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Morphogenesis26 11-30-2012 05:02 PM

Help
 
Could someone explain how to analyse music properly? I try to understand how the doodads and whatchagizmos of different songs and pieces work, but I just don't know where to start with it.

Thanks in advance. :)

z4twenny 11-30-2012 06:01 PM

Start by learning the major scale and how to form chords.

Morphogenesis26 11-30-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by z4twenny
Start by learning the major scale and how to form chords.


I understand the major scale and how to form chords, as well as understanding the distance and relationship between intervals, specific chord progressions and their uses, and basic song structure.

What I'm asking is how to understand the idea being conveyed by a piece of music or a song by using theory. I try to put the music in the context of the scale, but I can't get anywhere with it. I'm wondering if I have to think of it less as revolving around the scale and more about the tonal center, am I correct?

I'd really like a good analytical/compositional source material.

z4twenny 11-30-2012 06:32 PM

I guess I'm not understanding what you're looking for. Theory is a descriptive tool, a scale is just a collection of notes. My second guess would be "learn harmony"

Nietsche 11-30-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Morphogenesis26
What I'm asking is how to understand the idea being conveyed by a piece of music or a song by using theory.


Traditional music theory deals with purely musical materials on a technical level, if you want to talk about ideas being conveyed by music you want a book on aesthetic philosophy, not music theory in the strict sense.

Morphogenesis26 11-30-2012 06:58 PM

I guess what I mean is that I see people talk about analyzing music and coming up with stuff about "thematic development" and having a "unified" sound, but I don't quite understand how they come figure that stuff out. Are they talking on a theory level or on something else?

Nietsche 11-30-2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Morphogenesis26
I guess what I mean is that I see people talk about analyzing music and coming up with stuff about "thematic development" and having a "unified" sound, but I don't quite understand how they come figure that stuff out.


I don't get what's complicated about thematic development, the basic concept is you have a theme and develop it. You can see that a piece has thematic development because it has a theme which gets restated in a variety of different ways. Examples include the development section of every classical Sonata ever.

If you're talking about ANUSites waxing lyrical about how black metal is the new classical music they figure it out by taking their heads, bending over backwards and slowly inserting them into their own anuses.

Morphogenesis26 11-30-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nietsche
I don't get what's complicated about thematic development, the basic concept is you have a theme and develop it. You can see that a piece has thematic development because it has a theme which gets restated in a variety of different ways. Examples include the development section of every classical Sonata ever.

If you're talking about ANUSites waxing lyrical about how black metal is the new classical music they figure it out by taking their heads, bending over backwards and slowly inserting them into their own anuses.


The part about developing it is a problem I'm having. How do you develop a theme, like, give me a good example. :3

And I already knew they were talking out their asses because they never give a reason for any of it.

food1010 11-30-2012 09:43 PM

Code:
Theme: A B C# Variation: A G# A B A B C# D C#
I call it Theme and Variation in A major. Brilliant.

rockingamer2 11-30-2012 10:10 PM

Is this type of thing what you're looking for TS?

http://www.musictheory.net/lessons/52

Morphogenesis26 11-30-2012 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rockingamer2
Is this type of thing what you're looking for TS?

http://www.musictheory.net/lessons/52


I've been to that site before and learned quite a bit of stuff from it, but gave up early on for no good reason.

That's just about perfect, thanks. :)


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