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davidrf 11-11-2012 12:09 PM

Fender Stratocaster Billy Corgan Signature - any opinions?
 
Hello,
I recently bought an American Standard Strat, and having already a LTD EC-1000, now I find that my "old" American Special - that is kinda "in beetween" these two guitars - is a bit useless.

So I'm thinking about selling the Am Special and buying something "different". Something versatile and at the same time more brutal than the EC-1000 (that with his passive Seymour Duncan pickups is perfect for classic rock).

I think the Billy Corgan signature Strat would be great: fierce DiMarzio pups, hardtail, heavier body than a normal Strat.

Do you own one of these or have at least tried one? Any opinions? I read it's surprisingly versatile even for clean (warm) tones. It's a Strat only in the shape an in the name, but it seems very cool.

Any opinions? Thanks!

-Ed- 11-11-2012 12:39 PM

Does it have dimarzio pups? Thought it had SD hot rails - maybe that's an old version :shrug:

I've an American standard, I had hot rails in neck and bridge and it was rocktastic. I've since swapped the neck hot rails for a jb jr and prefer that combo.

Not much help op but I like mine

davidrf 11-11-2012 12:59 PM

Yes it has DiMarzio BC-1 (signature) on the bridge, Chopper on the middle, BC-2 (signature) on the neck. Never had SD and never will :)

I have the JB Jr. on the bridge in my American Special, it's good but anywhere near the badness of the BC-1 :)

Jyrgen 11-11-2012 01:22 PM

I have owned one as my main guitar for four months now :cool: Whaddya wanna know? Yeah the cleans are great. Overall the guitar is probably lighter than a Strat because the weight of the tremolo system does not exist with this one. And the Dimarzios are quite ballsy. I actually wrote a review of the guitar on this site too you may wanna check it out.

davidrf 11-11-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyrgen
I have owned one as my main guitar for four months now :cool: Whaddya wanna know? Yeah the cleans are great. Overall the guitar is probably lighter than a Strat because the weight of the tremolo system does not exist with this one. And the Dimarzios are quite ballsy. I actually wrote a review of the guitar on this site too you may wanna check it out.


Thanks a lot, three questions came to mind:

1: is the body in 2 or 3 pieces?

2: in the review you say the pickups are more suited for Pumpkins 2007->now than the "vintage", classic pumpkin sound. If I wanted to achieve a tone similar to the classic one, would it be so difficult?

3: what about "classic" rock humbucker tones, like AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, Nirvana and all the usual humbucker stuff? Or even Zeppelin (just curiosity, for most of this stuff I have the EC-1000). Does it manage well or is it just a fierce and brutal SOB? :D

for now, that's all! thanks

Elderer 11-11-2012 03:34 PM

Middle pick-up is full of Zeppelin, AC/DC.
The wiring isnt standart so it has a lot of tonal options. Tone knobs are actually wired to BC pick-ups.
BC-1 SCREAMS!

JAHellraiser 11-11-2012 03:52 PM

I don't see how that strat would be much different from the 2 you have...maybe see if you can find something that's not a strat that you like? :haha:

davidrf 11-11-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JAHellraiser
I don't see how that strat would be much different from the 2 you have...maybe see if you can find something that's not a strat that you like? :haha:


So you think it isn't different from an American Standard with 3 Fender single coils and a floating bridge? :)

Mephaphil 11-11-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by davidrf
So you think it isn't different from an American Standard with 3 Fender single coils and a floating bridge? :)


I have a MIA, it had stock pickups. Swapped them out for the Corgan setup and it sounds completely different. Just the sustain is a huge difference. I have a lil 59 in the bridge though, more bluesy tones and still high output. Really nice :D

They are humbuckers too.

I believe be used the Air Norton in the neck, Chopper in the middle and Tone Zone for the bridge pre 2007. He just asked for a raised output and Dimarzio rebranded them.

I'm not 100% sure on that.

What I am sure is that it sounded completely different then to what it sounds now. What I can't comment on is the neck and the bridge.

davidrf 11-11-2012 07:55 PM

Mephaphil, that's exactly what I think... and what I know based on experience and opinions on the forums. The Billy Corgan only has the name and the shape in common with a Strat... it's a completely different beast than a "usual" Stratocaster :)

Mephaphil 11-11-2012 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by davidrf
Mephaphil, that's exactly what I think... and what I know based on experience and opinions on the forums. The Billy Corgan only has the name and the shape in common with a Strat... it's a completely different beast than a "usual" Stratocaster :)


Would you consider swapping the pickups out and using the amp and effects he likes?

I use an old Fender Tube amp, and the EHX little big muff and with my modded Strat It sounds quite similar on some of the higher gain stuff like Cherub Rock. It takes some messing around to dial it in but I'm happy enough with it.

Before you spend all that money on the signature Strat maybe a straight swap of the pickups will be a better deal, then you can invest in effects and amps etc.

What amp do you have? What do you want to play on the Strat? How does your Strat feel to play?

Mephaphil 11-11-2012 08:22 PM

Sorry, I see your gear now.

I personally wouldn't get another Strat. I don't know if the bridge is enough. If I had your strats I'd most likely just sell the special and get the loaded pick guard and just swap it out. Probably annoying to do but cheaper.

If you have the cash then its no biggie, but that's my advice. I guess it's like having 2 guitars for different styles. Which is great! :D

gregs1020 11-11-2012 08:23 PM

Just mod your american special again or your standard.

davidrf 11-11-2012 08:31 PM

No no, the American Standard is the most recent guitar I got, and it's a freakin jewel and I plan to keep it stock to have the classic "Strat sound", that I like a lot! The only guitar in discussion here is the American Special.

I thought about changing the Am Special pickups, but it would't bring that significant money saving compared to selling it and getting a new Corgan...

And there are other things to consider: by getting the Corgan I'd have a brand new guitar instead of a 3 years old one, and I'd get the tweed hardcase too, which alone is worth quite a bit of money. :)

Mephaphil 11-11-2012 08:42 PM

A 3 year old guitar should be worn in though. Anyway, the Corgan Strat will sound completely different to your Strats.

If you don't really play the special just do what you gotta. I love the higher gain of my modded Strat. I do actually prefer the lil 59' to the BC in the bridge but the rhythm positions are awesome.

I still have the original alnico pickups so if I ever wanna I can just swap them out. :)

Kytokinesis 11-11-2012 08:59 PM

I've been wanting the Billy Corgan sig for a while. It's one of the few strats in production nowadays with the hard-tail bridge, and has bitchin' pickups. Overall though, I think it would be similar in build to your special, b/c they both have jumbo frets and a large-style headstock. Plus the corgan doesn't really offer any novelties like locking tuners or strap locks, etc. It would probably be more cost efficient to put the Billy Corgan pup set on your special.

Before Corgan got the sig strat, like if you want a Siamese Dream sound, he used a '57 reissue strat with Lace Sensor red/blue/silver pup setup. On Zeitgeist though, he used a Schecter Blackjack baritone with Tony Lommi humbuckers.

davidrf 11-11-2012 09:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kytokinesis
I've been wanting the Billy Corgan sig for a while. It's one of the few strats in production nowadays with the hard-tail bridge, and has bitchin' pickups.


Sadly, it's no longer in production! It was discontinued in late 2011 or early 2012, I don't remember. The main Fender hub/istributor here in Italy only has TWO black Billy Corgans left. In fact, I have to decide pretty quickly :)

Kytokinesis 11-11-2012 09:06 PM

Damn... Well, you'd probably better go get it then. :haha:

Mephaphil 11-11-2012 09:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kytokinesis
Before Corgan got the sig strat, like if you want a Siamese Dream sound, he used a '57 reissue strat with Lace Sensor red/blue/silver pup setup. On Zeitgeist though, he used a Schecter Blackjack baritone with Tony Lommi humbuckers.


Yes that's right. The bat strat!

He does use his new setup at shows to play Siamese Dream stuff though.

If you really want it and they are in limited supply you'd best make your mind up quickly!

You'll love it I'm sure.

Elderer 11-12-2012 04:51 AM

Get it.Dont hesitate.


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