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JoeFlips 11-18-2012 08:52 PM

What effect is this?
 


What effects do they have going on on the guitar in this song?

311ZOSOVHJH 11-19-2012 11:11 AM

Free bump day.


Do you mean that 'wah wah' sound?

Wah pedal :shrug:

tubetime86 11-19-2012 11:15 AM

I don't think that is actually a guitar... But ya it just sounds like wah wah to me. I'd probably want an octave too so I could play it a bit lower on the neck... But again I don't think it's guitar to begin with so I doubt they're using an octave. Definitely some type of wah or envelope filter though.

JoeFlips 11-19-2012 04:06 PM

Obviously I know the wah, but I mean, If I plug my guitar into my wah and amp there's something missing. Something I can't describe. Maybe it's just the synth or whatever is following the same lead. I guess maybe an octave could get close to that.

tubetime86 11-19-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeFlips
Obviously I know the wah, but I mean, If I plug my guitar into my wah and amp there's something missing. Something I can't describe. Maybe it's just the synth or whatever is following the same lead. I guess maybe an octave could get close to that.

What makes you think that is even a guitar to begin with?

JoeFlips 11-19-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tubetime86
What makes you think that is even a guitar to begin with?

:shrug: Just sounds like it to me. I suppose it could be a keyboard, but you can get close enough with a guitar to sound like it, so I figured that in the massive world of oddball effects there would be an effect that could get a similar sound.

tubetime86 11-19-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeFlips
:shrug: Just sounds like it to me. I suppose it could be a keyboard, but you can get close enough with a guitar to sound like it, so I figured that in the massive world of oddball effects there would be an effect that could get a similar sound.

It is almost certainly done with a synth... Though it could be a synth emulating a guitar... You would do that with an octave at minimum and more likely with an actual synth unit for a guitar... But the burning question is 'why?' You seem to have identified everything yourself already before posting this thread so I don't really get what you're wanting to hear.

JoeFlips 11-19-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tubetime86
It is almost certainly done with a synth... Though it could be a synth emulating a guitar... You would do that with an octave at minimum and more likely with an actual synth unit for a guitar... But the burning question is 'why?' You seem to have identified everything yourself already before posting this thread so I don't really get what you're wanting to hear.

Well it didn't occur to me that it might not be a guitar until you asked. What I want to know is (if it's possible) how I can get my guitar to sound funky like that.

tubetime86 11-19-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeFlips
Well it didn't occur to me that it might not be a guitar until you asked. What I want to know is (if it's possible) how I can get my guitar to sound funky like that.

There are synth units for guitar... Basically what you're asking is 'can I make my guitar sound like something poorly emulating a guitar'... Sure you can, but again why?

If it were me, and on a budget as usual, I'd just use a wah and either an octave or just play it high up on the neck... It's gonna sound different, but better than whatever they are using.

SexyLikeAPig 11-19-2012 04:59 PM

First off, that's one of my favourite ever albums. Good taste you have, hmmmm.

Like others have said, it's likely played on a synth. However it does sound kinda guitar-y. If it is a guitar, I think it's just played high up on the neck with lots of post-production.

Thing is, there's so much production on that album, it can be difficult to discern what instruments are used.

I'd say, just wah and high up on the neck. Plenty of treble and mids. An octave/pitch shifter may help too.

JoeFlips 11-19-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tubetime86
There are synth units for guitar... Basically what you're asking is 'can I make my guitar sound like something poorly emulating a guitar'... Sure you can, but again why?

If it were me, and on a budget as usual, I'd just use a wah and either an octave or just play it high up on the neck... It's gonna sound different, but better than whatever they are using.


Okay. Ill try an octave. Does it matter why? I thought it was a guitar with a wah and something else. I was just curious.

tubetime86 11-19-2012 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeFlips
Okay. Ill try an octave. Does it matter why? I thought it was a guitar with a wah and something else. I was just curious.

Ya I mean if you're asking because you want to cover that song then I'd imagine literally anything you do with your guitar live is going to sound cooler than that flat sounding synth. Not saying the song sucks, but as a guitarist I think that synth sounds like shit. That sounds exactly like what I'd imagine a keyboard would have built-in and labeled 'funky guitar.'

It matters why because what you're trying to do with it matters. Do you want to sound like that on a recording? Live on stage? In your bedroom? Do you want to emulate that sound for that song, or you just like it and want to adapt it to your own playing... Of course the why matters... How can I help you accomplish something if I don't know what it is you're trying to accomplish?

SexyLikeAPig 11-19-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeFlips
Okay. Ill try an octave. Does it matter why? I thought it was a guitar with a wah and something else. I was just curious.


I think if it is a guitar, there's quite a lot of production on there. I think that's the other effect you're looking for. I'm not sure what production exactly, it could just be EQ'ing. But as the other guys said, it does sound like a synth emulating a guitar.

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Originally Posted by tubetime86
Ya I mean if you're asking because you want to cover that song then I'd imagine literally anything you do with your guitar live is going to sound cooler than that flat sounding synth. Not saying the song sucks, but as a guitarist I think that synth sounds like shit. That sounds exactly like what I'd imagine a keyboard would have built-in and labeled 'funky guitar.'


I wouldn't be surprised if it was a cheap keyboard. One of the other songs on there is intentionally based around a cheap drum machine beat.

tubetime86 11-19-2012 05:05 PM

^I'm with you. They have a very 'minimalist' kind of sound, from what little I've heard so I highly doubt they were in the studio for hours nailing that sound. :haha:

SexyLikeAPig 11-19-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tubetime86
^I'm with you. They have a very 'minimalist' kind of sound, from what little I've heard so I highly doubt they were in the studio for hours nailing that sound. :haha:


I wouldn't say it's minimalist as such. They pretty much threw everything but the ******* sink in there, which just so happened to include cheap drum machines, cheap keyboards, various famous musicians and a children's choir. :haha:

I know what you mean though about it sounding a bit flat. I think it works with everything else, but eh, different strokes for different folks and all that jazz.

MaggaraMarine 11-19-2012 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeFlips
Okay. Ill try an octave. Does it matter why? I thought it was a guitar with a wah and something else. I was just curious.

You most likely don't want an octave but a pitch shifter. Octaver pedals have a sound an octave and sometimes two octaves below the "dry" signal. For example Boss OC-3 Octaver, it has two knobs for two different octaves (below the dry signal) and a dry signal knob. But that's not what you want. You want your pedal to make you sound an octave higher and that's what pitch shifter does (Digitech Whammy for example, though Whammy can emulate whammy bar sounds and it also has a "detune" effect that sounds like chorus). You can also make guitar harmonies and octaver kind of sounds with a pitch shifter because you can change the interval between the effected and dry signal. But I wouldn't buy a pedal for the sound on the song you posted. Just use the high frets, it's not that hard. But if you want a pedal, wah is what you need.

tubetime86 11-19-2012 05:17 PM

^Nope. Octaver means it produces an octave of the sound. Just because many of the popular ones do octave down doesn't mean that's what the term means. Pitch shifter means it can do things other than octaves...

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Originally Posted by SexyLikeAPig
I wouldn't say it's minimalist as such. They pretty much threw everything but the ******* sink in there, which just so happened to include cheap drum machines, cheap keyboards, various famous musicians and a children's choir. :haha:

I know what you mean though about it sounding a bit flat. I think it works with everything else, but eh, different strokes for different folks and all that jazz.

I very, very rarely have any respect for electronic music... Don't take offense. :haha:

SexyLikeAPig 11-19-2012 05:24 PM

Nah, it's cool. I'm the same with modern metal. :p:

tubetime86 11-19-2012 05:26 PM

We are in agreement there. :cheers:

:haha:

MaggaraMarine 11-20-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tubetime86
^Nope. Octaver means it produces an octave of the sound. Just because many of the popular ones do octave down doesn't mean that's what the term means. Pitch shifter means it can do things other than octaves...


I very, very rarely have any respect for electronic music... Don't take offense. :haha:

Yeah, but if people tell TS to buy an octaver, he might buy a pedal that only plays octaves down (and maybe will if he didn't clearly read what people were saying). And again, you don't need a pitch shifter to play that. Just play it how you would normally play it, the highest notes are not too high to be played on a guitar without a pitch shifter (the notes are around the 12th fret of high E string).


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