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Krieger91 12-01-2012 11:02 AM

Could someone help me with this structure? A name and also, is it normal?
 
Ok, so we've written this song, though I have no recording, and I'm a bit confused about the structure..it's what came naturally, but it seems abnormal.

I want to know if it's anything normal, and if it has a name.

It's like this:

Intro

Intro (whole band)

Little bridge

Verse 1

Clean bridge

Verse 2

Same bridge as before but distorted

Chorus

Interlude 1

Interlude 2

Chorus

Outro



Basically to me it seems a bit weird.

Mostly 'cause the intro doesn't repeat even once, the two verses are attached and there's no verse after the chorus..I don't know.

Someone help?

EmilGD 12-01-2012 11:28 AM

I completely fail to see this as a problem.
What does it matter if the structure isn't "normal"?
And I don't see why you would want a name on it.
As long as it comes natural, which you said it did, it's completely fine.
Stop worrying and go have fun playing your song!

Myshadow46_2 12-01-2012 11:41 AM

Interlude 2 needs more flanger. Other than that you're all good.

Seriously though, if it sounds good to you it's fine.

Hydra150 12-01-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myshadow46_2
Interlude 2 needs more flanger. Other than that you're all good.

This.

jazz_rock_feel 12-01-2012 12:00 PM

Yeah seriously, if you add flanger to interlude 2 it's basically a sonata form.

TheNameOfNoone 12-01-2012 12:25 PM

-prog.

Junior#1 12-01-2012 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNameOfNoone
-prog.

This.

Dream Theater has been writing stuff like this for years and it's worked out pretty well for them.

Krieger91 12-01-2012 12:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jazz_rock_feel
Yeah seriously, if you add flanger to interlude 2 it's basically a sonata form.

Does an effect really make a difference to a structure?


Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNameOfNoone
-prog.

No way, for sure?

I always considered prog to be over 11 minute long songs with long intrumental breaks and stuff..


Anyway, the main reason I'm asking is that..yeah it doesn't sound bad, it allc ame naturally, and it does flow, but it flows in a kind of..chaotic way, as if no thought whatsoever was given to the song :haha:

But anyway, thanks guys.

Hydra150 12-01-2012 12:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krieger91
Does an effect really make a difference to a structure?

Yes.
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jazz_rock_feel 12-01-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krieger91
Does an effect really make a difference to a structure?

Nope, I was totally kidding. It doesn't matter what you call it, if the form works, the form works.

macashmack 12-01-2012 01:21 PM

I like this form. It's a hell of a lot more interesting than verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge/solo-chrous (not that there's anything wrong with that, just that its used a lot).

crazysam23_Atax 12-01-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNameOfNoone
-prog.

Mhmmm!


TS, "abnormal" song structures is just another way of saying, "This song is better than the average tune".

Hydra150 12-01-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazysam23_Atax
TS, "abnormal" song structures is just another way of saying, "This song is better than the average tune".

wat

Xiaoxi 12-01-2012 01:54 PM

intro
bridge
material A
bridge
material A
bridge
material B
bridge 2
bridge 3
material B
coda

You can simplify it down to that. There's not really a chorus since there's no context for it. It doesn't really have or need a name. I guess if you consider that there is 2 core material, A and B, it's some kind of complex binary like most conventional songs, just without the conventional order.

food1010 12-01-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krieger91
it's what came naturally
That's what matters. If it flows, it's good.

MaggaraMarine 12-01-2012 03:36 PM

Why should you use a common structure in your song? I mean, it's just good that not every song sounds the same. There are no rules with music. If it sounds good, it's good. But if it doesn't, changing the structure is easy. I don't see any problems with it. Just change the structure to verse chorus stuff if you want. But really don't. Just leave it as it is, there are more than enough songs with the verse-chorus-verse-chorus structure.

TheNameOfNoone 12-02-2012 08:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krieger91
No way, for sure?

I always considered prog to be over 11 minute long songs with long intrumental breaks and stuff..


Because the "prog rock" today is clished to be just "11 minute long songs with long instrumental breaks and stuff", the true progressive rock would break that pattern.

Progress - creating something new.

AeolianWolf 12-02-2012 07:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krieger91
Ok, so we've written this song, though I have no recording, and I'm a bit confused about the structure..it's what came naturally, but it seems abnormal.

I want to know if it's anything normal, and if it has a name.

It's like this:

Intro

Intro (whole band)

Little bridge

Verse 1

Clean bridge

Verse 2

Same bridge as before but distorted

Chorus

Interlude 1

Interlude 2

Chorus

Outro



Basically to me it seems a bit weird.

Mostly 'cause the intro doesn't repeat even once, the two verses are attached and there's no verse after the chorus..I don't know.

Someone help?


yes. it's very normal. i would simplify it even further than xiaoxi did, so here's your structure:

intro

verse 1

verse 2

chorus

bridge

chorus

outro

it's just a very small modification on the song structure that is the herpes of modern music. everything you call "bridges" are best analyzed as transitional passages, and likely don't serve much function in the form.

Quote:
Originally Posted by macashmack
I like this form. It's a hell of a lot more interesting than verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge/solo-chrous (not that there's anything wrong with that, just that its used a lot).


:haha:

Hail 12-02-2012 11:56 PM

if you can put a name on a structure, it's probably gonna come out as shitty and/or unoriginal

you can make a 10 minute song off one motif, and a 2 minute song off a hundred parts. as long as it sounds natural, how you'd break down a form is secondary to its cohesion unless you're just trying to plug riffs together (which is probably the case)


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