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martinman777 11-24-2012 07:16 PM

a new chord
 
hey i discovered a new chord(at least its new to me) but cant really find or figure out what the heck to call it. please help


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its g c e g b e
and is being used in the chord progression Em (this chord) G D
of course i might not have my facts straight
Thanks

edit: my bad it was a e i just had the fret wrong i was tired and half thinking when i wrote this

rockingamer2 11-24-2012 08:06 PM

The notes are actually G, C, D#, G, B, E. Simplified they are G, B, C, D#, E.

It can't can't be pinpointed without context (as in what progression it's a part of), but my best guess is a Cmajor7 with and augmented 9th (I'm not too sure on the proper name, but those are the right notes). You're playing it with the fifth in the bass.

B&J 11-24-2012 08:10 PM

Whatabout a G#5 sus4? Taking the G B as the 1 and 3, D# as the sharp 5 and the c as suss

B&J 11-24-2012 08:24 PM

Ps forget about making new chords :P

Artemis Entreri 11-24-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rockingamer2
The notes are actually G, C, D#, G, B, E. Simplified they are G, B, C, D#, E.

It can't can't be pinpointed without context (as in what progression it's a part of), but my best guess is a Cmajor7 with and augmented 9th (I'm not too sure on the proper name, but those are the right notes). You're playing it with the fifth in the bass.



I lean toward Cmaj7 with an augmented 9th as well. The G in the bass wouldn't be uncommon.

Except for the fact that the D# (Eb) is lower than the E. It gives stability to a C minor sound.

KG6_Steven 11-24-2012 08:52 PM

How about G 6th Sus4 #5th Add b11th, or G Aug Add 4th Add 13th. Or as already suggested, a CMaj7#9/G. Not sure I'd call it an augmented 9th, though. Augmented typically refers to the dominant, from my experience.

AeolianWolf 11-24-2012 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KG6_Steven
How about G 6th Sus4 #5th Add b11th, or G Aug Add 4th Add 13th.


totally practical.

Artemis Entreri 11-24-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KG6_Steven
How about G 6th Sus4 #5th Add b11th, or G Aug Add 4th Add 13th. Or as already suggested, a CMaj7#9/G. Not sure I'd call it an augmented 9th, though. Augmented typically refers to the dominant, from my experience.



My only problem with the C major 7 is it feels very minor to me. Not at all like a maj 7th. You have 5th, root, m3 as the lowest three notes. A C minor chord. The other ones....don't even mean anything.

This is where context becomes very important.

As for the augmented, I was merely saying that because the term "sharp" drives me up a wall. It's raised but not necessarily sharp. Augmented simply meant greater.



EDIT:

I just went to my piano. C minor major 7th with the #9 added is what it sounds like to me.

mdc 11-24-2012 09:17 PM

A polychord.

Em
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Cm

jazz_rock_feel 11-24-2012 09:25 PM

^Beat me to it.

Artemis Entreri 11-24-2012 09:26 PM

I don't know man... doesn't sound like a poly chord on the piano. Looks great on paper though.

mattrusso 11-24-2012 09:27 PM

First of all, if your tab is right, that is spelled G C Eb G B E from the bottom up, not G B E G B E (that would just be E-/G).

I don't know where you got "based off an F major scale" from, but that is pretty far from being a diatonic chord in F.

You could make a case for it being some kind of weird Cmaj7(#9)/G voicing, which technically is a chord that does exist, but I doubt that's how you're hearing it. It could also be a polychord (E-/C-) but again, you're probably not hearing it like that.

The main point of all this is that a chord's name is determined by what it does musically. For example, you can have a chord spelled D Ab C F from the bottom up. This can be D-7b5 in some contexts and Bb9/D in other contexts.

So, if you want to use this chord in a musical context, figure out how you want to use it. That will determine what chord it actually is.

Also, be careful of the screaming b9 in the top voice!

jazz_rock_feel 11-24-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis Entreri
I don't know man... doesn't sound like a poly chord on the piano. Looks great on paper though.

What does a polychord sound like?

Artemis Entreri 11-24-2012 09:35 PM

Well, a poly chord. And that doesn't sound like one to me. But it doesn't to me, it very well could to you. Given the correct context it could to me as well. After everything I've studied, it feels like a C minor major 7th with the E fulfilling any number of operations.

How are you using this chord, TS? Or are you just stacking your fingers up and making cool sounds?

mdc 11-24-2012 09:43 PM

Cmaj7/G

The D# is decoration, and would typically resolve upwards by a half step.

jazz_rock_feel 11-24-2012 09:47 PM

TS, the lesson to learn from this thread: anything can be anything depending on context.

B&J 11-24-2012 09:49 PM

It could very well also be the " who gives a **** if it sounds good in your progression its cool " chord :D

mdc 11-24-2012 09:50 PM

To quote an article I read on the great Jazz educator Howard Roberts...

Quote:
"Through thematic development, anything will work over anything. Through voice leading, any chord will go to any chord."

martinman777 11-24-2012 10:17 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockingamer2
The notes are actually G, C, D#, G, B, E. Simplified they are G, B, C, D#, E.

It can't can't be pinpointed without context (as in what progression it's a part of), but my best guess is a Cmajor7 with and augmented 9th (I'm not too sure on the proper name, but those are the right notes). You're playing it with the fifth in the bass.


yeah my bad it is d# instead of e i was tired

martinman777 11-24-2012 10:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis Entreri
Well, a poly chord. And that doesn't sound like one to me. But it doesn't to me, it very well could to you. Given the correct context it could to me as well. After everything I've studied, it feels like a C minor major 7th with the E fulfilling any number of operations.

How are you using this chord, TS? Or are you just stacking your fingers up and making cool sounds?


im struming a E before this chord which compliments it quite nicely


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