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Who Sh0t Ya HxO 10-02-2012 12:37 AM

Need Help With Musical Notation
 
How important is it to know musical notation?

Hydra150 10-02-2012 12:43 AM

Depends what you want to do with your musical journey/career.

xxdarrenxx 10-02-2012 01:14 AM

If you wanna make music by yourself it depends, but it's a valuable skill nonetheless if you have time to learn it.

I lost some compositions I wrote years back, due to not being able to write it down in the past.

Almost every piece of music and theory is available in sheet. So another time it can come in handy.

Also if you become for example more involved with producing, and you write for instance a soul song and want the local brass band to do some brass stuff, then it's pretty handy if you can arrange and write it down for each instrument.

Just a few examples :)

Btw Sightreading in real time is a different beast, and isn't necessary to learn, although if you learn notation, then over time this skill learns itself.

Hail 10-02-2012 03:06 AM

i would certainly learn it. you can record, tab out, and otherwise take note of riffs, songs, progressions, etc very easily with minimal equipment and software, so that's not necessarily the issue imo

sheet music tells you basically everything about a piece. from the rhythm to the dynamics to the articulation to the accents to the tempo to the key, everything can be unfurled very quickly and easily with proper experience, and taking note of all of these aspect will help visualize the entirety of a piece of music learning aurally or otherwise rather than just the notes or finger positions being played.

not to mention, if you want to do session work or teach, even just as a weekend thing, it'll give you a huge leg up in terms of credibility and versatility.

Who Sh0t Ya HxO 10-03-2012 12:00 AM

Let's say the dot that comes next is a D note, okay but what D note and on which string?

Hydra150 10-03-2012 12:03 AM

Whichever string is most convenient for your fingers. The D thats on the fourth line up could be played on the 2nd strinf 3rd fret, an octave lower the D note on the space below the bottom line could be played on open D string.

Hydra150 10-03-2012 12:05 AM

Quick google image search results;








That should keep you right as to what octave you are playing in, but which position/string you play is up to you to decide depending on context and stuff.

Who Sh0t Ya HxO 10-03-2012 12:37 AM

Greek and calculus, these graphs are not explaining it very well.

rockingamer2 10-03-2012 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
Let's say the dot that comes next is a D note, okay but what D note and on which string?

Depends. It could be obvious depending on what you're playing. It could tell you what finger to use. It could tell you what position your in. Music written for guitar will be tell you what's up, but "plain" sheet music will need some working out on your end.

roozmarry871 10-03-2012 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydra150
Quick google image search results;








That should keep you right as to what octave you are playing in, but which position/string you play is up to you to decide depending on context and stuff.


very very well structure, thanks for this helped full post.

Sleepy__Head 10-03-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydra150
Depends what you want to do with your musical journey/career.


This.

If you're going classical it's a necessity.
If you're going to work with musicians who all use notation it will make your life much easier.
If you're mainly going to hang out with the tab crowd maybe not so vital.

Personally I would say learn it because it's another skill and it will probably become useful to you even if it's not immediately obvious how just at the moment.

Who Sh0t Ya HxO 10-03-2012 10:35 PM

I like to play metal and one day I would like to get to the neo-classical level of shredding.

Hydra150 10-03-2012 10:45 PM

Can you envision a scenario where you may benefit from being able to read or regret not having learned to read?
As a neo-classical metalhead, maybe you will want to be able to practice some Paganini exercises without using tab :shrug:

Hail 10-03-2012 10:56 PM

as a neo-classical metalhead, you need to realize your taste'll probably turn 180 degrees within a year, especially if you're still in HS.

i have more witch house, gang rap, and zappa CDs in my car than anything remotely metal, and i had my hair past my nipples and a closet full of slayer/CC shirts a year and a half ago.

91RG350 10-04-2012 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hail
....i had my hair past my nipples....

Growing in which direction....? Down....? Or........up.....?

Sleepy__Head 10-04-2012 03:41 AM

I started off listening to metal (age 15), changed to goth (age 18), changed to indie (age 21), changed to classical (age 24), back to indie (some hip-hop thrown in - age 30), changed to dance (age 30), listened to anything I could get my hands on (33-40), back to metal (age 41), on the cusp of doing other stuff (age 43 - now).

Based on my own experience I would say your musical tastes are going to evolve. And if your tastes are going to evolve the more skills you have to evaluate that music the more likely you are to be able to emulate the music you like. And the more likely you are to emulate the music you like the more likely you are to be able to participate in a scene, get a job, get famous, get laid and have a drugs overdose.

So don't learn to read music. Because you'll die of a drugs overdose.

mdc 10-04-2012 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
I like to play metal and one day I would like to get to the neo-classical level of shredding.


fudger 10-06-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rockingamer2
Depends. It could be obvious depending on what you're playing. It could tell you what finger to use. It could tell you what position your in. Music written for guitar will be tell you what's up, but "plain" sheet music will need some working out on your end.

No, just plain old no. A dotted note has nothing to do with hand position or what octave to play in. A dotted note in notation adds half the rhythmic value to the dotted note. I.e. a dotted quarter for it played as a quarter note with a eighth note, a dotted whole note is played as a whole note with a qhalf note, etc

jazz_rock_feel 10-06-2012 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fudger
No, just plain old no. A dotted note has nothing to do with hand position or what octave to play in. A dotted note in notation adds half the rhythmic value to the dotted note. I.e. a dotted quarter for it played as a quarter note with a eighth note, a dotted whole note is played as a whole note with a qhalf note, etc

1) You misread the question: the TS meant 'dot' in the sense of dots on the page, not dot as in a dotted note.
2) You misread the answer: RG was saying that guitar music might have indications as to fingerings and/or strings to play the notes on, whereas non-guitar or plain sheet music definitely won't and would require you to figure it out on your own.


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