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trashedlostfdup 02-24-2011 06:49 AM

what makes a german voiced amp a german voiced amp?
 
i know what german voicing sounds like, and i know that primarily the tonestack is what affects the voicing of the amp. so what is the most common tube used in "german" voiced amps? what are the approximate tonestack frequencies? are there any other contributers?

Tunder250 02-24-2011 06:59 AM

it's always the germans!!


sorry, i had to say that :haha:

I love the sound of a good ENGL
I wanna hear the answer too ^^

AcousticMirror 02-24-2011 07:09 AM

filtering. a lot of filtering.

IronFeliks 02-24-2011 07:25 AM

The wattage... It's actually pronounced Vattage, or Vatts.

I couldn't resist the joke, I know it's not the pit...

If I knew I'd let you know, I'd think it has to do with the way it clips the signal, but I've never even heard of a German Voiced Amp.


James

Funk Monk 02-24-2011 11:46 AM

I know this probably won't help, but ENGL mainly uses 6L6 and EL34 Tubes in their amps, and like 4 to 5 preamp tubes.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/...ead-?sku=481498

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/...-6L6?sku=481489

311ZOSOVHJH 02-24-2011 03:13 PM

Probably not exactly what you are looking for but Post #7 in this thread may help a bit :cheers:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1176864

Tone Test Thread

natehimself 02-24-2011 03:25 PM

lotsa low mids

Tunder250 02-24-2011 03:29 PM

I don't understand xD

i only can see that you have a lot of mids and a bump in the higher mids?
but much more???

mespinos 02-24-2011 04:09 PM

Lots of compression and thick tight tone. That's what I always associated with German high gainers.

Can't tell you much more than that.

Edit: my engl's powered by 6550s but most other engl's are 6l6 or el34

fly135 02-24-2011 04:11 PM

The last time I heard an Engl demoed, an MG beat it. :D

Tom 1.0 02-24-2011 04:11 PM

Best of US and Brit amps and usually with that ability to be saturated as **** with more clarity than crystal.

sashki 02-24-2011 06:18 PM

From my limited understanding, "british" voicing refers a pronounced midrange, "american" amps have lots of bass and treble but less mids than british, and germans are a sort of more neutral-sounding middle ground between the two.

Having said that, I've heard plenty of different descriptions from different people which often contradict one another.

bluestratplayer 02-24-2011 06:20 PM

about $3000

TheQuailman 02-24-2011 06:27 PM

It's honestly an even more useless categorisation than "British" or "American" tone. Much like these, it's meant to describe the tone of a handful of famous amps. When I hear that term, I think mostly of an Engl Savage 120.

stratman_13 02-24-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestratplayer
about $3000

:haha :haha

But in all seriousness, when I think of German I think of really dry gain, very tight, and lots of low mids.

Past that, I couldn't really tell you.

Mybleedinglung8 02-24-2011 08:46 PM

The sound of win. But really most high-end amps sound unique.

coolstoryangus 02-24-2011 08:59 PM

Precision engineering.

IronMaiden76 02-24-2011 09:23 PM

ümlaüts.

brentonlatour 02-24-2011 09:55 PM

a german amp can drink more beer and eat more bratwurst than british or american amps. and you have to go to the dealer for parts and repair. also everything is metric.

mmolteratx 02-24-2011 10:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by trashedlostfdup
i know what german voicing sounds like, and i know that primarily the tonestack is what affects the voicing of the amp. so what is the most common tube used in "german" voiced amps? what are the approximate tonestack frequencies? are there any other contributers?


The typical "German" voicing is lots of low mids, tight lows and a subdued high end. They're usually very dry sounding. The tone stack is not a significant contributer to the voicing though. Basically every amp uses the exact same one with the same or almost the same values. It's all due to coupling caps, cathode bypass caps and snubber caps along with appropriate grid stopper and plate resistor values.


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