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martinman777 01-03-2013 09:46 PM

need help nameing a kinda chord
 
could someone explain to me why this works?
this chords sorta like a inverted power chord its
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it produces a neat gloomy sound and id love to know what it is and the name of it

Macabre_Turtle 01-03-2013 09:53 PM

Eb major. It's a major chord where the top note is the root.

KidZero 01-03-2013 09:53 PM

The notes are G, Bb, and Eb. It's an first inversion Eb major triad.

griffRG7321 01-03-2013 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Macabre_Turtle
Eb major. It's a major chord where the top note is the root.


Awful explanation.

It's a first inversion Eb major chord.

Macabre_Turtle 01-03-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by griffRG7321
Awful explanation.

It's a first inversion Eb major chord.


A 100% accurate explanation.

KidZero 01-03-2013 09:57 PM

Hahaha So many of the same explanation.

AeolianWolf 01-03-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Macabre_Turtle
It's a major chord where the top note is the root.


that's a sentence where the fourth, eighth, and eleventh words are nouns.

it's a correct explanation, but it's awful. the two are not mutually exclusive.

Macabre_Turtle 01-03-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AeolianWolf
that's a sentence where the fourth, eighth, and eleventh words are nouns.

it's a correct explanation, but it's awful. the two are not mutually exclusive.


Well sorry I only felt the need to answer his question, and didn't feel the need to give him a full fledged lesson on chord inversions.

AeolianWolf 01-03-2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Macabre_Turtle
Well sorry I only felt the need to answer his question, and didn't feel the need to give him a full fledged lesson on chord inversions.


oh. well, by all means, be sure to give all your answers from this moment on as though you were a columnist for the simple english page on wikipedia.

if you want to answer someone's question correctly, teach them something.

Macabre_Turtle 01-03-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AeolianWolf
oh. well, by all means, be sure to give all your answers from this moment on as though you were a columnist for the simple english page on wikipedia.

if you want to answer someone's question correctly, teach them something.


If he wanted a lesson in chord construction, triads, or inversions he would have asked for it, and I would've gave it to him. But he didn't. He asked what chord it was, and I answered him.

griffRG7321 01-03-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Macabre_Turtle
If he wanted a lesson in chord construction, triads, or inversions he would have asked for it, and I would've gave it to him. But he didn't. He asked what chord it was, and I answered him.


A lesson on inversions wasn't necessary (actually it was, but no one as the time to bother writing up a lesson, there are plenty online). What was necessary was telling him what the chord was, which you didn't do very well.

Macabre_Turtle 01-03-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by griffRG7321
A lesson on inversions wasn't necessary (actually it was, but no one as the time to bother writing up a lesson, there are plenty online). What was necessary was telling him what the chord was, which you didn't do very well.


"Eb major" somehow doesn't answer the question?

food1010 01-04-2013 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Macabre_Turtle
"Eb major" somehow doesn't answer the question?
That part of the answer was fine, but telling him that the top note was the root could be a bit misleading or just plain irrelevant.

I'm not trying to talk shit, but it would have been more helpful and less confusing to the TS to explain that the bass note was a note other than the root, specifically the third.

Macabre_Turtle 01-04-2013 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by food1010
That part of the answer was fine, but telling him that the top note was the root could be a bit misleading or just plain irrelevant.

I'm not trying to talk shit, but it would have been more helpful and less confusing to the TS to explain that the bass note was a note other than the root, specifically the third.


If he's asking us to figure out this chord for him, then he doesn't know what a third is yet. That's why I didn't go into detail about the inversion. I only noted that the root note was on top so that he could identify what chord he was playing if he was to try to move the shape elsewhere on the neck. That's all.

food1010 01-04-2013 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Macabre_Turtle
If he's asking us to figure out this chord for him, then he doesn't know what a third is yet. That's why I didn't go into detail about the inversion. I only noted that the root note was on top so that he could identify what chord he was playing if he was to try to move the shape elsewhere on the neck. That's all.
You're right. Mentioning the third might have confused him.

Still, I think the best response would just be to say Eb major with a different note on bottom.

cdgraves 01-04-2013 01:17 PM

It is a Gm6 begging for resolution to Gm.

You wouldn't typically label a Tonic as an inverted chord. The note of resolution for the bass generally defines tonic. In functional harmony, the names are not simply the result of mathematical derivation, but actual purpose in the music. A I6 chord is functionally distinct from a I chord because it implies melodic motion in the bass. Chords are usually only definitely "in inversion" as passing harmonies. Your ears tell you that any cadence resolving to a chord in inversion is incomplete.

Don't let triad formulas dictate what your ears hear! If someone hears "gloom", they are probably not describing an unstable major triad. The poster likely hears the minor 3rd (G and Bb), and the unresolved minor 6th is creating tension rather than redefining the harmony.

If the OP were to play this with a bassist else and say "It's in Eb", the resulting harmony would be very different than saying "It's in Gm". Put the notes on a piano and then put an Eb under them and compare to G as the root.

food1010 01-04-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cdgraves
It is a Gm6 begging for resolution to Gm.

You wouldn't typically label a Tonic as an inverted chord. The note of resolution for the bass generally defines tonic. In functional harmony, the names are not simply the result of mathematical derivation, but actual purpose in the music. A I6 chord is functionally distinct from a I chord because it implies melodic motion in the bass. Chords are usually only definitely "in inversion" as passing harmonies. Your ears tell you that any cadence resolving to a chord in inversion is incomplete.

Don't let triad formulas dictate what your ears hear! If someone hears "gloom", they are probably not describing an unstable major triad. The poster likely hears the minor 3rd (G and Bb), and the unresolved minor 6th is creating tension rather than redefining the harmony.

If the OP were to play this with a bassist else and say "It's in Eb", the resulting harmony would be very different than saying "It's in Gm". Put the notes on a piano and then put an Eb under them and compare to G as the root.
Of course, context is everything. I wasn't under the assumption it was a tonic chord, so Eb/G made more sense to me.

He did say gloomy, so if you're assuming G as the root, that would actually be a Gm(b6) or addb13 if you like. Gm6 would be G Bb D E, with the major 6th, rather than the minor 6th (Eb).

macashmack 01-04-2013 04:14 PM

I love me some minor major 6's.
TS, inversions are used for voice leading. You now know inversions.
No need to argue anymore :)

griffRG7321 01-04-2013 04:18 PM

Given no context and assuming it's Gm6 - lol

Thinking G Bb Eb is the formula for Gm6 - even bigger lol

martinman777 01-04-2013 05:35 PM

thanks guys it slipped my mind that it might have just been a different voicing of a basic triad


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