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Coach Potato 01-13-2013 07:42 PM

String action too high?
 
I have an Ibanez sr800. After lowering the bridge to its lowest the action still feels a bit high, especially compared to all the basses I played at guitar center.

Is there something else I can do to lower it?

John Swift 01-13-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Potato
I have an Ibanez sr800. After lowering the bridge to its lowest the action still feels a bit high, especially compared to all the basses I played at guitar center.

Is there something else I can do to lower it?


Is the neck bowed inwards? If it is you usually need an Allan Key/Wrench to take out the bow (after you've first slackened the strings).
Lowering the strings will alter the intonation making it flat at the 12th fret when in tune with string played open

Coach Potato 01-13-2013 08:28 PM

After a quick inspection I found that the neck is indeed bowed inward. I probably should've mentioned that I also just slapped on some new, higher gauge strings.

Also, it seems my allen wrenches are too long to fit into the hole where the truss rod is at. Do you know where I can find shorter ones?

Thanks!

John Swift 01-14-2013 06:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Potato
After a quick inspection I found that the neck is indeed bowed inward. I probably should've mentioned that I also just slapped on some new, higher gauge strings.

Also, it seems my allen wrenches are too long to fit into the hole where the truss rod is at. Do you know where I can find shorter ones?

Thanks!

Not quite sure what you mean by the Allen keys are too long.

Most people don't realise that when changing string gauges the action changes along with the intonation.

I check my string gauges using an imperial measurement Micrometre.

GAPendragon 01-14-2013 10:26 AM

If you have the L shaped keys, do you have room to just use the shorter side of it?

Coach Potato 01-15-2013 08:36 PM

Well, I found some allen wrenches that fit but the nut won't turn at all, in any direction.

Guess it's time to bring it to a shop?

anarkee 01-15-2013 09:03 PM

Take it to a shop and have them show you how to do it and then you'll have the info for the next time you change strings or need a setup on your SR800. If they fit and it won't turn there may be other issues involved.

Sliide90027 01-15-2013 09:33 PM

Yes there may be other issues. From what I read on this, it is not a higher line item, so you may have to accept its limitations.

If this is a Bolt on Neck, look into shimming the Neck to get the action lower. This is why I only play Bolt ons and my action is sub1mm High and Sub2mm on the Low B.

If you are played out on the Truss Adjustment, then heavier strings are not the way to go.


As you can see below, All I Play are Ibanez. Only Bolt Ons with Stringers.
(Iv'e had a Jackson, a US Custom BCRich Mockingbird, a $5K War...jksh$*^@#, and 2 other Ibanezes in the past.)

You can now get into what I think are the best production Basses ever, the Ibanez 400 and 450 Series BTB's for as little as $300 these days, 4, 5, and 6 Strings are out there. The Hardware leaves something to be desired, I will replace mine one day after I get another 456QM, but over all, stable, solid, and slammin.

Alucard817 01-16-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sliide90027
This is why I only play Bolt ons and my action is sub1mm High and Sub2mm on the Low B.

How in the hell do you play that without it going clackity clackity clack?

Sliide90027 01-16-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alucard817
How in the hell do you play that without it going clackity clackity clack?


Very Lightly.
Some say it looks like I am not playing, but the thunder indicates otherwise.

I run the amp just a bit and remind myself to pull back on the effort.

The Bass makes me do things I never imagined, much less imagined that i could do.

John Swift 01-16-2013 10:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sliide90027
If this is a Bolt on Neck, look into shimming the Neck to get the action lower. This is why I only play Bolt ons and my action is sub1mm High and Sub2mm on the Low B.

If the neck is bowed it will still be bowed with shims in place.

Sliide90027 01-16-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by John Swift
If the neck is bowed it will still be bowed with shims in place.


Yes, assuming that he can get the neck back to true was where I was speaking.

John Swift 01-17-2013 06:35 AM

I've got a beautiful G&L L2500 with a little too much bow, my problem is that the truss rod will not move either way, when I applied maximum pressure the Allen key twisted.
Going to get in touch with G&L to see how the rod is secured or will it be a finger board off job.

Coach Potato 01-17-2013 11:30 PM

After a bit of elbow grease I was able to loosen the truss rod but I couldn't tighten it. I guess that's as tight as it well go?

Guess I will just switch to lighter strings then, not really digging the tone of these new ones anyway. Marcus Miller Fat Beams FTW!

Sliide90027 01-18-2013 11:04 PM

As you can see, most play lighter strings. Your Bass is probably not of the Build level to handle the heavier stuff.

John, Sounds like it is more like New Neck time. Forget the surgery thing. That is so way too involved that a New Neck is probably $75 more?

John Swift 01-19-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sliide90027
As you can see, most play lighter strings. Your Bass is probably not of the Build level to handle the heavier stuff.

John, Sounds like it is more like New Neck time. Forget the surgery thing. That is so way too involved that a New Neck is probably $75 more?


Been quoted 175 for the repair by a top guy who builds very expensive custom basses and 375+ for a replacement neck.


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