Crate GT-212 good for punk?


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Swap-Meet
09-06-2008, 01:02 PM
Alright so I'm annoyed with the kids that like metal in the accesories forum telling me to get those stupid metal amps.

So I was wondering if any of you guys used the Crate GT-212 before, and what you thought of it... I am getting a pretty good deal for it, used for 250$.

BrianApocalypse
09-06-2008, 01:09 PM
I've not played that particular amp, but I have played something fairly similar (30 watt Crate SS, stereo amp with green tolex).

The crunch and clean modes were useless, but the lead channel was really nice. Very much in the vein of a mesa boogie.

hardrock1315
09-06-2008, 01:14 PM
No offense, but that amp isn't really good for anything. Also, that price is not a good deal at all for that amp.

I'd suggest looking for a used Marshall VS (also called Valvestate) series amp. They're the tube hybrid amps that Marshall made before the AVT series, but IMO they sound a shitload better. And they're not expensive at all. You can get them for about $200, and they're really awesome amps.

Johl
09-06-2008, 01:15 PM
Na, all around, that amp is pretty bad. Most Crates are, actually. Although, their newer tube series is pretty decent, I hear. Also, the Voodoo wasn't bad either.

Why not look into something like a Vox. I believe they have a couple decent models in that price range. Not to mention a lot more punk bands play Vox rather than Crate. Just a thought.

Swap-Meet
09-06-2008, 01:28 PM
I've not played that particular amp, but I have played something fairly similar (30 watt Crate SS, stereo amp with green tolex).

The crunch and clean modes were useless, but the lead channel was really nice. Very much in the vein of a mesa boogie.

I've never really played any other amp besides my crappy 15 wat one, and the random shitty ones the local venues have, what is the footswitch do?

is it like a little crappy dist pedal?

Swap-Meet
09-06-2008, 01:34 PM
Na, all around, that amp is pretty bad. Most Crates are, actually. Although, their newer tube series is pretty decent, I hear. Also, the Voodoo wasn't bad either.

Why not look into something like a Vox. I believe they have a couple decent models in that price range. Not to mention a lot more punk bands play Vox rather than Crate. Just a thought.

Can't find any Vox with decent power for 250$ price range, only marshall I saw that was decently powerful was 350$, the peavey bandit 112 is still an option, although it's only 80 wats, and 1 speaker, as appose to 120 wats with 2 speakers

No offense, but that amp isn't really good for anything. Also, that price is not a good deal at all for that amp.

I'd suggest looking for a used Marshall VS (also called Valvestate) series amp. They're the tube hybrid amps that Marshall made before the AVT series, but IMO they sound a shitload better. And they're not expensive at all. You can get them for about $200, and they're really awesome amps.

Can't find any good marshalls for a good price, and I don't know what you're talking about man, in montreal these things went for 500$+ new, so half price without taxes seems like a damn good deal.

David_Bowie=GOD
09-06-2008, 05:12 PM
Would a 30w vox be enough?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Vox-Valvetronix-AD30VT-30w-1x10-Guitar-Combo-Amp-102640802-i1145735.gc

if its not, then im not sure, I dont know if roland cube's play punk well, but they are loud SS amps if you get the 30w or higher.

Also, almost all crate amps blow, dont listen to what anybody who recommends one says, they are just in denial.

hardrock1315
09-06-2008, 07:14 PM
Can't find any Vox with decent power for 250$ price range, only marshall I saw that was decently powerful was 350$, the peavey bandit 112 is still an option, although it's only 80 wats, and 1 speaker, as appose to 120 wats with 2 speakers
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-Valvestate-VS265-Stereo-Chorus-Amp-2x12-65Wx2_W0QQitemZ120301553611QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120301553611&_trkparms=72%3A1144%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-VS102R-Valvestate-GUITAR-Amp_W0QQitemZ310081422737QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310081422737&_trkparms=72%3A1144%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-Valvestate-8080-combo-amp-80-watts-12-speaker_W0QQitemZ140264785407QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140264785407&_trkparms=72%3A1144%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

There are more.

Also, check your local craigslist listings.

werty22
09-07-2008, 12:02 AM
Would a 30w vox be enough?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Vox-Valvetronix-AD30VT-30w-1x10-Guitar-Combo-Amp-102640802-i1145735.gc

if its not, then im not sure, I dont know if roland cube's play punk well, but they are loud SS amps if you get the 30w or higher.

Also, almost all crate amps blow, dont listen to what anybody who recommends one says, they are just in denial.
I don't think a 30W solid-state will be loud enough. The second guitarist who just joined my band was using a 30W and it couldn't be heard over the drums during some of the songs. And it was at 100% volume, so it was distorting a lot.

I think you probably need more money do get a decent amp that's loud enough.

lavazza
09-07-2008, 08:31 AM
No offense, but that amp isn't really good for anything. Also, that price is not a good deal at all for that amp.


I play a Crate 1200H Half Stack, which is, as I see on pictures at google, basically the same, just as a half stack and not as a combo. It works really good when you just want a simple non Marshall sound. All the people Iīve talked to about that agreed with me, that my Crate is much better for a punk band than a Marshall sound.
The Clean channel is ok, but nothing special, when you donīt need it so often itīs good enough. The Rhythm channel is really good and with the Lead channel youīre able to play nice loud solos.

I played a gig with that amp yesterday, for some reason the mixer didnīt put it on monitors or really on PA, but the sound was still ok, if you want a bootleg of that gig, just tell me Iīll upload the stuff soon.

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 09:29 AM
Thanks Lavazza, and to everyone else, there is nothing that is better than the crate GT-212 that I can get in my area, I don't wanna have to pay an extra 50-100$ of shipping from ebay, and the only tube amp I want is the hot rod deluxe

whyvern
09-07-2008, 10:09 AM
honestly just get a cheap smallish tube amp. If it's a tube it'll have pretty good distortion and you'll be ok.

Here's an amp I've always liked the sound of:

http://www.fender.com/products/prod_images/amplifiers/2316100000_xl.jpg

It says that they're 400 bucks on the website but you can usually find an older one used for like 200 and I think they're perfect for punk and great to take on tour cos they're loud enough and are small enough to fit in yer van so you can fit more shit in there (or even take a car on tour).

edit: I just found one for €250 that's here in Italy... if I wasn't able to get practice spaces with nicer shit or if I was going on tour here I'd buy that.

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 02:29 PM
can't find anything decent from fender online, and 400$ is too much, I still need to help my brother buy his bass amp too after this

hooligan07
09-07-2008, 02:56 PM
the valvetronix series are good. the crate amp i think will do but you won't find the wide range of sounds you'd get with the vox.
i picked up the fender hot rod 40 watt model for 150 and i really like it so far

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 03:03 PM
you got a hot rod for 140 ****ing dollars -_-?!?!?

wow...nice job..

P.S. I plan on upgrading to a hot rod in the spring or something, I just wanna get a inexpensive loud amp, that I can jam with drummers with (so I can find one).

VOX AD30VT is the only decent wattage amp I found, and it's 250$

hooligan07
09-07-2008, 03:24 PM
yeah, the guy who owned it said it was too loud for him.
i dont think he knew what the amp was worth. it turned out be a good amp for me.
i played a valvetronix ad50 for about a year before i got my deluxe and it was really good as well. i miss the variety and range of sound it offered but like i said im happy with the deluxe.
so is the crate/vox supposed to be the loud and cheap amp you are looking for or is the hot rod supposed to be the amp you want to use for the jam sessions?

whyvern
09-07-2008, 03:25 PM
can't find anything decent from fender online, and 400$ is too much, I still need to help my brother buy his bass amp too after this


just look for a used at stores.

I just can't get into buying new music equipment... mainly cos I'm cheap. You can get a good deal on those amps when ya buy them used.

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 04:00 PM
just look for a used at stores.

I just can't get into buying new music equipment... mainly cos I'm cheap. You can get a good deal on those amps when ya buy them used.

The pawnshops in montreal have the same prices as new equipment...pretty stupid.

yeah, the guy who owned it said it was too loud for him.
i dont think he knew what the amp was worth. it turned out be a good amp for me.
i played a valvetronix ad50 for about a year before i got my deluxe and it was really good as well. i miss the variety and range of sound it offered but like i said im happy with the deluxe.
so is the crate/vox supposed to be the loud and cheap amp you are looking for or is the hot rod supposed to be the amp you want to use for the jam sessions?

I want the hot rod, can't find it on cragslist / kijiji....and it's like 600$+ taxes and shit if I buy it new

and ebay it will cost me probably 400-450 used + 60-100$ for shipping.
No good pawn shops in montreal either

whyvern
09-07-2008, 04:03 PM
The pawnshops in montreal have the same prices as new equipment...pretty stupid.


it's always a bad deal to buy from a pawn shop... try and find a guitar store that sells used equipment.

hooligan07
09-07-2008, 04:10 PM
well i'd suggest either the vox or wait until you have the cash for the deluxe.
anyway, what kind of punk do you like?

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 04:21 PM
well i'd suggest either the vox or wait until you have the cash for the deluxe.
anyway, what kind of punk do you like?

Street / Oi / 80's hardcore for the most part

Mack56
09-07-2008, 04:24 PM
Ok, my friend has an amp almost exactly like the gt-212, except it has crappy built in efx. i've heard him play through that amp a lot, and i gotta say this. The clean channel was just boring, even on the level of clean channels. the rhythm channel's gain knob is almost pointless... the lead channel was pretty fun though. hahah

hooligan07
09-07-2008, 04:31 PM
Street / Oi / 80's hardcore for the most part

the vox would work, at least for the street punk and oi.

if you like oi, check out the templars. just download some songs cuz their myspace songs are not that good. oxblood is another good band

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 04:35 PM
the vox would work, at least for the street punk and oi.

if you like oi, check out the templars. just download some songs cuz their myspace songs are not to good. oxblood is another good band

I really would prefer to not get a tube amp if it's not gonna be the hot rod, cause I know alot of cheap tube amps are made crappy, and the tubes blow easily, and I really don't wanna go through all that shit when I have alot of other things i need for my band

hooligan07
09-07-2008, 04:37 PM
the vox is a solid state. probably one of the best none tube amps.
especially for the price

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 04:38 PM
or, I thought it was a tube, 30 wats solid state is more then likely not gonna be loud enough...

hooligan07
09-07-2008, 04:44 PM
or, I thought it was a tube, 30 wats solid state is more then likely not gonna be loud enough...

ah i can't help you much there. i had the 50vt model.

all i can say is that the vox vt models are good amps. so is the deluxe .
so check both out or read about them if you can

lolmnt
09-07-2008, 04:45 PM
the vox is a solid state. probably one of the best none tube amps.
especially for the priceIt's a hybrid right? I'm not sure exactly what that means in terms of volume, but I'd imagine it's a tad louder at least.

hooligan07
09-07-2008, 04:48 PM
It's a hybrid right? I'm not sure exactly what that means in terms of volume, but I'd imagine it's a tad louder at least.

yeah i'm not keen on that sorta stuff either but yes, it is louder than other non tube amps.
and it does tend to sound better at higher volumes, like tube amps

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 04:50 PM
ah i can't help you much there. i had the 50vt model.

all i can say is that the vox vt models are good amps. so is the deluxe .
so check both out or read about them if you can

I'll probably get the gt 212, cause I really haven't found anything to match it's value in terms of power / quality / price

most people on here seem to think it's atleast good enough to use till I set some cash aside and buy a high quality amp.

lolmnt
09-07-2008, 05:03 PM
If you're just going to buy it to hold you over I'd suggest doing some serious shopping for used amps. You know pawn shops, music stores, Ebay, and Craigslist.

Swap-Meet
09-07-2008, 05:15 PM
If you're just going to buy it to hold you over I'd suggest doing some serious shopping for used amps. You know pawn shops, music stores, Ebay, and Craigslist.

I'm getting the GT-212 from Kijiji.ca ... it's like craigslist...**** ebay, I'd rather go and spend an extra 20$ for an new amp.

the gt 212 was like 500$+ before it got discontinued (guy bought it 3 years ago) and he's offering it to me for 250...seems like a good deal.

lavazza
09-08-2008, 07:27 AM
I never liked the sound of Vox or Fender for Punk, furthermore if you want to play gigs without going over a PA, you should think about getting an ampwith a big box. As stupid as it sounds, but with a small tube amp you cannot get the same sound as with a cheap half stack, if you wanted to play blues, Iīd agree, but in this case I donīt.

hardrock1315
09-08-2008, 03:37 PM
Just to answer this question, tube hybrid amps are not any louder than solid state because the tubes are only in the preamp.

Swap-Meet
09-08-2008, 08:01 PM
hmm, cause I missed my payday, and so now I have to wait till the 25th to get my amp, I may be getting either the Valveking or the Crate Vintage club series 50w 2x 12" speakers (all tube)

anyone got any opinions on either of those?

I'm willing to spend more money now, cause I am the type of guy that just is really bad at saving up for things.

Ska Wars
09-08-2008, 11:36 PM
Isn't there a punk gear thread that this could've been asked in?