Marshall DSL 401 vs JCM 900 DR


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bvoets14
07-09-2008, 11:20 AM
anyone have some experience with these amps.. the dsl 401 40 watt 1x12 and the jcm 900 dual reverb 50 watt 1x12.

i havent read any good reviews about the 900.. but im looking to trade my hotrod deluxe for a marshall combo that isnt a MG.

any input appreciated..

thanks.

clement1
07-09-2008, 11:39 AM
Heard good things about both. What do you intend to do tho? Bedroom amp, small gigs, large gigs, stadium gigs? The DSL is a nice tube amp that can go pretty loud. Gives nice cleans and classic marshall rock sound but if ur doin large gigs, the JCM 900 is the way to go. I havent tried it, but its a dream amp for me. All vids on youtube etc are pretty awesome and give it great reviews.

PunkRocker33133
07-09-2008, 11:55 AM
Well, I have personal experience with both and one of the bands I'm in is the same genre as you play. I would definitely go for the 900, or maybe an Orange of some sort for those specific sounds.

bvoets14
07-09-2008, 11:55 AM
band practice and bar sized gigs... yeah im lookin for something that has decent cleans.. but nice slightly overdriven sound like hendrix frusciante srv all that.. then i use the tubescream on top of that for lead. i forgot to mention the jtm 30 1x12... all of them are within 50 dollards of eachother.. and im not much of a guitar/amp techhead so i get confused by all the specificatione easily.

JimPlaysGuitar
07-09-2008, 12:08 PM
Theres no competition here IMO.

Edit: IMO, 1 being best.

1 - JTM
2 - 900
3 - POS (401)

Varkunus
07-09-2008, 12:13 PM
right well i own a dsl401 its OK as a tube amp and will be an upgrade from a solid state. But I would say definately save up for an orange rockverb or something. Much better amps on cleans and OD. Seriously just save up for something immense, dont do a half assed job with tube amps. Its not the same as SS. Well not for me anyway

bvoets14
07-09-2008, 02:31 PM
right now im leaning towards teh JTM 30.. theres one for sale thats a 1x12 and another is a 2x10... both close in price. the 2x10 being slightly cheaper.

jimbob78
07-09-2008, 03:19 PM
Check out ceriatone. A classic 30 or Traynor ycv40/50 would be good for your needs too.
I'd take a 900 out of those choices merely for the better speaker and stock valves (in most cases).

MatrixClaw
07-09-2008, 03:24 PM
The JTM 30 is not the same as the JTM 45 everyone raves about. It's a good amp, but some tend to over heat very quickly, you can solve this by adding a fan to it or placing one behind it. These amps can be found very cheap.

The JCM900 is the best of the ones you listed imo. It's a little more Modern voiced though, so if you're looking for the classic Marshall sound, this might not be the amp for you.

I've never been impressed by any of the DSL/TSLs and the DSL401 is no exception. Thin sounding amp and most people that own one end up upgrading to a DSL head because they didn't enjoy the voicing of the 401.

kool98769
07-09-2008, 03:29 PM
Check out ceriatone. A classic 30 or Traynor ycv40/50 would be good for your needs too.
I'd take a 900 out of those choices merely for the better speaker and stock valves (in most cases).
I sure hope there are no JCM 900's with stock valves, considering they havent been manufactured for like, 10 years.

Classic 30, or a traynor isn't going to be as nice as a JCM 900.
900 hands down man, go for it.

The DSL is a MUDDY piece of sh*t that overheats (the fan mod doesn't help that much). Before marshall grew a brain to put a factory fan in them, it got so hot that it was desoldering joints.

Sendrith
07-09-2008, 03:32 PM
I like my 4501. IMO it can do almost anything. However, that being said, my next purchase will likely be a high-gain head or combo. Sounds great when cranked.

bvoets14
07-09-2008, 03:33 PM
dam, how about that jcm 800 4010.. thats an option too.. hows that compare, anyone know? IM gona go play it tonight or tomorrow.

thanks for the input fellas

kool98769
07-09-2008, 03:35 PM
dam, how about that jcm 800 4010.. thats an option too.. hows that compare, anyone know? IM gona go play it tonight or tomorrow.

thanks for the input fellas
If you dont need cleans, and want a classic voiced amp, GREAT for the old marshall sound.
BUT
they dont have a FX loop, unless it is one of the marshall reissues, but i don't remember Marshall making a reissue combo amp.

bvoets14
07-09-2008, 03:37 PM
yeah i dont use clean too much, i tend to use a slighty overdriven clean, and a very over driven clean (via tubescreamer) but nothign crystal clear and nothing with screaming hi-gains.

bvoets14
07-09-2008, 03:38 PM
what would be a good price for a jcm 800 4010 used in good condition? and the jtm 30 as well? these guys are askin 500.. for the jtm and 700 for the 4010.. which im sure can be worked down

jimbob78
07-09-2008, 03:44 PM
My mate has the 4010. It's a single channel, bare- basics amp. I'd snap it up. It sounds absolutely magic, but is the loudest 50 watt combo I've ever heard. It drowns out my 50 watt jcm900 combo. God I wish I had a 4010.... They sound huge. I borrowed it for a gig a few months back and it practically ate the mix :liplick:


EDIT: Not trying to knock the other available choices (I have a 50 watt dual reverb combo myself), but the 4010 is an incredible amp - even for 700 dollars. I believe they come standard with Drake transformers too.

MatrixClaw
07-09-2008, 03:57 PM
what would be a good price for a jcm 800 4010 used in good condition? and the jtm 30 as well? these guys are askin 500.. for the jtm and 700 for the 4010.. which im sure can be worked down
That's much too high for a JTM 30 imo. I seem them fairly regularly on Craig's List in the $250-350 range.

kool98769
07-09-2008, 03:57 PM
My mate has the 4010. It's a single channel, bare- basics amp. I'd snap it up. It sounds absolutely magic, but is the loudest 50 watt combo I've ever heard. It drowns out my 50 watt jcm900 combo. God I wish I had a 4010.... They sound huge. I borrowed it for a gig a few months back and it practically ate the mix :liplick:
Thats probably a mixture of pure awesomeness in the power section of the amp, and pure awesomeness of the mids in the JCM 800!

jimbob78
07-09-2008, 04:14 PM
Very true... ^
It's the beefiest sounding jcm800 you can buy. The twin channel models amd others that came later have nothing on this beast (Ive played MANY)
Please don't pass up the opportunity to get such a great amp. :peace:

Slanderous666
07-09-2008, 06:18 PM
That's much too high for a JTM 30 imo. I seem them fairly regularly on Craig's List in the $250-350 range.


Can a Marshall JTM30 Combo 1995 do any high gain? I'm thinking of buying one myself instead of a DSL401. I havent heard much about the JTM30 series in all honesty.

Gutch220
07-09-2008, 06:48 PM
I like the 900 better

kool98769
07-09-2008, 07:47 PM
Can a Marshall JTM30 Combo 1995 do any high gain? I'm thinking of buying one myself instead of a DSL401. I havent heard much about the JTM30 series in all honesty.
I hope your ears get removed if you buy that DSL piece of trash. It is a box of mud.

bvoets14
07-10-2008, 09:16 AM
i played the jcm 900 dual reverb last night, and ill admit i like it.. but a few of the tone knobs had a crackling problem. the guy said he would fix it ( he owns the store ) then call me. so its either that or the jcm 800 4010, which i hopefully will get to play this weekend.

but overall they both suite my playing better than teh hot rod deluxe that i use now.

thanks for the hekp guys

bvoets14
07-10-2008, 09:29 AM
ps. for the jcm 800 4010.. 1 channel as in.. u plug in, and thats teh sound? no foot switch to the OD channel? u really have to plug in to a different input to change the sound?

SurfinWithSatch
07-10-2008, 10:57 AM
Yes the 800 is single channel. You have to use the volume knob on your guitar to get the clean sound, and even then the cleans aren't amazing. I own the JCM900 and it suits me, however based on what you said you're looking I'd suggest you go try a Peavey Classic 30 as suggested earlier. You said you don't want screaming hi gains so getting the 900 would be a bit of a waste imo because that's probably it's strongest point. The Classic 30 will get you great cleans and a really nice overdrive, then with your tubescreamer aswell you can push into some nice ODing tones that won't neccersarily be "screaming hi gains" like you said you didn't want but would be very close.

mcrfobtai
07-10-2008, 11:03 AM
The 900 is better. DSL and TSL's are kind of mediocre

bvoets14
07-10-2008, 11:39 AM
right on