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recklessnick
11-09-2008, 02:34 AM
got this idea from a bridge9 thread.
what are 3 records you think have changed hardcore and 3 records you think will change hardcore in the future.

im going with
minor threat - discography
gorilla biscuits - start today
comeback kid - turn it around

and

life long tragedy - runaways
have heart - songs to scream the sun
verse - from anger and rage

ralph wiggum
11-09-2008, 02:41 AM
i would agree with those
do you post on bgo as well?

Manos15
11-09-2008, 02:46 AM
American Nightmare - Background Music
Cro-Mags - Age of Quarrel
Black Flag - Damaged

smartguyreviews
11-09-2008, 02:49 AM
whatever album had "i cum blood" on it.

EDIT: in all seriousness, Speak English or Die

Cgc1215
11-09-2008, 04:05 AM
Champion- Promises Kept anyone?

nudge
11-09-2008, 04:13 AM
Champion- Promises Kept anyone?

Yes!!!! Ive got there live DVD so amazing

12shinn21
11-09-2008, 05:31 AM
i would agree with those
do you post on bgo as well?
Haha what from that post makes him seem like he posts on bgo? Not trying to have a go, just curious.

Lord-O-Donuts
11-09-2008, 05:36 AM
whatever album had "i cum blood" on it.
That is a song by Cannibal Corpse (a death metal band), you ignorant little ****.

I wish people would stop posting that.

waldorphPRS41
11-09-2008, 05:44 AM
That is a song by Cannibal Corpse (a death metal band), you ignorant little ****.

I wish people would stop posting that.
Don't worry, people that actually post in this forum (unlike him) don't think that is an appropriate answer.

loxer
11-09-2008, 06:15 AM
Botch - We Are The Romans.

redh0tchilip3pp
11-09-2008, 06:17 AM
The Shape Of Punk To Come (Obviously)

ralph wiggum
11-09-2008, 06:43 AM
Haha what from that post makes him seem like he posts on bgo? Not trying to have a go, just curious.

i was just wondering because he said he posts on b9
why? do you? :p:

kurtrip
11-09-2008, 07:22 AM
in addition to what allready is named:
Bad Brains - s/t
Rites of Spring - End on End
Rorschauch - Protestant

for the future I think these records will influence a lot of bands,
I allready see a lot of bands (my own band included) being influenced by these:
Ceremony - Violence Violence
Trash Talk - Walking Disease
Bracewar - Juggernaut

12shinn21
11-09-2008, 08:12 AM
i was just wondering because he said he posts on b9
why? do you? :p:
I lurk, never really post. Username?

recklessnick
11-09-2008, 08:47 AM
im NoEdgeNick on bridge9. but i really prefer ug forums to b9 forums.

ralph wiggum
11-09-2008, 09:10 AM
the ug hardcore forum is so slow compared to bgo
but i somewhat prefer it, bgo is full of hostile elitist c*nts that tear you to shreds if you make a bad post or say something they dont agree with.

Come be my e-friend haha, i have none yet

Cedence
11-09-2008, 10:12 AM
American Nightmare - Background Music
Cro-Mags - Age of Quarrel
Black Flag - Damaged

EDIT: haha shit, manos has the exact same list. oh well, my statement still stands

Internal Chaos
11-09-2008, 01:06 PM
Black Flag - Damaged
Minor Threat - Discography
Gorilla Biscuits - Gorilla Biscuits (in a way, brought hardcore back)

As for more modern hardcore

Carpathian - Isolation
Have Heart - Songs to Scream at the Sun
The Carrier - No Love Can Save Me

aggiefan33
11-09-2008, 01:13 PM
Modern Life Is War - Witness. has already influenced bands like Have Heart and Verse on their newest records, and i think a lot more bands will use their sound.

JxD
11-09-2008, 01:30 PM
I would put Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Black Flag, etc. but since the question is what bands changed hardcore, I'd have to say:

Cro-Mags- Age of Quarrel (people are still trying to be them today)
Unbroken- Discography (crucial metalcore band)
Infest- Slave (helped get powerviolence moving)

As for records that will likely change hardcore:

Pulling Teeth- Vicious Skin (shred riffs and excellent vocals without being a metal band)
Cursed- II (probably one of the best albums ever made)
Comeback Kid- Wake the Dead (I'm not really into them, but there's no denying that this album was pretty big, fairly accessible, and drew a lot of people into the music)

There's some other bands like Quicksand, Lifetime, Burn, Kid Dynamite, Judge, Integrity, Descendents, In My Eyes, and 7 Seconds that belong in those lists too, but I didn't think of them soon enough.

Manos15
11-09-2008, 02:18 PM
the ug hardcore forum is so slow compared to bgo
but i somewhat prefer it, bgo is full of hostile elitist c*nts that tear you to shreds if you make a bad post or say something they dont agree with.

What the hell is bgo?

I<3Hobos
11-09-2008, 02:24 PM
whatever album had "i cum blood" on it.
This isn't the Pit, its the Hardcore Forum.

zayG
11-09-2008, 03:04 PM
Cro-Mags - AOQ (what band doesnt try to sound like this?)
Siege - Drop Dead (or Infest - Slave) (pretty important for anything fast or PV)
Black Flag - Damaged (obviously)

and a few i think may change hardcore

****ed Up - Hidden World (kinda obvious, one of the most original bands in hardcore right now)
American Nightmare - Background Music (already has but more and more bands are playing this style)
MLIW - Witness (band sucks, album sucks, but tons and tons of bands are starting to play this style)

aggiefan33
11-09-2008, 04:19 PM
MLIW - Witness (band sucks, album sucks,
False

12shinn21
11-09-2008, 04:27 PM
the ug hardcore forum is so slow compared to bgo
but i somewhat prefer it, bgo is full of hostile elitist c*nts that tear you to shreds if you make a bad post or say something they dont agree with.

and 12shinn21 my user name is xjackx
Come be my e-friend haha, i have none yet
Haha I've seen you being called out in a few threads haha.

Manos, it's an aus hardcore forum.

buddha:)
11-09-2008, 04:30 PM
SLEEPING GIANT
kinda good kinda not. since then everything is getting deeper and heavier with these new bands and im a have heart kid. its not of me to love nor hate it but its definantley changed some things

pmeg568c
11-09-2008, 06:03 PM
lol the new have heart? groundbreaking? changing? not in the slightest bit. and i'm not just saying that because i don't like them. The new verse is also not groundbreaking either, its same old verse. Now maybe i could agree with rebuild or from anger and rage.

the only record i can think of that is really grounbreaking in this time period is

the carrier - one year later

treflip
11-09-2008, 07:25 PM
Converge- Jane Doe

ralph wiggum
11-10-2008, 02:57 AM
Haha I've seen you being called out in a few threads haha.

Manos, it's an aus hardcore forum.

hahaha first post i made i was flamed because i had "viper town" as my location.

and i dont think isolation is that ground breaking
although its an amazing album there is allot out there that has done the slow melodic hardcore thing before carpathian.

Internal Chaos
11-10-2008, 04:06 AM
Carpathian's Isolation really blew me away though. Oh my god, it is such a good album.

ralph wiggum
11-10-2008, 04:14 AM
yeah its awesome
ive listened to it the whole way through like 60 something times now.. its good that its short because you don't get sick of it and end up listening to something else.

PiNk_ThE_pUnK
11-10-2008, 08:29 AM
Now this is the kind of good thread we need. In terms of records that have changed hardcore I'd go with:

Integrity - Den Of Iniquity. Let's face it, one of the best if not the best early metallic hardcore albums.

Cro-Mags - Age Of Quarrel. As has already been said, there are so many bands trying to be Cro-Mags still and they all just can't do it.

Bad Brains - S/T. Back in the 80's Bad Brains were THE band to be.

As far as modern records that are still changing hardcore today I'll go with:

Cursed - I'm not picking an album because their discography is just incredible.

Carry On - It's All Our Blood. This album was fast, hard and emotionally charged. Everything that a hardcore band should be.

Modern Life Is War - Modern Life Is War EP. Not their best as far as I'm concerned but definitely influential.

kryptonite22
11-10-2008, 09:56 AM
^ Definitely MLIW. Someone mentioned 'Runaways' up the top, which is a great record, but for me bands like that were influenced by MLIW in the first place so it makes sense to mention them.

Andrewbiles
11-10-2008, 10:43 AM
That is a song by Cannibal Corpse (a death metal band), you ignorant little ****.

I wish people would stop posting that.

You're not alone, it's a really annoying and unoriginal (and more often than not irrelevant) response.

bloodstained
11-10-2008, 05:50 PM
minor threat - salad days
bad brains - i against i
glassjaw - everything you wanted to know about silence
refused - shape of punk to come
fugazi - repeater
black flag - my war
coalesce - functioning on impatience
botch - american nervosa
converge - petitioning the empty sky
dag nasty - can i say
dead kennedys - give me convienence or give me death
death by stereo - day of the death
drive like jehu - yank crime
turning point - its always darkest before dawn
hope conspiracy - cold blue
planes mistaken for stars - **** with fire
propagandhi - todays empires, tomorrows ashes
quicksand - slip
gorilla biscuits - start today
reagan youth - a collection of pop classics
lifetime - jerseys barstards
saves the day - can't slow down
set your goals - self titled ep
strike anywhere - change is a sound
scream - still screaming
shai hulud - that within blood blood ill-tempered
thursday - waiting
everytime i die - hot damn
faded grey - a quite time of desperation
hot water music - fuel for the hate game
falling foward - hand me down
kid dynamite - cheap shots, youth anthems
native nod - today puberty, tomorrow the world
yaphet kotto - teh killer was in the governmemt blankets
still life - from angry heads with skyward eyes
at the drive in - in casino out
and a boy sets fire record

Haymaker17
11-11-2008, 01:32 AM
i really dont know that many bands from the 80s so i guess i'll just go with newer bands, some of which are not strictly hardcore. more of a favorites list actually.

converge - jane doe
converge - petitioning the empty sky
shai hulud - hearts onced nourished with hope and compassion
7 angels 7 plagues - jhazmynes lullaby
poison the well - opposite of december
the carrier - i really like all of their stuff at the moment, but one year later might be my favorite.
bane - holding this moment
snapcase - progression through learning
hope conspiracy - cold blue
have heart - the things we carry
black flag - damaged. pretty much the only older one im familiar with.
buried alive - death of your perfect world
champion - promises kept

recklessnick
11-11-2008, 04:24 AM
i'd say kid dynamite's shorter, faster, louder played a big part

Internal Chaos
11-11-2008, 05:10 AM
My Carpathian post seems to be disliked.

I'm not saying it's changed an awful lot (because it's just gotten released) but with it, we see a hugely doom influenced hardcore record with lyrics everyone can relate to, so we can see numerous bands coming out next year with this style, because Carpathian are more mainstream over here anyway than a lot of the other slower hardcore bands out.

My view, but yeah.

Garden_Of_Light
11-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Hardcore has never really been about lyrics you can't relate to.
Doom influenced? Consciously? Really?

Internal Chaos
11-11-2008, 03:39 PM
Yeah, doom influenced. Sludgy would have been a better word, but yeah, doom.

There may be other bands who did it first, but Carpathian are so much more mainstream. And while I know that most hardcore is about this, but Carpathian are just so blatant about it. Best band out there now, absolutely awesome.

zayG
11-11-2008, 06:44 PM
Best band out there now, absolutely awesome.
OOOOOF.

Garden_Of_Light
11-11-2008, 07:25 PM
Yeah, doom influenced. Sludgy would have been a better word, but yeah, doom.

There may be other bands who did it first, but Carpathian are so much more mainstream. And while I know that most hardcore is about this, but Carpathian are just so blatant about it. Best band out there now, absolutely awesome.

There's way sludgier hardcore out there and they're not particularly mainstream worldwide. It would be like me saying Your Demise are a really good straight edge band, bands have been straight edge for years but they're more mainstream.

Good band nonetheless, but not the best.

)Eric(Draven
11-11-2008, 08:45 PM
lol the new have heart? groundbreaking? changing? not in the slightest bit. and i'm not just saying that because i don't like them. The new verse is also not groundbreaking either, its same old verse. Now maybe i could agree with rebuild or from anger and rage.
It's not about maybe... if you can only pick 3 albums, they have to be definitelys. The new have heart won't change anything. I would say the same thing about any Modern Life is War record, they don't really sound different from anything before them either. I like a few songs but for the most part they're kinda boring :/ Now, The Carrier; definitely.

Old records;

Bad Brains - S/T
Minor Threat - Discography
Black Flag - Damaged

As generic of a list that is, it's true.

New records;

The Carrier - Discography
Botch - Kids steal this sound without even realizing it because all the bands they listen to stole this sound
Comeback Kid - Wake the Dead

Keep in mind, this is a list of records that have forever changed hardcore, not a list of your favorite records, or records that have changed the way you listen to/see/play hardcore.


Converge- Jane Doe
I'm very on the fence about this one, partially because it's an album I hold very dear to my precious little heart, but also because I don't really know if it changed anything. This album was incredible, there is no doubt about that, but I don't see hardcore changing as an effect of it, and maybe that's because I've almost exclusively been a part of the post-Jane Doe hardcore scene, or maybe that's because no one can figure out Converge, or maybe that's because Converge is sort of beyond hardcore, in reach enough for us to claim them, but far out enough for us to realize they don't sound like anything or anyone else. Has this record influenced kids greatly? Yes. Has it inspired kids? Of course. So maybe it did change hardcore, but as far as the sound and the way it is imitated or influential, I am not so sure.


PS bloodstained - You're not tight because you can list a bunch of hardcore records.
PS Haymaker - Neither are you. Especially when you admit to not knowing the roots.

recklessnick
11-11-2008, 11:30 PM
jane doe changed hardcore in a way that it emerged metalcore and mathcore? i think its pretty influential

aggiefan33
11-11-2008, 11:44 PM
imo what MLIW was doing with Witness is way more original than any of the Carrier's shit. i honestly don't get the hate :(

bunterrr
11-11-2008, 11:50 PM
Carpathian- Nothing to Lose
50 Lions- Time is the Enemy

as well as any:
Jack Napier
PwD
etc

and Jungle Fever are alrite too.

good to see some Aussies in here :)

12shinn21
11-12-2008, 12:12 AM
Haha wow.

Manos15
11-12-2008, 12:16 AM
imo what MLIW was doing with Witness is way more original than any of the Carrier's shit. i honestly don't get the hate :(
backed

jibran
11-12-2008, 01:07 AM
I'd say jane doe is pretty inspirational and influential.


Here's a band that would agree:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=53970525

Half the world's metalcore riffs were stolen from that one album alone.

)Eric(Draven
11-12-2008, 01:32 AM
You're right, Jane Doe did change hardcore forever, I guess I was a little contradictory/ambiguous in my last post when I kind of said that. But in response to "half the world's metalcore riffs were stolen from that album alone," I still haven't heard anything like what was on Jane Doe on anyone else's records. I've heard imitated ferocity, like, you could probably compare the chaos on a Trap Them record to the chaos on Jane Doe, but I don't think there any guitar players who could figure out what the hell Kurt Ballou is doing, or what any of the guys in that band are doing, for that matter. There's just too many layers and too much texture to that band. But maybe I don't really listen to enough metalcore to know, which is probably the case.

That band named themselves after a Converge song, they sound nothing like them though.

Haymaker17
11-12-2008, 01:54 AM
^^^yeah that album and their albums after have a ton of textures, but I feel Jane Doe is the most complex. It really is amazing that they can reproduce that sound live especially with just one guitarist playing. Just goes to show how good kurt ballou is as a guitar player. I think that alot of other elements have been immitated, but in terms of sound it's hard to find a band able to replicate it. Like you said, some bands have immitated the chaos, but never the overall sound and experience. Also, I feel the lyrical and thematic elements Bannon writes about in their songs although sometimes trite, are completely unique because of his metaphoric techniques. To be honest I wish I'd thought of some of the stuff he has. haha.

ralph wiggum
11-12-2008, 02:34 AM
Carpathian- Nothing to Lose
50 Lions- Time is the Enemy

as well as any:
Jack Napier
PwD
etc

and Jungle Fever are alrite too.

good to see some Aussies in here :)


no

nudge
11-12-2008, 02:42 AM
Carpathian- Nothing to Lose
50 Lions- Time is the Enemy

as well as any:
Jack Napier
PwD
etc

and Jungle Fever are alrite too.

good to see some Aussies in here :)

Though i do love my aussie hardcore
I wouldnt call these influencial

Internal Chaos
11-12-2008, 09:26 AM
Time Is The Enemy is influential?

It's like, standard hardcore with subpar vocals.

smartguyreviews
11-12-2008, 05:16 PM
That is a song by Cannibal Corpse (a death metal band), you ignorant little ****.

I wish people would stop posting that.

i never said it was a good song, but it pops up everywhere in the pit.

JxD
11-12-2008, 07:53 PM
I'm going to ignore the last bunch of comments and add to my former list of old records and put in:

Negative Approach- Tied Down (perfect record)
Burn- S/T (bands ape Burn without even realizing it, get this or forever be a chump)
7 Seconds- The Crew (arguably the best record ever made)

As for Converge with Jane Doe, I think it's proving to be influential. I don't think it really reinvented the way hardcore was played, but it sure improved the genre. Aaron Dalbec was way ahead of the pack on his guitar playing on that album.

Garden_Of_Light
11-12-2008, 09:48 PM
The Carrier are just building on foundations laid by MLIW.
This is a classroom btw.

recklessnick
11-12-2008, 10:45 PM
^haha

well, i think im just gonna go ahead and say that modern life is war's witness changed life long tragedy, have heart, the carrier and verse?

Internal Chaos
11-12-2008, 11:11 PM
I Cum Blood is a good song, it just isn't hardcore. More like 1992 Floridian death metal. CC are a great band.

nz_matt
11-12-2008, 11:40 PM
the ug hardcore forum is so slow compared to bgo
but i somewhat prefer it, bgo is full of hostile elitist c*nts that tear you to shreds if you make a bad post or say something they dont agree with.

and 12shinn21 my user name is xjackx
Come be my e-friend haha, i have none yet
That's because you're clueless.
It's not about maybe... if you can only pick 3 albums, they have to be definitelys. The new have heart won't change anything. I would say the same thing about any Modern Life is War record, they don't really sound different from anything before them either. I like a few songs but for the most part they're kinda boring :/ Now, The Carrier; definitely.
Name a band that did something like MLIW - Witness before them.

kurtrip
11-13-2008, 12:53 PM
Negative Approach- 7"(perfect record)

:p:

kryptonite22
11-14-2008, 07:18 AM
i think im just gonna go ahead and say that modern life is war's witness changed life long tragedy, have heart, the carrier and verse?exactly :)