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losing battle 10-10-2012 09:50 PM

high E string getting caught in frets
 
So on my early 70's gibson lp deluxe every now and again it will get stuck inbetween the frets and the binding frets and I have to pull it out. So I'm wondering how to repair this and is it something that I could easily do or should I see a tech? Thanks.

Black'n'Tan 10-10-2012 10:44 PM

Is it slipping off the nut and happening like that?

When I was just starting out that happened a few times with a floyd rose guitar strung with 9s.

It also happened with most Gibsons I tried in the store, but with those I had knocked the string all the way out of the nut. I'd heard that they came with shallow nut slots so that you had room to set the string height at the nut wherever you wanted it. But the action didn't seem that high, so I dunno.

I haven't had that problem in a long time, and it (string slipping out of the nut) only has happened to me with a Fender a couple of times--I play Strats more than anything else.

Do you have problems with other devices, too, like falling into toilets?

Viban 10-10-2012 11:12 PM

I think he's saying that his frets overhang a bit and if her bends to far it'll get stuck in them.

Kevin Saale 10-10-2012 11:16 PM

The end of the frets might need to be rebeveled, or the frets are lifting, which I'd find unusual to be happening to them all, unless its consistently get caught under the same one.

TS, you'll need to be more specific or take some detailed pictures showing what wrong.

Without knowing more and given the age of the guitar I wouldn't be surprised if the wood has shrunk and now the frets overhang a small amount like Viban said.

OldEscape 10-10-2012 11:20 PM

That happens on one of my guitars from time to time with the first string, I just bend the first string up towards the second string. You may want to have your frets filed, I haven't addressed it on my guitar because it hasn't been an issue, it has some interesting uses for weird effects if you can work around it.

whywefight 10-10-2012 11:33 PM

My old guitar had it, but it's a pos so I didn't do anything about it. New guitar: haven't had problems.

losing battle 10-11-2012 12:32 AM

It is the 2nd, 3rd and 6ths that it happens with.
Here are some bleh picks of my problem on the seccond fret it felt weird doing it on purpose.



On the seccond fret there is a small gap I can see between the binding and frets. The others I really can't see that well anyway inb4 jokes about ugly ass couch.

deadsmileyface 10-11-2012 12:41 AM

Sounds like fret sprout: http://www.fender.com/news/index.ph...lay_article=899

Viban 10-11-2012 12:45 AM

Your couch is giving me some mad GAS.

Black'n'Tan 10-11-2012 01:10 AM

Looks like more than just sprouting, based on the picture. Looks like the fret is a little loose since the string is up under the fret up to the binding. Either that or the binding is worn down under the fret.

A luthier should be able to re-secure the fret. If you're adventurous and have/get the right tools, you can fix it yourself. If you get the tools from Stewmac.com, then you might spend more than you would having a luthier do it.

I have a little sprouting on that Ibanez with the Floyd. It has binding too; probably not a dried fretboard since it's maple. Is your rosewood dry? You might try a couple of lemon oil treatments on the fret board and see if that fixes it first. Looks like the string might have worked the fret out a bit, though. I'm surprised that fret isn't buzzing on the high strings...

W4RP1G 10-11-2012 02:15 AM

You could probably fix that yourself if you don't want to pay someone to do it. Like so:

* Mask off the wood around the fret and on the back of the neck in that area

* Lay the guitar down on a bench or the floor or something

* Put something under that part of the neck(like a book, for example)

* Squeeze some thin super glue under the end of the fret

* Apply pressure to the end of the fret with something solid, like the handle of a butter knife, until the super glue is dry


I've personally never done that, but that's the only way I can see to fix that shy of pulling out the fret and increasing it's radius.

Edit: If you go that route, you might consider trying to clean the area and beneath the fret end with acetone. Then oil your fretboard after you're done.

Kevin Saale 10-11-2012 02:31 AM

^That would work, its basically what dan erlewine suggests doing in his guitar player repair guide. He uses a wooden down with a groove in it to fit around the fret to push down though. I wouldn't use anything metal personally. I'd be worried about scratching the frets or something else.

W4RP1G 10-11-2012 02:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Saale
^That would work, its basically what dan erlewine suggests doing in his guitar player repair guide. He uses a wooden down with a groove in it to fit around the fret to push down though. I wouldn't use anything metal personally. I'd be worried about scratching the frets or something else.

Yeah, using wood would probably be better.

I'm going to have to look up Dan erlewine and see what he's all about.

Kevin Saale 10-11-2012 03:05 AM

Guitar player repair guide is awesome, I need to dig mine up.

LeviMan_2001 10-11-2012 03:27 AM

Well hold on now folks, if the fret isn't causing a buzz, then I would imagine if you were to push it down then it would start to fret out! So I wouldn't pass judgement unless I saw the guitar in person.

W4RP1G 10-11-2012 03:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeviMan_2001
Well hold on now folks, if the fret isn't causing a buzz, then I would imagine if you were to push it down then it would start to fret out! So I wouldn't pass judgement unless I saw the guitar in person.

I'm willing to bet that it does buzz a little. But I guess you could be right, it may have been leveled with it sticking up like that. If that it the case, then fixing it might require a fret leveling, in which case he might want to consider biting the bullet and taking it to a qualified luthier to have this issue resolved.

Basically, TS, if those frets buzz more than usual, then the method I described should be fine. if they do not buzz then you can still use that method, but don't be surprised if you get fret buzz afterward.

Personally, I see nothing to lose from trying to fix it yourself(as long as you are careful and patient in your execution). Worst case scenario, you have to pay for a fret leveling.

Black'n'Tan 10-11-2012 07:18 AM

I concur with all of the above. If you really like the guitar and if it needs fret leveling, consider getting it Plec'd after the fret is fixed. But be careful choosing a shop, a bad tech with a Plec machine can wreak havoc.

losing battle 10-11-2012 09:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeviMan_2001
Well hold on now folks, if the fret isn't causing a buzz, then I would imagine if you were to push it down then it would start to fret out! So I wouldn't pass judgement unless I saw the guitar in person.


Believe it or not the guitar has no fret buzz anywhere.


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