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40OunceCasualty
09-07-2008, 09:52 PM
I hope im posting this in the right section, if not please just move it.

anyways, ive been getting into alot of modern crust..
SKITSYSTEM, tragedy, wolfbrigade, behind enemy lines, disfear, destroy, from ashes rise, M:40, totalt javla morker are my favorites

i cant find any good tabs for these bands too so,,

i was wondering what are the common techniques, scales, chords and progressions crustcore uses? i haven't been playing very long, only about a year and a half but i practice daily and have a good bit of theory knowledge from playing bass for 2 years and reading theory books all day in school.

any kind of help is greatly appreciated

axeslash
09-07-2008, 09:57 PM
Just hit the strings really hard and people will think you're a crust God.

gopherthegreat
09-07-2008, 09:58 PM
Scream about how police rape people, too.

crustyreed
09-07-2008, 10:00 PM
first off thats not crustcore, just crust.

Tune down and play minor chords.

chug a bunch too.
the dirtier your hair the better you play FACT

lolmnt
09-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Make sure your guitar is out of tune.

StreetLight3989
09-07-2008, 10:02 PM
Don't shower for 3 weeks, then try playing crust, you'll be a lot more sucsessful.

original=punk
09-07-2008, 10:03 PM
Yeah, minor chords and keys are best for crust.

40OunceCasualty
09-07-2008, 10:03 PM
first off thats not crustcore, just crust.

whatever. it doesn't matter.
i ment to put in my post that i dont wanna start a genre fight.

axeslash
09-07-2008, 10:03 PM
Don't play the A5 chord and follow it up with a C5 chord. Totally uncrust.

crustyreed
09-07-2008, 10:05 PM
whatever. it doesn't matter.
i ment to put in my post that i dont wanna start a genre fight.


:rolleyes:

sheesh just trying to help.

cause ya know, i guess i'm a tiny little bit more informed on the subject than the average punk forum regular.....


BTW this thread exploded. i want crusties jokes i havn't heard yet.

axeslash
09-07-2008, 10:07 PM
Why did the crustie cross the road?

Nobody cares, life is pointless and bleak.

lolmnt
09-07-2008, 10:07 PM
They've all been made

40OunceCasualty
09-07-2008, 10:07 PM
Yeah, minor chords and keys are best for crust.
could you give me an example of how youd use minor chords with powerchords?

StreetLight3989
09-07-2008, 10:08 PM
:rolleyes:

sheesh just trying to help.

cause ya know, i guess i'm a tiny little bit more informed on the subject than the average punk forum regular.....


BTW this thread exploded. i want crusties jokes i havn't heard yet.
...but there aren't many crusty jokes you smell and you're hippies, that's it :p:.

axeslash
09-07-2008, 10:10 PM
These are the crustiest chords there are. Learn them well.

e|-0---------|
B|-0---------|
G|-1---------|
D|-2----5----|
A|-2----5----|
E|-0----3----|

crustyreed
09-07-2008, 10:26 PM
could you give me an example of how youd use minor chords with powerchords?


i'm going to this ghetto style since i don't have axeslash-ish tab pro, however i doubt my chords are as crusty as THAT.

E- A5 D7 G7 B6 E5 move that, although it's a 5th string (damn i need to learn proper guitar names) I have my first on the E so it is getting a little more bass.

then on the 6th

E4 A6 D6 G4 B4 E4 then maybe move that to E4 A4 D6 G6 B4 E4 and then to E5 A4 D4 G4 entonces E4 A7 D4
whatevs melo crust is way too ****ing easy to write. if thats not what your looking for then idk. and mang in time you should be able to play over a reggae song and mke it sound like a funeral!


Oh and i mostly do downstrokes.

40OunceCasualty
09-07-2008, 10:27 PM
These are the crustiest chords there are. Learn them well.

e|-0---------|
B|-0---------|
G|-1---------|
D|-2----5----|
A|-2----5----|
E|-0----3----|
done,
what else?

40OunceCasualty
09-07-2008, 10:37 PM
E4 A6 D6 G4 B4 E4 then maybe move that to E4 A4 D6 G6 B4 E4 and then to E5 A4 D4 G4 entonces E4 A7 D4

cool, could you tab those out for me or are the chords just root-6, root-4 like that or are they six-string shapes?

crustyreed
09-07-2008, 10:58 PM
e|--4-------4-----------------
B|--4-------4-----------------
G|--4-------6-----4----------
D|--6-------6-----4----4------
A|--6-------4-----4----7-------
E|--4-------4-----5----4-----


its not lined up perfectly but its the jist. since most stuff is so heavy anyways moving one finger (as most of this is) can make a cool difference. just experiment a lot

and where do live (city wise)?


edit: Thank you sir.

EDIT again. oh my i spelt 'Jist' 'gist' whats wrong with my brain.

axeslash
09-07-2008, 11:03 PM
Reed, if you put (minus the bold) it will make it look neat and aligned. :D

40OunceCasualty
09-07-2008, 11:14 PM
e|--4-------4-----------------
B|--4-------4-----------------
G|--4-------6-----4----------
D|--6-------6-----4----4------
A|--6-------4-----4----7-------
E|--4-------4-----5----4-----


its not lined up perfectly but its the jist. since most stuff is so heavy anyways moving one finger (as most of this is) can make a cool difference. just experiment a lot

and where do live (city wise)?



what do you mean moving one finger?

ohh, im from columbus, ohio.
our punk scene is 100% pure shit
we have more grindcore bands per capita than squirrels

Zero Substance
09-07-2008, 11:17 PM
grindcore and crust normally go hand in hand, seeing as grind is just basically more extreme crust in most cases. anyway, as far as crust progressions are concerned, just use powerchords in a minor key. dissonance is your friend. that's pretty much all i can tell you.

crustyreed
09-07-2008, 11:51 PM
what do you mean moving one finger?

ohh, im from columbus, ohio.
our punk scene is 100% pure shit
we have more grindcore bands per capita than squirrels

Well in short what i tabbed is pretty much the easiest guitar part known to man, you can have your first lying on the 4th the whole time and only fiddle with your 2nd 3rd 4th fingers

and even add D-6-7-6 after for a little more flavour


and zero, technical guitar will always prevail. and why? cause were getting into metal territory...

Zero Substance
09-08-2008, 12:04 AM
and zero, technical guitar will always prevail. and why? cause were getting into metal territory...

haha. i suppose so. i just play fast, minor powerchords and it sounds good to me.

lavazza
09-08-2008, 07:51 AM
Iīm not as crust as reed, but to his chord propositions Iīd advise to use Fuzz distortion, because for the crust I know the normal amp distortion isnīt enough.

k90728
09-09-2008, 12:50 AM
Lmfao. When my band is taking a break from practicing the singer goes to the drums and i move from bass to guitar. I play the same chords you guys listed and he does d-beat. Sounds so ****ing awesome yet we just laugh it off at the end and just continue playing songs sounding like nirvana......

crustyreed
09-09-2008, 06:34 PM
I NEED YOUR ALL HELP NOW

ok ok. so it's been tempting me for so long now.

yeah.



IT.


the 7 string
with my 7th string (low... of course)

or does the punx forum think it a waste of moneyz seeing has i don't have the technical skills to work all 7 (in honesty i'd only use the lowest 5 evert song (and in a mannner to try and rip off stormcrow and hellshock to the max)
or should I just get a nice 6 and Downtune?

Zero Substance
09-09-2008, 06:42 PM
go with downtuning. its easier, cheaper, and 7 stringed guitars look a bit ridiculous.

neidnarb11890
09-09-2008, 06:46 PM
When it comes to 7 string guitars, I think Steve Jones said it best - only wankers play them.

gopherthegreat
09-09-2008, 07:07 PM
I dislike 7 string guitars.

crustyreed
09-09-2008, 07:17 PM
I have indeed heard the only wankers play them quote. It's always the first thing that comes into my mind regarding 7 strings.

the neck isn't really a problem for me since I play 5 string bass

But you guys are probaly right about sticking with 6....

but so heavy.

so ****in' heavy.

Zero Substance
09-09-2008, 07:30 PM
graves at sea will erase all your doubts about the heaviness that can be achieved with a 6 string guitar.

lavazza
09-10-2008, 06:38 AM
I donīt care for 7 strings......I mean playing a 12 string is fun as hell, so if the NuMetal idiots want to play 7 string, so that they neednīt tune down, itīs rather intelligent. The first people who did that were inventors, nevermind if it was Linkinī Park or any idiot from 1950

40OunceCasualty
09-10-2008, 09:11 PM
the 7 string
with my 7th string (low... of course)

or does the punx forum think it a waste of moneyz seeing has i don't have the technical skills to work all 7 (in honesty i'd only use the lowest 5 evert song (and in a mannner to try and rip off stormcrow and hellshock to the max)
or should I just get a nice 6 and Downtune?
haha i just got rid of my seven string today, i felt like the 7th string get in the way, it sounded pretty shitty after getting past G# anyway so it seemed pretty pointless to me.

but anyway, about crust riffs could anybody help me out with that?
and some more chord examples would be cool, preferably for drop tuning

crustyreed
09-10-2008, 10:19 PM
damn mang. selling the 7 what you getting instead?

E----7----------------------------------------------------------------
A--------------------------------------------------------------------
D---------9--10--9----9--10--9------------8-----------------------
G-----------------------------------------9-8--------------------------
B---------------------------------------8-----------------------------
E--------------------------------------------------------------------

you should be able to fool around with that the (12 on D+G are nice as is the 14 on G)

I don't do downtune los cientos

check out AFTER THE BOMBS, HELLSHOCK, and EFFIGY for some guys who know their way a fret board

original=punk
09-10-2008, 10:33 PM
Man, 7-strings are so good for heavy music, especially if you dislike downtuning.

masterofmuppets
09-11-2008, 06:42 PM
Metalhead here, can anyone reccomend me some good crust bands to start listening to?

sargasm
09-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Metalhead here, can anyone reccomend me some good crust bands to start listening to?

Check out this thread instead:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=726453

But just to start you off, check out Dystopia, Nausea, Antischism, Extinction of Mankind, and Tragedy.

gopherthegreat
09-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Metalhead here, can anyone reccomend me some good crust bands to start listening to?
Use the suggestions thread. But Antischism.

crustyreed
09-11-2008, 08:54 PM
Metalhead here, can anyone reccomend me some good crust bands to start listening to?

Although Sargasms list is a must you may wanna check dese more metalz crust bands also.

Stormcrow, sanctum, hellshock, effigy, EOM, age,

be warned those bands are more metal than most metal bands. (you'll understand.) Once you pick whether you like antischism or stormcrow better take it to the Other thread (Link already posted courtesy of sargasm) and i'll help you out more based on sub genres and your location.

40OunceCasualty
09-11-2008, 11:02 PM
damn mang. selling the 7 what you getting instead?

E----7----------------------------------------------------------------
A--------------------------------------------------------------------
D---------9--10--9----9--10--9------------8-----------------------
G-----------------------------------------9-8--------------------------
B---------------------------------------8-----------------------------
E--------------------------------------------------------------------

you should be able to fool around with that the (12 on D+G are nice as is the 14 on G)

I don't do downtune los cientos

check out AFTER THE BOMBS, HELLSHOCK, and EFFIGY for some guys who know their way a fret board
a telecaster, hey joe strummer and pete townshend cant both be wrong right?

hellshock and effigy are pretty ****in sick, never heard of after the bombs tho ill have to check them out

does anybody know anything else that'd be helpful?
i puzzled on the intro riff on the skitsystem song "Blodskam"

Zero Substance
09-11-2008, 11:59 PM
Metalhead here, can anyone reccomend me some good crust bands to start listening to?

sarcasm's list is great, and so is crustyreed's, especially since you enjoy metal. you might also want to check out

Amebix
Artimus Pyle
Assuck
Axegrinder
Driller Killer
Forca Macabra
GISM
Guided Cradle
Hellbastard
Hellkrusher
His Hero Is Gone
Iskra
Magrudergrind
SDS
Shitstorm

masterofmuppets
09-12-2008, 06:52 AM
Shit, didn't notice the suggestion thread, sorry. Thanks for the recs though.

devourthekitten
09-13-2008, 09:26 PM
Just do eighth notes at mid tempo on your lowest power chord possible, then walk up on the strings to something, yell ĻFood not bombs is coooool!Ļ, and then do some of this:

A-----1111-|
E-0000-----|
Sixty times or something.


...You probably shouldn't do that, though. I love crust (not as much as grind and pv, however), but the above is just my technique.