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08L1V10N 10-28-2012 06:09 PM

How can you hear it's 9/8?
 
This piece is known to be in 9/8... But I can't distinguish it from 6/8, i mean, i would count 1-2-3 1-2-3 or count it in 2 etc.
Can anyone help perhaps?

505088K 10-28-2012 06:36 PM

it's like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

Think 3/4 with triplets on each beat.

AeolianWolf 10-28-2012 06:46 PM

it sounds more like triple meter than duple meter, that's how you'll know.

whywefight 10-28-2012 07:08 PM

That's actually a good point, it seems like 6/8 to me.

Skullivan 10-28-2012 07:21 PM

It sounds like you could interpret it in 6/8 at first, but every few measures the strongest beat (1, in the 1 2 3 4 5 6) isn't in the right place. That being said, I still wouldn't be able to tell it's 9/8. Just not 6/8.

amonamarthmetal 10-28-2012 08:30 PM

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its pretty easy to hear. heres an example by veil of maya from the song resistance. i dont own it :)

ibanez1511 10-28-2012 08:55 PM

all through this may not be 'textbook .' correct. I find it depends on the speed.
if the tempo is slow the counting each quaver works well.
if the tempo is quick the you would find it wise to count 3.
1 {and ah ,}
2 {and ah ,}
3 {and ah.}

you can emphasise beat 1 .

AeolianWolf 10-28-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ibanez1511
all through this may not be 'textbook .' correct. I find it depends on the speed.
if the tempo is slow the counting each quaver works well.
if the tempo is quick the you would find it wise to count 3.
1 {and ah ,}
2 {and ah ,}
3 {and ah.}

you can emphasise beat 1 .


you're right, but here's the thing - it has nothing to do with speed. it's all about how it's written.

if you think this is in 6/8, you're not listening closely -- or you're listening with the intent to cram it into 6/8; if you're looking for something, you'll find it, whether it's there or not.

Sleepy__Head 10-29-2012 05:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 08L1V10N
This piece is known to be in 9/8... But I can't distinguish it from 6/8, i mean, i would count 1-2-3 1-2-3 or count it in 2 etc.
Can anyone help perhaps?


What everyone else said.

Also - it's partly to do with where the phrases start and finish. If you didn't know if the piece was in 6/8, 9/8 or 12/8 listen to how the phrases start and finish - if the phrase sounds like it's landing in the wrong place when you're in 6/8 or 12/8, try counting in 9/8 and see if things start to fall into place.

For example: In the Bach piece you referred to, listen for the re-ocurrence of the first phrase. Count that in 6/8 and the first phrase recurs in bar 6, which would make the first section 5 bars long, which is a bit odd. Count in 9/8 and the first phrase recurs in bar 4, which would make the first section 3 bars long and that forms a nice symmetry with the time signature (3 principle beats per bar, 3 subdivisions of that beat per bar, 3 bars).

Some further examples of 9/8 pieces:

Slip jigs;
Morning Has Broken (Stick It Together*);
There are a few more suggestions here.

* A school-boy jocularity.

:-D 10-29-2012 05:18 AM

buttocks

Sleepy__Head 10-29-2012 05:47 AM

And what to what specific item might your derriere-related comment be directed?


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