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thetobarmethod 11-24-2012 12:53 PM

JCM900 or DSL50?
 
Hi, im looking into a new amp and i was deciding between the 2, so far im leaning on the JCM900 mkiii. I sing in my band, but play guitar at home/write my own material. I tune below D ALWAYS unless im covering something above C. I play primarily a EVH style of rythme guitar, weird little 3 finger chords and mixing open/fretted chords together style thing. I prefer moderate/high gain levels and play Alternative Metal style stuff(10 Years,Staind, Tool, Seether, System of a Down). So which one would be better overall for this style. If the 900 doesnt have enough gain or doenst "fit", i have a eq pedal and a overdrive pedal to fix that so which one?

Dave_Mc 11-24-2012 01:01 PM

i don't know much about them, but i don't think the 900s were all-tube (apart from the slx, maybe). far as i'm aware the dsl is all-tube, but i've only tried the older one.

what's your budget?

Cathbard 11-24-2012 01:11 PM

The Mk3 isn't as ugly as the Dual Reverb but they are no SL/X.
The Mk3 has that shitty bridge/diode clipping circuit permanently in the circuit (straight after the TMB) and an op-amp driven FX loop and op-amp driven Master volumes. The mk3 is like a half-arsed SL/X.
I'd go in order, SL/X > DSL > Mk3 > Dual Reverb.
Unless you need a clean channel and then it's DSL > Dual Reverb > SL/X > Mk3

If you remove the clipper from a Mk3 you basically have a JCM800 2203/2204 with two master volumes and an FX loop. Pretty good amp if you do that. I'd still prefer an SL/X though, those things rock.

thetobarmethod 11-24-2012 01:13 PM

all 3 models are al tube, but the Dual Reverb version of the 900 usues some solid state clipping.(thats why im looking at the mkiii version its all tube and designed around the jcm800).

My budget right now is at max 800.(Im only looking for a head and i dont really feel like forking a bunch up for a plexi-panel which is what i really really want.)

Cathbard 11-24-2012 01:16 PM

No man, you're wrong. Read what I said. All 900's have SS stuff in the preamp, some more than others.
The Dual Reverb has something like 20 op-amps and 9 diodes. It's a LONG way from just "some solid state clipping"

Dave_Mc 11-24-2012 01:23 PM

what cath said

i can't really think of anything offhand for 800 dollars, but i'm not too well up on USA prices, either.

Robbgnarly 11-24-2012 01:30 PM

The DSL is a great amp the JCM900 SLX is a killer high gain amp.

Cathbard 11-24-2012 01:42 PM

Just to demonstrate the true horror of the Dual Reverb's preamp, behold:

http://www.drtube.com/schematics/ma...52-02-iss11.pdf

Have you ever seen an uglier preamp schematic? Not only is it unnecessarily complex, it's just a poor piece of design containing some of the dumbest things ever to grace an amplifier.

Offworld92 11-24-2012 01:56 PM

Definitely the DSL.

gregs1020 11-24-2012 01:59 PM

Definitely the DSL.

Wisthekiller 11-24-2012 02:47 PM

As the owner of a DSL 50, the DSL 50.

ihartfood 11-24-2012 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Offworld92
Definitely the DSL.

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Originally Posted by gregs1020
Definitely the DSL.

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Originally Posted by ihartfood
Definitely the DSL.

because it's got better cleans primarily. that's important to me.
robbgnarly plays prog metal with his DSL. ask him.

the SL-X kills both IMO

nickdohle 11-24-2012 07:45 PM

I play every band you listed. DSL 50. I have a DSL100. Great amp. Can go from crisp cleans, to crunchy rhythm, to metal. Throw in a transparent overdrive, and it can get pretty damn heavy. I put my gain around 12 o clock, and play on the Ultra Channel without the extra gain boost and its very dynamic. Throw in an overdrive, and you can hit very heavy tones. I personally think the DSL has a little too much gain for my style of playing.

MatrixClaw 11-24-2012 07:58 PM

Really dig the DSL50. With a boost, it's one of the clearest amps I've ever played through. For the price you can pick them up for on the used market, I have no complaints on them whatsoever.

thetobarmethod 11-24-2012 09:27 PM

Thnx for all the replies, im thinking about the DSL now that the underwhelming minority have said its the right choice, ill look into one of them this tuesday when im at Guitar Center.

razordave1 11-24-2012 09:30 PM

The Dsl is great...especially if you slam a ts 808 on the red channel...goes into complete annialation mode!

CodeMonk 11-24-2012 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cathbard
Just to demonstrate the true horror of the Dual Reverb's preamp, behold:

http://www.drtube.com/schematics/ma...52-02-iss11.pdf

Have you ever seen an uglier preamp schematic? Not only is it unnecessarily complex, it's just a poor piece of design containing some of the dumbest things ever to grace an amplifier.


I just threw up a little.
Looks almost as bad as the MG preamp section

gregs1020 11-25-2012 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thetobarmethod
Thnx for all the replies, im thinking about the DSL now that the underwhelming minority have said its the right choice, ill look into one of them this tuesday when im at Guitar Center.

we aren't talking about the new DSL, we're talking about the JCM2000 DSL.

just to be clear.

nickdohle 11-25-2012 02:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by gregs1020
we aren't talking about the new DSL, we're talking about the JCM2000 DSL.

just to be clear.



Yea, the old JCM's were the shit. You can pick one up easy for 500 bucks. And there pretty solid amps. Spring reverb, two channels, bass boost switch, mid cut switch, and each channel has two modes.

R45VT 11-25-2012 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CodeMonk
I just threw up a little.
Looks almost as bad as the MG preamp section



:puke:

You can cut a bunch of that stuff out right after C5....


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