Tuning: 440Hz? 460Hz? WTF


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aaron66
11-04-2008, 06:03 AM
So I have a Korg tuner that you can manually and go through and select what frequency you want to tune to. At least I think thats how it works or whatever.
When I used to jam with a guy I worked with at a bar, he always talked about tuning to 460, but everyone else always mentions at least once that they use 440.

A, I have no idea what theyre talking about.

B, I have no idea what the difference is.

How does this work?

Orbit91
11-04-2008, 06:06 AM
It's best to just stick with 440 HZ, it's the standard WESTERN tuning.

GitfiddleNinjer
11-04-2008, 06:08 AM
440 is considered " standard " , it's what tuning forks are tuned at. (at least all of the ones i've seen or used)

I used to play with a guy who tuned to 435 Drop D .... Ughhh

LP_CL
11-04-2008, 06:08 AM
440 Hz is the frequency of the sinal wave of the tone of the A string. If that dude tunes it to 460 Hz, he's playing out of tune. Nothing wrong with it offcourse, but its not as it should be.

BrockTandem
11-04-2008, 06:17 AM
The number is the frequency rate of the sound wave indicating the pitch. 440 is the standard for an A4 in western standards.

lokster
11-04-2008, 07:12 AM
If you want to tune to C standard for example, what frequency would you have to use?

LP_CL
11-04-2008, 07:13 AM
just tune your lowest string to D instead of E, dont worry about frequencies

*EDIT*
Nevermind, you changed your post.

BrianApocalypse
11-04-2008, 07:15 AM
If you want to tune to C standard for example, what frequency would you have to use?

That would be 262Hz if tuning down, or 523Hz if tuning up.

Lemoninfluence
11-04-2008, 08:12 AM
If you want to tune to C standard for example, what frequency would you have to use?
440 hz.

that setting on the tuner only changes what the A above middle C is. it then works everything else out from that.

if you changed the 440 to the pitch of the C (whatever that is) it'd come out weird.

you only really need to change that setting if you're playing with an instrument that's tuned to something else but s difficult to tune eg. a slightly sharp piano, you might have to change the setting to 460 for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch that should explain things a bit better.

Diamond Dave
11-04-2008, 09:56 AM
440 hz.

that setting on the tuner only changes what the A above middle C is. it then works everything else out from that.

if you changed the 440 to the pitch of the C (whatever that is) it'd come out weird.

you only really need to change that setting if you're playing with an instrument that's tuned to something else but s difficult to tune eg. a slightly sharp piano, you might have to change the setting to 460 for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch that should explain things a bit better.
exactly

stratdud39
11-04-2008, 11:10 AM
440 is the standard amount of hz that you tune to.
if you went up to 460, you would be tuning slightly sharp.
a lot of metal bands like metallica and megadeth would speed up there songs a little bit using some recording thing, and to make your guitar sound like that, you tune it slightly sharp.
if you have ever played along to and justice for all, you would notice that your guitar(if in standard tuning) would sound slightly off. This is because they sped it up. So, dont tune to any of that music either, because you will be slightly sharp..unless you want to be slightly sharp.

Shred Head
11-04-2008, 12:20 PM
The A we're talking about is G-string fret 2 in standard tuning right?

Lemoninfluence
11-04-2008, 12:48 PM
nope 5th fret high e in standard tuning.

Dodeka
11-08-2008, 01:45 PM
Tuning to A 444 or 445 is common enough. 460 is extraordinarily high.

JuanitoAlberto
12-20-2008, 05:21 PM
and for Eb?

r2zou
12-20-2008, 05:30 PM
and for Eb?
you dont seem to understand. if you have a tuner that reads all the notes you dont have to change the freq to tune to Eb
you just tune your strings to Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
if you change the freq so that A is Ab then you would have to tune to E A D G B E. either way you have to tune it to something so theres no point in changing the freq

Dodeka
12-20-2008, 07:39 PM
and for Eb?

That Eb is still in reference to A 4XX (whatever you use), so the frequency doesn't need to be changed.

CJRocker
12-20-2008, 07:47 PM
If you don't know some basic theory, here is all you need to know: Make sure the tuner is calibrated at 440hz for A. I think it's a bit easier to understand the whole hertz thing after reading some theory, but the reason 440hz is the standard is so that you don't get a choursy effect in a band like you might in a well, chorus, because people sing an A at different frequencies. Having that standard in guitars eliminates that. Once you learn a bit more, you can figure out how changing that influences your sound and how it can be used. I think it is simpler though to just leave it be at 440.

Krzy8
12-20-2008, 07:50 PM
just leave the freq. at the standard 440.

once you understand more you can alter it to your needs, though kind of unlikely.

sometimes i tune at umm 400? im not sure havent dont it in awhile.
gives a nice sound for my friend and i in d standard

apak
12-20-2008, 08:25 PM
people change the pitch a little so it's almost impossible to achieve the exact sound. i think you have to have a trained ear to hear the extra "heaviness" of tuning down like 10 Hz. maybe like 30-40 would alter tone. Dimebag tuned retarded a lot. like 1/4 step or something. It's just a preference i guess.

Dodeka
12-20-2008, 09:14 PM
people change the pitch a little so it's almost impossible to achieve the exact sound. i think you have to have a trained ear to hear the extra "heaviness" of tuning down like 10 Hz. maybe like 30-40 would alter tone. Dimebag tuned retarded a lot. like 1/4 step or something. It's just a preference i guess.

10 Hz lower than 440 is 39.8 cents, which is quite noticeable.

My personal preference is A 432.