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player o slayer 01-06-2013 05:10 PM

Someone who does their own metal tracks willing to help?
 
I was wondering if someone who plays and records their own very low tuned metal songs would be willing to help me out.

Can someone possibly mix down each raw instrument track separately, post the individual mp3s, and then post everything together in a full mix?

I don't mind if the full mix is processed or whatever, but im just looking to see what kind of raw tones i should be aiming for before i start tracking. Like what it sounds like through the mic before deciding that is a good tone for this song.

I play a lot of 7 string stuff so if anyone is willing to take the time to help me out, i would appreciate it greatly.

Thanks in advance!

Cavalcade 01-06-2013 05:36 PM

For really low-tuned riffs (drop A or lower), most of the low-end usually comes from the bass guitar, rather than the rhythm guitars. You'll be EQing most of the bass out of the guitars once you're done anyway. I'd recommend not using too much treble, too. Hope that helps.
What sort of sound are you going for, anyway? Post some 7-string songs that you think have good tone.

player o slayer 01-06-2013 05:59 PM

I feel that in most of my mixes the guitar ends up so full of mid range it sounds telephoney. I think it has a lot to do with my raw tone and mic placement. I do cut a lot of bass out of my guitars, around 100hz up to 200hz depending. i usually boost the bass guitar a bit at that 100-200hz range.

Ill post a song i did, its Volumes-The Colombian Faction. it sounds ok but im going to re-record guitars with a different mic placement.

Heres the original:

Heres mine: https://soundcloud.com/fistfullofshit

player o slayer 01-06-2013 06:00 PM

i can post my raw .wav files if anyone wants to have a go at mixing this for practice haha

Cavalcade 01-06-2013 06:06 PM

To get that Volumes mix, you'll need even more bass guitar. Like I said, the low end mostly comes from the bass guitar, so if your mix doesn't sound like it has balls, boost the bass guitar. Also, your main guitars are way too loud compared to everything else; the drums are way the hell in the background.
Finally, there's just too much mid in the guitars, but that's not an amp issue; you just need to EQ the mids out. Volumes scoops the hell out of their mids, which is part of that processed, modern deathcore/djent tone.
So, to recap: Lower the mids and give the bassist his due.

player o slayer 01-06-2013 06:15 PM

I am the bassist technically lol, alright ill give that a go. Ive always been inclined to boost mids to get that djent sound, not that these guitar tracks are boosted much at all.

i think im going to start re working the drums and bass together, and then mixing in the guitars all together.

I know this is a super vague question, but can anyone offer any advice on what levels/volumes my instruments should be peaking?

OfCourseNot 01-06-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by player o slayer
i can post my raw .wav files if anyone wants to have a go at mixing this for practice haha


That would be great. Were did you get them?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by player o slayer
I know this is a super vague question, but can anyone offer any advice on what levels/volumes my instruments should be peaking?


Don't hit 0 db or above at all. If you find the mix peaking and you still need to turn up an instrument, turn everything down and give yourself more headroom. Make sure to put a compressor on the kick and snare so you get the body you need without peaking because of the transients. Also, you can put a limiter on something if you need too, but I don't really like to do that unless it's necessary.

Remember, you're going to master the song eventually, so it needs to be good as a mix, which means no peaking. And no peaking when you master!

Cavalcade 01-06-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by player o slayer
Ive always been inclined to boost mids to get that djent sound

That's before the amp. After it, the mids are turned down a lot. If you're talking about what I think you are, most djent guitarists use a pedal to boost the mids before the amp, but in the mixing process, the mids are scooped to make room for the vocals and leads. Learning what the different frequency ranges sound like will help you a lot, but that'll come with time.
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Originally Posted by OfCourseNot
That would be great. Were did you get them?

He's not the guitarist for Volumes, if that's what you mean. He means the tracks from his cover.

player o slayer 01-06-2013 06:23 PM

Where did i get them? i made them, recorded all the tracks. I can mix each track down individually so another user can upload them into their daw and mix them.


Edit: The tracks from the cover song! not the youtube video lol

xSOHx 01-06-2013 06:27 PM

Another thing I've found is getting the kick drum to sound nice and beefy makes a HUGE difference in the quality of the mix. Even if the guitars are lacking a bit, mixing in a nice big kick sound can make all the difference

Cavalcade 01-06-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xSOHx
Another thing I've found is getting the kick drum to sound nice and beefy makes a HUGE difference in the quality of the mix. Even if the guitars are lacking a bit, mixing in a nice big kick sound can make all the difference

What he said. To do that, put some compression on the kick track. Set the attack to around 20 ms, and give it a sharp ratio and a low threshold. This is called gating; it makes the attack sharper.

player o slayer 01-11-2013 08:00 PM

https://soundcloud.com/fistfullofsh...action-cover-by

new version done with given advice.

sounds better to me. vocals now too

Odirunn 01-13-2013 01:24 AM

Here you go, sir.

https://soundcloud.com/moving-forwa...faction-example

player o slayer 01-23-2013 05:16 PM

Is that a programmed bass odi?

i cant believe ya did that for me! thanks a ton man, gave me alot of good ideas.

how'd you do your guitars? what was the chain/effects/Eqs used?


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