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Erra93 12-06-2012 03:34 AM

Chaotic, dissonant, playful, happy metalcore
 
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This one is very different from what I usually write (at least the first half!)
I basically just tried to write a sad song, but as usual, that's not really how it turned out. Still liked it though!

C4Cing may or may not be slow as usual, depends on if I'm working or not!

Edit: Made some changes to the drums and rhythm guitars at the end (bar 75-104) to spice things up a little, good or bad?

Edit 2: removed one snare and cymbal hit in bar 76!

frankibo 12-06-2012 06:01 AM

I understand what you're going for in the intro with the 6 but it didn't work for me.
The bass break was hilarious though and the riff that followed was good, had a nice groove to it.
The big happy section with the solo was lovely, really uplifting, great lead too.
Ah that was the end, seemed a bit short to me.
Nowadays I always try and avoid going for the obvious major and minor chords in a key when I write (like you did at the end), but it sounds so damn good it's hard to avoid doing.

amonamarthmetal 12-06-2012 02:01 PM

i agree with frankibo on the 6. it didnt work on the intro. it worked at bar 27 though.

frankibo 12-06-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by amonamarthmetal
i agree with frankibo on the 6. it didnt work on the intro. it worked at bar 27 though.


Agreed.

Erra93 12-07-2012 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by frankibo
I understand what you're going for in the intro with the 6 but it didn't work for me.
The bass break was hilarious though and the riff that followed was good, had a nice groove to it.
The big happy section with the solo was lovely, really uplifting, great lead too.
Ah that was the end, seemed a bit short to me.
Nowadays I always try and avoid going for the obvious major and minor chords in a key when I write (like you did at the end), but it sounds so damn good it's hard to avoid doing.


Ah, I like it how it is but I'm all for improving, which note would you suggest? :)
Thanks, I'm super proud because I came up with that riff on my actual guitar instead of guitar pro because it happens so rarely, haha
Thanks for that as well, I was really happy with how the lead turned out, and how well the chords worked over that playful riff :) I was afraid it would be too long if it didn't stop there :eek:

Also, I'm a little confused, do you mean I did use the obvious major/minor chords or that I didn't? :p: and yeah, I do try to come up with chords I haven't used before, but if something works, I just let it work and try not to worry about it :(

Huge thanks for the crit :)


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Originally Posted by amonamarthmetal
i agree with frankibo on the 6. it didnt work on the intro. it worked at bar 27 though.


I'm confused, could either of you explain why the 6 doesn't work for you? For me it sounds kind of warm and fuzzy when I play it on my guitar.. :eek:

frankibo 12-07-2012 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Erra93
I'm confused, could either of you explain why the 6 doesn't work for you? For me it sounds kind of warm and fuzzy when I play it on my guitar.. :eek:


Haha then your guitar is out of tune, a half step below the octave sounds kind of warm (as in a 7 on the low C and a 6 on the C an octave above) but a half step above the octave (what you did, a 6 on the low C and a 6 on the C an octave above) sounds really dissonant.

You could change it to either a 7 or 0 or the G string, both work. Up to you really, if you like the 6 a lot then keep it.


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Originally Posted by Erra93
Also, I'm a little confused, do you mean I did use the obvious major/minor chords or that I didn't? :p: and yeah, I do try to come up with chords I haven't used before, but if something works, I just let it work and try not to worry about it :(


Well at the end there you've used 4th fret minor, 2nd fret major and 7th fret major, it's very generic and happy sounding. But it works so well so don't change it, I'm just saying it's hard to avoid doing that sort of thing.
The triplet double bass drum during the end is a bit unnecessary, would be better to come up with a more interesting drum part.

Erra93 12-07-2012 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by frankibo
Haha then your guitar is out of tune, a half step below the octave sounds kind of warm (as in a 7 on the low C and a 6 on the C an octave above) but a half step above the octave (what you did, a 6 on the low C and a 6 on the C an octave above) sounds really dissonant.

You could change it to either a 7 or 0 or the G string, both work. Up to you really, if you like the 6 a lot then keep it.




Well at the end there you've used 4th fret minor, 2nd fret major and 7th fret major, it's very generic and happy sounding. But it works so well so don't change it, I'm just saying it's hard to avoid doing that sort of thing.
The triplet double bass drum during the end is a bit unnecessary, would be better to come up with a more interesting drum part.


That's true, warm might have been the wrong adjective haha
However, I was going for a depressive sound and it sounds more depressive with the 6, so I think I'll stick with it, did sound good with a 7 instead though :)
Actually, I think I'll have it be 6 the first time and 7 on the repeat, worked pretty well!

Aah, well now I know what those are so thank you for that! And definitely, I go there in most my songs sadly!
Oh the drums, yeah.. I just love how happy triplet double bass drum sounds, but I could definitely have made them more interesting, I'll see if I can't come up with something better :)

Thanks again!

Erra93 12-20-2012 08:13 AM

Changed the drums in the outro, better or worse? Not quite as stale as before, I'd like to think!

Edit: removed one snare and cymbal hit in bar 76!

maximumrocker 12-26-2012 09:44 PM

For the Intro I like having the 6 fret played on bar 5, then resolve to 7 in bar 6.

Also, I think that Nylon stringed guitar for that beginning would sound awesome!

Other than that, your piece is rocking dude!!!

Erra93 12-30-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by maximumrocker
For the Intro I like having the 6 fret played on bar 5, then resolve to 7 in bar 6.

Also, I think that Nylon stringed guitar for that beginning would sound awesome!

Other than that, your piece is rocking dude!!!


Never thought of that, sounds pretty cool that way! :) might just change it!

I think (at least in guitar pro) steel acoustic would sound better, but I can't record acoustic guitar, so I may just have it as a clean guitar, because that sounded pretty cool as well!

Thanks for the super kind words, mate! :)


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