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durant11 12-10-2012 01:26 AM

strat and amp combo
 
Hey all! long time lurker...first post!

I was interested in purchasing a strat (single coil) type guitar and a tube amp. My budget for both is around $600-700.

I really like this tone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjg4aKBtD0U

and ideally I would purchase a Fender American Standard with the Egnater Tweaker to get that sound...but it's a little out of the budget.

I've heard that I should put more towards the amp than the guitar so I was wondering what strat/tube amp combo I could purchase that would get that type of sound. I'm willing to go used but prefer new. This is what I was thinking about so far:

guitar
used Fender American Standard or used MIM
Squire Classic Vibe Strat 50's/60's (what's the difference?)
Yamaha Pacifica 112j (heard some good reviews)

amp
need a lot of help with this one.. I will mostly be playing at bedroom levels so I don't need anything for playing live/gigs at the moment. I think I would prefer something 15 watts (tube) or under...or an amp that has an attenuator?

Egnater Tweaker15
Vox AC4TV
some type of Fender amp

Also, what artists/bands play that style of music? I really want to be able to play the way he plays (after a couple of years of practice :haha: )

Thanks for any advice you can give!

mattrusso 12-10-2012 02:09 AM

That Egnater is a really good amp, but in my opinion, it'll take up too much of your budget. I'd probably get the Vox AC4, but just know that if you want to play with any remotely heavy distortion you probably want a pedal with that amp. You could also go for a Fender Super Champ X2 or a used Super/Vibro Champ XD. Those amps will give you much more versatility and about equal sound quality.

The lowest you'll find a good used MIA Strat for is about $500, and at that price there'll likely be something cosmetically wrong with it. If you found one that cheap, though, it would be a good choice.

The other option is to find a nice used MIM Strat (you can get one for around $250-300). Personally, I don't really like the pickups on MIM Strats. To approximate the tone from your video, I'd swap them out for something more vintagey. I put Fender Custom Shop '69s in mine and it sounds pretty similar to that guitar. The whole process (buying the pickups, getting them installed, and getting the guitar set up) cost me about $200. Other nice Strat pickups to check out (for this type of sound) are Fender Custom Shop '54s and Fat '50s (Fat '50s are a little less vintagey and more versatile), Kent Armstrong Vintage Strat Pickups, and DiMarzio True Velvets.

Good luck!

dannyalcatraz 12-10-2012 03:45 AM

I know you can find a variety of used Godins in very good condition in the $300-500 range. This year alone, I've tried (and nearly bought) a $300 Progression (SSS) and $450 Velocity (HSS) at Guitar Center, for instance. Neither guitar had anything wrong with them besides cosmetic wear & tear scratches, and not major ones, either.

(There are also used Sessions (HSS) in that price range as well.)

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Solid-B...tars&ipp=50&o=1

And new or used Tweaker Combos can be had in your price range, too.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Search/...eaker+combo&o=1

JustRooster 12-10-2012 09:55 AM

Used Fender Hot Rod Deluxe - $400-$450
Used Fender MIM Stratocaster - $250-$300


I can't say enough how much I love the Hot Rod series amps.

zl1288 12-10-2012 10:01 AM

Used MIM strat and a used Egnater tweaker would be a great combo. That amp loves strats! You should be able to get both well within your budget.

durant11 12-10-2012 10:07 AM

Thanks for the help so far!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattrusso
You could also go for a Fender Super Champ X2 or a used Super/Vibro Champ XD. Those amps will give you much more versatility and about equal sound quality


There's a VOX AC4TV that's 100 used on my local craigslist...which seems like a steal.
What's the difference between the Super Champ X2/XD -- I was looking on musiciansfriend and there's not much of a distinction? Also, the Vibro Champ XD seems to be discontinued but on amazon its 240 new...is that a good deal?

Also I'll check to see if there's any used Godins I can afford at my local guitar center. Never heard of Godin but from youtube clips they seem solid!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRooster
Used Fender Hot Rod Deluxe - $400-$450

The Hot Rod Deluxe sounds awesome but is 40W overkill? I'll mostly be practicing at home and I heard that for many tube amps the volume needs to be cranked to get the best sound?

Also, I don't see myself using the bridge pickup too often if I buy a SSS guitar...are there any recommendations for a HSS guitar under $500 (new or used)?

Thanks so much!

D3M0N1C 12-10-2012 12:32 PM

Hello dude,

I don't have much experience, so can't really suggest anything, but I'm after a similar setup to you (SSS Strat and bedroom tube Amp). My budget is a little higher being about 1000 but I've had some good suggestions, you may find some useful information in my current thread:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...15&page=1&pp=20

Happy hunting!

dannyalcatraz 12-10-2012 12:58 PM

Quote:
The Hot Rod Deluxe sounds awesome but is 40W overkill? I'll mostly be practicing at home and I heard that for many tube amps the volume needs to be cranked to get the best sound?


I happen to own a 40w Fender HRD Combo, and I have to say I love the crystal clear cleans it delivers...

But, as you say, as a home practice amp, it is overkill. I have never gotten that baby over 4- anything louder scares my dogs and disturbs the neighbors.

mattrusso 12-10-2012 12:58 PM

Personally, I'm not a fan of the Hot Rod series. It might be partially because those are the amps they usually have in the ensemble rooms at my school, but they've always sounded lackluster to me. And yeah, 40w is way overkill if you're just gonna be playing in your bedroom, especially if you want some tube breakup.

As far as HSS guitars go, I'd recommend Fender Fat Strats (MIM or MIA depending on what you can afford) or one of the Godins dannyalcatraz posted about.

The X2 is just the updated newer model of the XD, and they took away the smaller "Vibro" variation. I have a Vibro Champ XD and it's a great little practice amp, but I got it new for $200 while they were still around, so I'd say $240 isn't a great deal. $100 is a great price for that Vox though!

JustRooster 12-10-2012 10:04 PM

Yeah, the Hot Rod is a bit much as far as volume for your setting.

When I lived in the dorms during college I played out of a Blackstar HT5. It's not a tube amp, but it sure did sound really good at low volumes. I still toy with it from time to time.

durant11 12-11-2012 02:08 AM

I ended up purchasing a Yamaha Pacifica 112J off of musiciansfriend.

I looked at a lot of the youtube review/sound clips and was really impressed for the price.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YJXvve6B9k

^^That tone in particular really got me hooked. Any idea what amp he's playing through? :D

This was after I went to my local GC and tried out the MIM strats, Squier Classic Vibes and also some used G&L's. None of them felt right and I knew I would regret the purchase eventually...of course the American Standards felt amazing (but way out of budget)!

I think if the Pacifica feels cheap or I get a dud I'll send it right back...but now on to selecting an amp.
I think I may be able to afford the Egnater Tweaker 15 but I am still open to other suggestions! I tried out the VoxAC4TV and a Bugera 5w but wasn't too impressed :shrug:
I didn't get a chance to try the Fender Super Champ but did get to hear the Blues Junior which sounded nice too.

Thanks for all the advice!

trashedlostfdup 12-11-2012 02:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRooster
Used Fender Hot Rod Deluxe - $400-$450
Used Fender MIM Stratocaster - $250-$300


I can't say enough how much I love the Hot Rod series amps.


serious or joking? the clean channel isn't bad, its actually quite nice, but the OD channel is terrible even on the III. i wanted to like one but i couldn't justify it.

i would also (it is different than the HRD) would be a Peavey Classic 30. they fall in the same price range, if not cheaper.

dannyalcatraz 12-11-2012 02:44 AM

That Peavey has very good cleans as well, and handles distortion a bit better, but the one I tried out head to head vs the HRD I bought gave me a couple of "ice pick" squeals to the ear.

It could have been that particular amp or something else, but that put it out of the running.

The Vox tube combos are worth investigating.

JustRooster 12-11-2012 09:50 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by trashedlostfdup
serious or joking? the clean channel isn't bad, its actually quite nice, but the OD channel is terrible even on the III. i wanted to like one but i couldn't justify it.

i would also (it is different than the HRD) would be a Peavey Classic 30. they fall in the same price range, if not cheaper.



None of that has anything to do with the fact that I love the tone I get from mine.


https://soundcloud.com/justrooster/clean-strat
https://soundcloud.com/justrooster/wipeout-cover


Top is a MIA Strat and bottom is a CIJ Strat... both recorded through my HRD.

monwobobbo 12-11-2012 08:08 PM

although it is way over 15 watts look at a Peavey valveking. i use strats and have had great luck tone wise with them (yeah i know i just bought an Ultra but ya know to good to pass up). the VK can be played a low volumes and not sound bad and is pretty versatile. just a thought


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