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amit190 12-19-2012 04:08 AM

stupid question
 
hi there!
i have a simple question,
if i play the B note and bend it 1/2 step,i will get C..
what if ill bend it 1/4 step?

thanks

jebbe9696 12-19-2012 07:21 AM

Something in between. We have no names for microtonal stuff in our music theory.

CorrosionMedia 12-19-2012 07:31 AM

I'd say either B# or Cb depending on how wrong you wish to be.

Jacques-Henri 12-19-2012 07:48 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by CorrosionMedia
I'd say either B# or Cb depending on how wrong you wish to be.


Well, not at all actually. B# and Cb exist, B# has the same pitch as C and Cb has the same pitch as B. Cb would exist in GbM/Ebm and CbM/Abm and B# would exist in F#M/D#m and C#M/A#m.

Microtonal bends like the ones TS is talking about don't have names in Western Music, but are used a lot in Oriental Music.

GoldenGuitar 12-19-2012 10:45 AM

You get B quarter sharp (give or take), quarters tones do exist.

mdc 12-19-2012 10:48 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by amit190
hi there!
i have a simple question,
if i play the B note and bend it 1/2 step,i will get C..
what if ill bend it 1/4 step?

thanks

Quarter steps are great if you want a bluesy sound. :)

food1010 12-19-2012 12:58 PM

To add: A quarter sharp is notated in music by the same # symbol, except with only one vertical line.

AeolianWolf 12-19-2012 01:35 PM

B half-sharp or C half-flat.

i advise you not to use them unless you're going for a dissonant sound -- unless, of course, your harmony already incorporates quarter tones, and you'll find that western music doesn't really allow for that very cleanly, so you'll need to adopt other thought processes. personally i'm not fond of harmony utilizing quarter tones.

as mdc pointed out, they're actually great for a bluesy sound. there are records of blues pianists playing two notes a half step away simultaneously because the note they're after is somewhere in between.

and sometimes in composing, i'll have a melody sketch in my head and occasionally, when i can't seem to write it down, i'll play through it and i'll discover that one of the notes isn't quite an E, but isn't quite an F, either.

griffRG7321 12-19-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jebbe9696
Something in between. We have no names for microtonal stuff in our music theory.


Yes we do, quarter sharps, quarter flats, 3/4 sharps and 3/4 flats.

AeolianWolf 12-19-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by griffRG7321
Yes we do, quarter sharps, quarter flats, 3/4 sharps and 3/4 flats.


i think you mean half sharps/flats, and sharp and a half/flat and a half.

sharp = raised a semitone, so half sharp = raised one quarter-tone.

Xiaoxi 12-19-2012 02:09 PM

TS, believe it or not, this is actually a much better and more interesting question than a lot of questions that go through here.

griffRG7321 12-19-2012 02:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by AeolianWolf
i think you mean half sharps/flats, and sharp and a half/flat and a half.

sharp = raised a semitone, so half sharp = raised one quarter-tone.


Not in the UK bro.

I know it doesn't make sense. but that's the system used.

jazz_rock_feel 12-19-2012 03:02 PM

I've never heard of half flats or half sharps, only quarter tone sharp or quarter tone flat.

griffRG7321 12-19-2012 03:10 PM

I think 3/4 is referring to the distance between two notes a tone apart.

AeolianWolf 12-20-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by griffRG7321
Not in the UK bro.

I know it doesn't make sense. but that's the system used.


how interesting...in america, we use a different system, and it does make sense.

hmm, i wonder which i'm going to to use?

jazz_rock_feel 12-20-2012 01:08 AM

Well, I mean, I've never heard anyone say something like "C half sharp." That just sounds weird and confusing. It's a bit longer, but way clearer to say C quarter tone sharp, or quarter tone flat B or whatever.

food1010 12-20-2012 01:37 AM

I've always assumed "quarter sharp" to be synonymous with "quarter-step sharp." I don't really know why, but half sharp does just sound weird.

AeolianWolf 12-20-2012 03:55 AM

i've seen both used, but i far more often encounter half sharp (or alternatively, quarter-step sharp).

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Yeah, we're also akin to the 1/4 and 3/4 sharp. Probably because the English came and raped us a few hundred years ago. I also think the only nice thing in panmin's post is the mention of Diablo!!!


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