
-3 piece neck (padouk and flamed maple)
- Mahogany wings
-Rosewood Fretboard possibly 24 frets
-2 Humbuckers Possibly Tonerider Alnico IV Classics
-2 Tones 2 volumes with coil split and maybe phasing and maybe a kill
Here are some pictures to hold you guys over.
I'll have more pictures up with hardware once it gets here, which will probably be tomorrow. The great thing about Stew Mac is it is only about 3-4 hours from here so shipping is quick!
Also, on the fretboard, about how much higher than the body should it be? I noticed on my strat and tele it's only about a 1/4", or the thickness of the fretboard. I was just wondering!
I was going to possibly experiment with a piezo somewhere in this body, probably in the middle position between the pickups. I was thinking of mounting an acoustic type piezo under the body, routed from the back. It was just a small idea, but I don't see how it wouldn't work, as long as I keep a very thin layer of mahogany between it, it would be invisible to the naked eye.
Thoughts are appreciated!
07-09-2008, 05:01 PM
I got some more hardware in and more pictures of the body layout and such.
I got in the Schaller Bridge, Grover Mid sized tuners and the rosewood fretboard. I still have to chop off the end of the neck, and glue it to give it some depth for the headstock length.
Anyway, for headstocks, think I should go with something like a les paul? I don't know if I want something like that, or a more seagull ish headstock...
07-09-2008, 05:05 PM
looks awesome! i think a really deep red color would look great on that, and if you had a creamy whitish binding it would be incredible.
as for the headstock, I'd keep it like the normal LP's, but that's just me.
it's almost like what I want my signature guitar to be!
07-09-2008, 05:07 PM
looks good so far, i'll be watching it
07-09-2008, 05:10 PM
Sounds very nice! Good luck!
07-09-2008, 05:42 PM
looks pretty well thought out...
you know that's not allowed, right?
just kidding; keep up the good work.
07-09-2008, 05:49 PM
Also, on the fretboard, about how much higher than the body should it be?
It can be as high as you want, generally though, it should be a certain height above to give you a good action, which would all be calculated along with neck angle bridge height etc by the designer, so its up to you.
07-10-2008, 01:26 PM
Well I wasn't going to use a neck angle, it just seemed like too much work! I think I'll keep the fretboard as the height and just recess the bridge to keep everything right.
As for having it thought out... I thought I was behind on it all! There is just no reason to try and rush this, it's a lot of money. I still am going to try a test run on a neck on some honduran mahogany that I have sitting around. I was thinking a lefty strat headstock to throw on my telecaster.
As for inlays, I don't know if I will do any. My grandpa is a great operator of a scroll saw, I wish I had some work here to post, but I could always have him cut out something really sweet and inlay maybe in the headstock or fretboard. I am not conceded enough to have my initials in the fretboard, but that would be kind of cool... Maybe a headstock inlay would be cool, I'll have to brainstorm some sweet ideas. I could use some mahogany for the inlay...
Now I have a real question, I saw this in one of Ormsby's builds, but I forget the answer. When placing the bridge, isn't it right that I want to put each saddle as far forward as they will go at 25.5"? I am pretty sure I read to put them exactly at 25.5 because to adjust for intonation, you just move the saddles back, to compensate for extra tension when fretting.
07-10-2008, 03:20 PM
dont put the saddles all the forward at 25.5, give yourself just a little bit of room to move them forward as you never know what'll happen, you could for some reason have to move it forward
07-10-2008, 03:32 PM
I have quite the bit of adjustment in that bridge, so I should be alright. I really don't like sloppy recessed bridge routs... I want something fairly clean, I might do it on the Vertical mill. I was also thinking of just getting a piece of either bloodwood,zebra wood, maple or something and putting it under the fretboard, it would give it another contrast point and bring the bridge up a little higher. That way I wouldn't really need to recess it maybe... but then my pickups would stick real high out of the body.... Recessing it seems to be the way to go.
Anybody think putting a different wood on the tops of the wings would be sweet? Maybe Koa, or a dark redish wood, possibly more padouk? I'll have to plain them more, but thats no biggy, and it would make the guitar sweet. I am going with a natural finish anyway, and paduok would be sweet.
07-10-2008, 04:07 PM
I'd make the top wing a little taller than the bottom one... more like a les paul DC or a hamer... that looks like the ibanez DC design...
but that's my preference... that neck looks marvelous :D :D :D
want some custom hand wound pups to put in there? ;)
07-10-2008, 05:37 PM
I like how the body is layed out. I might make the wings meet the neck at the horns at a more 90 degree angle and do away with the flow... maybe.
About these custom wound pickups, details? I'll PM you!
07-14-2008, 06:56 PM
I picked up some 1/4" paduok today, and I'll glue it into the wings, hopefully it'll look pretty slick. I like how it's coming out now.
I plan to buy a router this weekend with my paycheck, then start to cut this baby out and start routing channels and such.
Now that I am thinking about it, I could do a semi hollow design. Think it would be worth it to rout it out?
I am almost nervous to start cutting into this wood!
07-14-2008, 10:41 PM
i love the wood choices... semi hollow would mean you'd have to either cap the front or cap the back... i think the wood looks great the way it is... semi-hollow the next one ;).
yea, i'd bring the cuts down a little in the low parts... looks great though :). I say black/cream zebra humbuckers in that bad boy ;)
07-14-2008, 11:18 PM
looks like this is coming along nicely, I really like the wood choices and the thickness of the laminates the only problem I can see is that the maple laminates on the ends run out half way through the neck. If I were to do laminates of those thicknesses I would angle them so that the thin maple strip runs all the way down the neck. That is the only thing I see wrong with your design, I think that you should makes the cutaways deeper to improve fret access but make them flow similarly to how they flow now but you already caught that one. you really don't have to fix the laminates but I think it would make it look nicer. A
Again, this is coming along nicely and it looks like you've planned pretty good.
07-15-2008, 08:36 PM
The maple laminates are meant to be there. When I shape the neck, they will be shaved off an flow into the neck. The neck alone with out the laminates is fairly wide. The fretboard sits in between it, so no need to worry about that.
The thing right now is I could cap the top with these pieces of paduok.... but good idea, the next one!
As for the headstock, I might add some width to it with some VERY flamed maple and a few pieces of paduok, that would look great. I'll have to get pictures of this piece of flame maple I bought for $1.88. It is 4 pieces about 1.5" width and about an inch deep all glued side to side, I can rip it and use it as wings on the headstock.
07-19-2008, 06:24 PM
I did the scarf joint with my router and a jig I made up real quick, it worked pretty darned good I must say!
As for the headstock, I think I am going to use this flamed maple and a few small pieces of paduok glued together, it should be really nice. I'll probably have more maple than paduok, but I am not exactly sure yet. The great thing is, I got this flamed maple for a $1.88 in a bargain bin. There are 4 pieces laminated together, with extremely high flame. I'll just cut them apart and put some paduok strips in them and call it a headstock!
This should come out really well! And I am getting custom pickups wound!
07-19-2008, 07:05 PM
cool router jig for the scarf, did you cut the wood off before routing it? the body looks ****ing sexy, too bad paduak turns an ugly poop-brown color huh? i wish it didnt.
07-19-2008, 11:42 PM
hmm I'm just wondering this, why doe padauk turn brown, if its for the same reason as purple heart its the UV rays. If it is the UV rays then you could just put an additive in your clear the blocks the UV rays, and it will make the padauk keep its color. of course thats just speculation, but it might be something you should ask one of the pros at project guitar.com. I'm not experienced with padauk so i cant be of much assistance.
07-20-2008, 02:06 AM
LP Addict: I cut some of it off, but I used the router to take most of it off. I still have a large chunk about 5" long from the end of it if I need some depth for the headstock. It's unfortunate it changes colors, but it'll be cool with me.
Carousel182: Check this out
African Padauk undergoes an extreme degree of color change with pronounced darkening from the vivid orange color when freshly milled to a dark red almost black color when fully aged/oxidized. Oil finishes hasten this process and allow the full color change to occur while water based finishes inhibit the full color range.
So I might have to go with a water based finish, whatever that might be. Would polyurethane work then? I am pretty sure it's water based and I could throw it on the top of the body and such.
Hopefully I can get the headstock on and start carving the neck. But I have to take a trip down to mill the truss rod channel before I can do all of that!
Thanks for the feedback doods.
07-20-2008, 02:24 AM
i would just use oil man, i hate water based finishes they usually consist of lacquer and stuff.
07-20-2008, 03:20 AM
i like this build :p: esp considering the awesome pickup choice you made :D
07-20-2008, 12:49 PM
I will probably oil it, but if it preserves the color, I might go with some water based stuff. The red is really really awesome. I do like oil finishes though. Right now I am undecided, I might go with a gloss water based finish so I can keep the bright red color for a while.
I am looking forward to these pickups! I sent you another P.M. too.
Just a question, what kind of router bit do you guys use to rout for the pickup cavities? The one I have now seems too long, and it takes too much material right away and it's hard to control. It's an inch long. I might go pick up a shallower one, and a few just to have.
07-20-2008, 01:00 PM
use a bearing guide bit and a template for good clean pickup routes, i cant reccomend it enough seriously, bearing bits ftw.
also before you cut the body ( if you have already) please please please, try and fit both the wings onto one of the blanks, theres so much wood that'd get wasted if you dont atleast check it.
07-20-2008, 01:09 PM
ohspyro, you can get waterbased polyurethane from places like lowes or home depot, if your looking to go in that direction they are definitely options for finishing. I believe I've heard of a wipe on poly that people get good results from, not sure if its waterbased though, personally i spray my finishes, oil isn't for me usually.
07-20-2008, 11:17 PM
abmbwr: I have a bearing guided one, but I think the initial cut, of 1", is too deep to be very controllable. I might go get a shorter one, then just lower it into the cavity using the cavity to guide the bit. I need to pick up a small one for the truss rod rout too, so I'll take a trip and buy the 2 of them.
carousel182: I can spray my finish too, I have a sprayer for my air compressor that I could use. I'll do quite a few coats, and wetsand and such. I had to redo the fairings on my motorcycle once, so the whole wetsanding thing isn't a mystery.
I'll probably rout for the truss rod tomorrow. And maybe start shaping the neck. Hopefully I'll get pickups in soon, so I can have those ready when I need to install them. I need to go pick up some wiring too, I don't have any spare stuff around. Just a thought, I am coil tapping all of these pickups with phasing too. Think I should put all the on off switches on the top side of the guitar and recess them so they cannot be seen? That would be pretty sweet in my opinion. It wouldn't be too hard, I could just rout the body before I glue the paduok on top.
07-20-2008, 11:24 PM
loving this dude, i personally despise scarf joints. i usually just do multilaminates and glue an adder piece to the top and get the lams as close as possible. im not good enough with scarfing to try it out.
07-20-2008, 11:31 PM
when i do my cavity routs, I make a template that's like 3/4" thick, rough out freehand and just use the bearing to ride along the sides. once i'm deep enough in my cavity, i take off the template... works like a charm :D
oh and scarf joints ftw!
07-21-2008, 03:45 AM
Wow, those are some gorgeous woods! I've wanted to see a natural finish neck through LP build on here for quite a while...
Anyhow, are you going to do a carved top? Natural-finished carve-tops FTW!
07-21-2008, 08:32 AM
Moar pics... PLz?
07-21-2008, 04:21 PM
No carved top, I am not feeling the need for it yet. I suppose my next build I'll do a carved top semi hollow body.
Nuttinbuttrouble: I actually thought about doing that... and I will now. It makes sense since I could keep the bit that much higher off the work before I use my really really thin stew mac template. I need to go pick up some more router bits anyhow, specifically for the truss rod rout so I don't always have to go down to use the mill...
ESP Shreder: I might have some soon, just be patient little grasshopper!
07-31-2008, 01:25 PM
Well I took 3 days off this week from work, because I hate it. So I have gotten some stuff done. I plan to finish pretty soon too.
This is the headstock, with the 15" cut to make it nice and flat on top. Its wide enough that the two padouk strips on the end aren't even touched. Everything is book matched with the exception of the center maple stripe.
My truss rod rout. Fits the truss rod real snug... I like it.
These are just the rough cut body. I have to rout the rest of it and glue it all up before I glue it all to the neck. I plan to do the control rout through the front so I don't need to have multiple covers on the back.
07-31-2008, 01:32 PM
This is the back of the neck that'll be in the body. I did this to compensate for the depth of the top plate. This is the same cut of wood from the top, which is the same thickness. It made it real easy to make it all the same depth.
This is the rout I did for the humbucker wires. I ran it up towards where the first humbucker will be. This will eliminate a need for a back plate. But I suppose fishing wires through there will be interesting....
Here is the fretboard, routed to the correct taper. I have yet to fret it, and I don't know if I'll fret it before or after I glue it on.... Suggestions?
Here are my templates. I am going to make another one for the headstock here in a few minutes. I already have one for the big fender headstock that I plan to use on another neck I am building.
Here are the pickups. They are perdy. I have alnico 2 in the neck and alnico 5 in the bridge. Hopefully they will sound great. They were wound to my specs, which was pretty damned cool. nuthinbuttrubl8 wound them, and they were only 160! I can't wait to get them in this beast.
I should have more pictures in a few hours.
07-31-2008, 02:04 PM
Is that a sony cybershot?
07-31-2008, 02:24 PM
It's a Nikon CoolPix.
07-31-2008, 03:39 PM
LoL thanks for the plug man. hope ya like em!
Edit: they were $75 each with covers and wax potting and 6 dollar shipping :p:
08-01-2008, 04:16 AM
Looking good so far, I think I'll be following this. Is it over at PG as well?
08-01-2008, 05:17 AM
Wow ZOMFG Awesome. How did you find it glueing and making a neck?
08-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Mmm padouk is lovely stuff. A small luthier I know has just made a classical guitar out of that (back and sides), looks a treat.
08-01-2008, 12:14 PM
ccatck: What is PG?
tomypg: I looked at a lot of pictures and read quite a few things on the internet than just did it. Glueing the neck together and such isn't hard. I am afraid the shaping part will be the most difficult.
pEdAl2: Yeah, I like it to. I am definitely going to try the water based finish to preserve the color although I would rather just oil the stuff. It will be a hassle but I think the results will be worth it.
08-01-2008, 02:09 PM
I'd fret the neck before you start gluing everything together. If you mess up, at least you'll have some recoverable pieces.
08-01-2008, 03:25 PM
earthwormjim: I am going to glue the fretboard to the neck before I fret it. The wood can move around and skew stuff, and I don't want that to happen so I'll fret it once I get it on the neck. Plus if I 'mess up', it can be fixed. And another thing, I am not going to mess up!
08-01-2008, 03:29 PM
anything is fixable with a little time and a lotta duct tape :D
08-01-2008, 05:24 PM
Ahahah, I can't imagine ever putting duct tape on anything. And you damned well machinists never use duct tape, we use taps and bolts. I don't even know if I own a roll of duct tape...
Anyway, more pictures!
Here is my headstock template made of a piece of paduok I had left over from the top.
Here is my neck band sawed around 7/8 just to be safe.
Here is the body that is routed and ready to be sanded. Came out fairly nicely, and wasn't very hard. I did have some burning, but I really don't know how to get around it, they are fresh bits.
Here is my giant cavity rout. I made it huge just to lighten up the body a bit, and to give me more room than I'll need. I hate tiny cavities, and I'll need room for all of the coil tapping and phasing switches.
Here are both routed
Here is a bad picture of the scarf joint. I used 4 bamboo cooking skewers to line it up. I drilled slightly under sized then sanded them in my drill to make a snug fit.
Another terrible picture but this will probably end up being a diamond volute on the neck. I know I'll get the 'you don't need that, it's a scarfed neck' but who cares, they look cool!
Another picture of the scarf, down the neck.
Here is the headstock shape glued on. It came out okay with the exception of the top center where the 2 humps are, they are a little different but I don't mind. It's not terribly noticeable unless your up against it TRYING to find what's wrong with it.
Right now I am just waiting on the headstock to glue up, then I'll finish the truss rod rout, and glue the fretboard on. Once that is glued, I'll rout the neck with the fretboard as my template, then start shaping. I'll probably try to make the cover plate for the HUGE cavity. I'll just use some extra paduok I have sitting around.
Does anybody have advice on glueing the tops on the wings? I only have so many clamps, and none will reach all the way to the center I don't think. How much weight would suffice to be used on it?
08-01-2008, 05:41 PM
this is looking really good!!
08-01-2008, 07:25 PM
For the clamp thing, It would be worth it to go a buy a few more clamps if need bigger clamps just to be safe you know? Don;t wana screw it up :s
08-01-2008, 09:45 PM
Well I'll have 4 for sure that'll fit, and I can rig something else possibly too. 4 of those red clams will hopefully provide plenty of pressure.
I have 6 of those clamps but 2 are only like 12", but i used a bunch of them and glued one of the tops on the wing. I'll rout it and get it cleaned up, and then I'll do the other one. I really hope to have this thing together within this next week maybe. If I bust my ass, maybe this weekend or mid week.
08-09-2008, 04:06 PM
08-09-2008, 04:07 PM
08-09-2008, 05:14 PM
wow that looks real good, i completely missed this during the building process.
08-09-2008, 06:12 PM
that guitar came out awesome dude! I love the pickups you used ;) ;) ;)
08-09-2008, 06:25 PM
looks great man! are you gonna leave the top unfinished? i've heard of people leaving paduak alone, i think it looks awesome!
08-09-2008, 08:13 PM
Yeah, it's oiled. They say to water base finish it to preserve color but I am not too worried about the color change, it sounds nice.
It plays amazing, I'll try sound clips sometime soon.
08-09-2008, 10:35 PM
That's beautiful, man, I love the look of it. Clips are a must.
What kind of bridge did you use?
08-09-2008, 11:05 PM
That thing is absolutely beautiful. I love the color and wood choice :)
08-09-2008, 11:09 PM
the wood looks great, definitely a good first build. hows it play though? thats all that matters haha
08-10-2008, 12:55 AM
really nice dont normally like double cuts but everything is right with this
08-10-2008, 01:08 AM
It plays really nice actually. The neck came out really well, I like it a lot. It's kind of chunkier, but it's really comfy.
The bridge is a schaller something or rather. It's a pretty sweet bridge if you have an angled neck, otherwise you have to recess it. I recessed that one and it came out very nicely.
As for clips, I'll have to borrow a mic and record it through my brothers computer or wait for a really long time. As for sound, it sounds great. Just overdriving my amp with the neck alnico 2 pickup, makes the best creamiest overdrive. It sounds great. Plus if you back off the volume a little, it'll give a real smooth blues/jazz tone that has really good string response. The bridge pickup is fairly versatile too. With both on, it covers all the bases of sound. Rolling off the tone really gives the sound i wanted to achieve, it's pretty damned sweet. The bridge pickup alone, can be rolled off to give a smoother almost neck pickup ish sound, or have a ton of bite and just angry. Oh, and the harmonics are clear, and sound so great.
I am proud to say this is my first build. Only god knows what could happen next. I do have some Sapele and more Paduok that I bought for my girlfriends birthday present, which will be one bad ass book shelf. I am hoping there will maybe be some extra that I could maybe use for another build. I am thinking something along the lines of a taylor T5 or something that could be played acoustically and still sound fairly decent, but then be able to go electric or use a piezo.
08-10-2008, 03:31 AM
^^^ if anybody wants pickups similar to the ones spyro is using PM me... they're my brand... TDM Pickups ;) ;) ;)
08-10-2008, 02:29 PM
You people are bad at my screen name... Broken down its OHS Pyro 89. OHS is the high school i went to, and you can guess the rest.
08-10-2008, 06:14 PM
LoL. and here I thought you had an obsession with that purple dragon video game ;) ;) ;)
08-11-2008, 12:48 AM
Wow, nice job. The wood finished up great, the colour is awesome.
08-11-2008, 01:22 AM
Beautiful. I am thinking of partaking in a project like that. How much did it cost you in total, if you don't mind me asking?
08-11-2008, 04:15 PM
Cost, of wood and hardware? maybe 600? At most.
With tools though, it's quite a bit more. It was a good excuse for me to add to my arsenal. I didn't have many wood tools, only metal things. But now I am fully outfitted!
08-11-2008, 08:15 PM
:O that is a sexy guitar
it looks amaaaazing
08-11-2008, 08:21 PM
Thats a really really nice build! Great colour scheme!
and PG stands for project guitar BTW, its a website for building guitars, and the forums are great for asking questions finiding info posting builds etc.
I am wet
08-11-2008, 08:35 PM
Now thats justs sexy
Grr all of you guys making guitars do it so well it makes me want to.
08-11-2008, 08:40 PM
this is the best build on UG... aside from mine of course... mainly because those are some snazzy humbuckers ;)
08-11-2008, 08:40 PM
dude sweet guitar, im building one thats the same shape right now except mines gona be a bolt-on because I didnt have enough money to get everything for a neck. (I'm cheating and using my squier strat neck until i can build or buy something better
08-14-2008, 11:03 PM
^ necks are cheap to build but the tools are $$$... kinda sucks :(
09-15-2008, 07:47 PM
are you not gonna put fret inlays on it?- i think it looks better without
10-12-2008, 09:59 PM
wow that looks amazing
10-13-2008, 12:06 AM
I don't normally care for double cuts, but DAMN that is sexy!
10-13-2008, 12:15 AM
I want it.
10-13-2008, 12:20 AM
^ you want the pickups, too? ;D
10-13-2008, 12:21 AM
Haha, well they DO look nice ;)
10-13-2008, 01:03 AM
check the link for my website in my sig ;)
10-13-2008, 01:08 AM
sexy guitar man. clips please?
10-13-2008, 09:02 AM
I don't have any way to get clips right now. The friend that has the recording stuff went to the naval academy in Annapolis, and he hasn't been back long enough to record anything.
We shall see eventually I suppose.
10-13-2008, 09:36 AM
I bet your house smells of rich mahogony, and you have many leather bound books...
(cookie for whoever gets that reference?)
it looks so classy, congrats man.
10-13-2008, 09:41 AM
I was glued to the screen when i saw the guitar! Very nice congrats
10-13-2008, 09:47 AM
Looks great man, awesome for your first build
10-13-2008, 10:02 AM
I am building another guitar now, which is a bit more custom if you will. The design is all mine, but I have no digital camera to post up pics of the build. Just shitty camera phone pics.
10-13-2008, 10:30 AM
I bet your house smells of rich mahogony, and you have many leather bound books...
(cookie for whoever gets that reference?)
it looks so classy, congrats man.
Anchorman? I love that film :p:
sweet guitar dude :) :)
10-13-2008, 11:13 AM
check the link for my website in my sig ;)
Well, they do seem pretty good.
I'll have t think about it. ;)
10-13-2008, 11:51 AM
no problemo :D
07-22-2009, 07:33 PM
07-22-2009, 07:35 PM
wtf man? this has been dead for a year!
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