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lockwolf 01-09-2013 10:30 AM

UG Recording Bi-Weekly Mixoff #1: Wallpaper by Worm (recorded by Kyle62)
 
Its time, bring on the first Mixoff of 2013!

What is it? Just expand the Spoiler:

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This first mixoff comes from Kyle62. This is a band he recently recorded named Worm.

Original Mix: http://www.soundcloud.com/facemeltstudio/wallpaper
Downloadable Stems: http://rightontime.vilayer.me/music...ORM%20STEMS.zip

Finish by January 17th to be elegible to be crowned this weeks winner!

Mix on!

kyle62 01-09-2013 10:48 AM

Awesome. If people want, I can get the band to have a listen to the each entry and give everyone feedback, help decide the winner.

USEFUL STUFF:
  • Bear in mind this was a low-budget demo by a fairly young, inexperienced band - the timing is a little loose and there's some sketchy bits. Whether you correct them or embrace them is up to you!
  • It's a full recording - you won't need any specialist guitar plugins or drum software, just a DAW and some ears!
  • I've included direct outputs from the guitar amps so you can mess around with cabinet emulation if you fancy it.
  • The band's main influences are Sonic Youth, Muse, Foo Fighters etc as well as classic rock. A warm, chunky, alt-rock sound is probably more their thing than metal-style precision.


Look forward to hearing everyone kick the crap out of my mix. I might make a fresh start on it and enter as well :poke:

ChemicalFire 01-09-2013 10:48 AM

As far as the CLA stuff? I tend to use some of the instruments mixed in with other SSD drums. Is that better than just shoving a preset on there?

kyle62 01-09-2013 11:07 AM

I've never seen those CLA plugs before. They do look a bit 'mixing by numbers' don't they?

chatterbox272 01-09-2013 11:17 AM

Yay I was worried this wasn't going to get off the ground. Why oh why does it have to be almost midnight here, and I'm going to be out until 10 tomorrow :( I'm going to have to wait until Friday.

ChemicalFire 01-09-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle62
I've never seen those CLA plugs before. They do look a bit 'mixing by numbers' don't they?


I'm in reference to the CLA pack for Steven Slate Drums :haha: The presets require next to no work to get them to sound good.

tukk04 01-09-2013 11:38 AM

I didn't know about this kind of stuff, even if I lose it'll be fun to try.

BTW the original mix looks crazy loud, in a bad way.

ChemicalFire 01-09-2013 01:01 PM

What's the bpm? Just for reference.

Man you weren't kidding about that timing and I'm rather interested in some of these instrumentation choices... ie the 3 guitars parts and the random harmonics...

Think I'm gonna fake a double take with guitar 1 and mix that in too.

Xiaoxi 01-09-2013 03:56 PM

Cool idea. I may or may not participate. Very busy with my orchestra sequence and sample libraries.

lockwolf 01-09-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChemicalFire
As far as the CLA stuff? I tend to use some of the instruments mixed in with other SSD drums. Is that better than just shoving a preset on there?


As long as its not a straight CLA replacement, I'm okay with it. Its way too easy to shove the CLA drums on something and call it good.

Quote:
I've never seen those CLA plugs before. They do look a bit 'mixing by numbers' don't they?


They're interesting to say the least. There are more than the CLA ones (like the Eddie Kramer one is amazing as well. Great if you're looking for that Hendrix or Zeppelin style mixing quickly)

Also, I'd love to get feedback from the original band on my mix. If they love mine, they can use it as long as they give me credit :p

ChemicalFire 01-09-2013 05:11 PM

In the end I'm going with 0 replacement, though the kick could possibly use some.

kyle62 01-09-2013 06:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by tukk04
I didn't know about this kind of stuff, even if I lose it'll be fun to try.

BTW the original mix looks crazy loud, in a bad way.

Generally I master conservatively using the K-system but there's not much in the way of dynamics in the track itself, and the band have a 'loud as hell' vibe, so I just smashed it with a limiter. It's at a pretty standard level for commercial rock (about -9dB average I think), but the lack of dynamics make the waveform look comically flat!

Not a clue about the BPM, sorry. I didn't think the harmonics were out of time at all though, I'll check it now. It's a weird syncopated rhythm.

As for the three guitar parts, 2 and 3 are essentially the same part played with slightly different rhythms, you can use em interchangeably our just ditch one completely.

tukk04 01-09-2013 08:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyle62
Generally I master conservatively using the K-system but there's not much in the way of dynamics in the track itself, and the band have a 'loud as hell' vibe, so I just smashed it with a limiter. It's at a pretty standard level for commercial rock (about -9dB average I think), but the lack of dynamics make the waveform look comically flat!

Not a clue about the BPM, sorry. I didn't think the harmonics were out of time at all though, I'll check it now. It's a weird syncopated rhythm.

As for the three guitar parts, 2 and 3 are essentially the same part played with slightly different rhythms, you can use em interchangeably our just ditch one completely.

Ah, ok then. You're right, now that I look at the waveform it's kinda funny to see so flat.

axemanchris 01-10-2013 08:20 AM

Downloading. I might do this if I can find time.

I have the Waves vocal bundle. I find it makes some vocals (a lot of vocals) sound thin, compared to using just my other compressors, EQ, etc. Other times, it is just what the doctor ordered.

Obviously, the answer here is "honesty" but if it sounds good, who is to know who used what? In the end, if CLA himself used an off-the-shelf preset from his CLA bundle from Waves, as long as it sounded great, who would know? And more to the point, who would care?

I mean, hey... if one person can get a better sound with a paint-by-numbers out of the box preset from a plugin than the next person can get with a rack full of effects processing, I'd say, have at 'em.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not moaning, "Whaaa.... I want to use my vocal bundle and the mean UG people won't let me." Fine, I'll make a note not to use it. I don't care. I'm just throwing it out there why those rules might be unnecessary if you want to make this an "if you were a real-world mix engineer" kind of scenario.

CT

ChemicalFire 01-10-2013 10:51 AM

I have a quick mix done, but it sounds too cluttered, so I'm not going to upload it xD

kyle62 01-10-2013 11:34 AM

So....how many of you keen-eyed gents noticed that the drums are MIDI?

ChemicalFire 01-10-2013 11:46 AM

They are?

You're ****ing with me right?

Was it the band that decided on that snare sound?... cuz I honestly hate it :haha: And that pedal noise made it very hard for me to do any sample replacement using the basic methods I had available.

Here the first mix I'm even a little happy with, I'm gonna come back and upload one with louder bass and some automated guitar volumes at some point when I can be assed to master it.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19504966/A...20-%20Worms.mp3

kyle62 01-10-2013 01:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChemicalFire
They are?

You're ****ing with me right?

Was it the band that decided on that snare sound?... cuz I honestly hate it :haha: And that pedal noise made it very hard for me to do any sample replacement using the basic methods I had available.

Here the first mix I'm even a little happy with, I'm gonna come back and upload one with louder bass and some automated guitar volumes at some point when I can be assed to master it.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19504966/A...20-%20Worms.mp3
Yeah, It's Superior triggered by my electric kit :poke:

I'm on my phone now but looking forward to hearing your mix, man.
Snare sound was mostly my decision. My tastes are generally toward big, live sounding snares....probably because I'm a massive Chad Smith fan!

ChemicalFire 01-10-2013 01:41 PM

I like a nice thick snare sound. I found that adding the snare wires in made it sound too trashy and the top was too well... I dunno. Like hitting a block of wood.

xFilth 01-10-2013 06:24 PM

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