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David_91744 09-16-2012 04:30 AM

Signature Changes
 
Hey everyone, I'd like some advice on how you guys approach time signature changes when you write. I'm writing some Death Metal so 4/4 to 3/4 is always fun.

I'd like some examples of really catchy switches. Not just an obvious time signature change just to say "yeah we put a time signature change" you know? Cheers :)

Pretty much just tell me your experiences writing catchy switches. "I wrote a song that did "this" before I switched to 3/4" etc.

And yes, writing Death Metal can be fun. Unless you write boring riffs with no point.

Revocati0n 09-16-2012 05:15 AM

the start of Cannibal Corpse's "Staring Through the Eyes of the Dead" is a good example of time signatures changing.

'll point you in the direction of Necrophagist, Obscura, Cynic etc.

The change in signatures and how well the riffs change is completely dependent on the riffs themselves.

What type of death metal are you writing?

Keth 09-16-2012 05:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by David_91744
Hey everyone, I'd like some advice on how you guys approach a in change signatures smoothly. I'm writing some Death Metal so 4/4 to 3/4 is always fun.

I'd like some examples of really catchy switches. Not just an obvious time signature change just to say "yeah we put a time signature change" you know? Cheers :)


Death metal shouldn't be fun :mad: :mad:

You already answered the question in your second part -> the smoothest time signatures changes are the ones that aren't "yeah we put a time signature change".
What this means to you is that you should get the sound/riffs in your head first, then figure them out. If there's a time signature change in those riffs, then cool. If not, still cool.

Anyway, Cannibal Corpse later works, Nile and Defeated Sanity have quite some time signature changes, for standard death metal. If you're interested in the what lighter, more prog style: Cynic and Gordian Knot.

Defeated Sanity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGFF...&feature=relmfu

Gordian Knot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zo7...feature=related

Revocati0n 09-16-2012 05:18 AM

Defeated Sanity = best death metal band ever

Revocati0n 09-16-2012 05:22 AM

Yeah, I dont really understand the question either

beer bear 09-16-2012 05:39 AM

If you feel like you have to change signatures, try keeping the riff similar to the one in the original signature. Have you or your drummer figure out where the accents are. That'll make it easier. Like if you have a riff in 9/8, are the accents:
1 23 45 6 7 8 9
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
etc etc...

MaggaraMarine 09-16-2012 08:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keth
Death metal shouldn't be fun :mad: :mad:

You already answered the question in your second part -> the smoothest time signatures changes are the ones that aren't "yeah we put a time signature change".
What this means to you is that you should get the sound/riffs in your head first, then figure them out. If there's a time signature change in those riffs, then cool. If not, still cool.

Anyway, Cannibal Corpse later works, Nile and Defeated Sanity have quite some time signature changes, for standard death metal. If you're interested in the what lighter, more prog style: Cynic and Gordian Knot.

Defeated Sanity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGFF...&feature=relmfu

Gordian Knot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zo7...feature=related

This. Though, you can always "fine tune" the riff that you have written in 4/4. For example the end of Ozzy Osbourne's "No More Tears" (I know, it's not death metal :D ) is the same riff as before but in 4/4 + 5/4.

You could also change the drum beat.


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