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clincher09 01-17-2013 02:34 AM

Is singing a natural talent?
 
I'd love to sing, I'd like to sing for a band, but my voice sounds like shit.

I don't know if it's because I'm doing it wrong or what. I can hit notes well, but my voice just sounds bad. Will taking vocal lessons help me find my voice, or is it just something you have to be born with?

whywefight 01-17-2013 02:35 AM

The voice is as much an instrument as a guitar. It can be practiced as such.

edit: that said, my voice is probably the equivalent of a 400$ guitar. Nice to practice on, isn't totally abysmal, but definitely nothing special.

eGraham 01-17-2013 02:36 AM

Singing lessons, wrong forum, etc., etc.

clincher09 01-17-2013 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by eGraham
Singing lessons, wrong forum, etc., etc.


The singing forum is dead, plus this is more of a general question rather than something specific about vocals.

chaoticfables 01-17-2013 02:42 AM

I think it is, personally. But that doesn't mean you can't learn how to do it well, either.

eGraham 01-17-2013 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by clincher09
The singing forum is dead, plus this is more of a general question rather than something specific about vocals.

Alright then.

Yes, proficiency with the voice, as with any other instrument, is natural. That's not to say it can't be learned, though.

My advice would be to seek someone who sings, at least semi-professionally, a voice therapist, or a singing instructor. You need to start with the basics: Identify your entire, comfortable, modal range. That is, your range before you start to break into falsetto.

Find or write songs that will fit into your range and try to sing along with them. Practice is the most important step in learning anything, but first you need to know what to practice, and that's why you should pay a visit to someone who knows about the voice first. It is possible to damage the vocal cords, and consequentially permenantly decrease your overall range.


Also, when practicing within your modal range, try different, simple exercises. A good example of this is to go up from the lowest tone to your highest in semi-tones, both in staccato and legato (abrupt and smooth, if you didn't know). Much like a siren.

Shirate 01-17-2013 02:46 AM

Tonal quality is pretty much born into a person, but it can be altered through good technique.

blake1221 01-17-2013 02:52 AM

You can take measures to improve what you have, but for the most part, yes.

the bartender 01-17-2013 03:01 AM

talent determines how quickly you make progress, and therefore how good you will be able to get, but practice determines how good you are actually going to be.

rockfan7 01-17-2013 03:21 AM

I don't think anyone has a bad voice, I just think a lot of people use theirs the wrong way.

blake1221 01-17-2013 03:43 AM

There are definitely bad voices, don't be nave.

Thrashtastic15 01-17-2013 03:49 AM

yes but in most cases you can usually make it work

BjarnedeGraaf 01-17-2013 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrashtastic15
yes but in most cases you can usually make it work


With a shitload of effects maybe. or autotune

ali.guitarkid7 01-17-2013 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rockfan7
I don't think anyone has a bad voice, I just think a lot of people use theirs the wrong way.

probably never heard me sing.


OT: Sure, you can be okay at singing without any lessons, but if you want to be a good singer you have to have lessons.


It's weird though, because I usually only really like rough vocals or ones that aren't like RnB (or even the opera kind, don't know what it's called). I don't think you need any lessons for those, though I don't know anything about them aside from how great they sound.

the bartender 01-17-2013 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BjarnedeGraaf
With a shitload of effects maybe. or autotune

I disagree. Take Neutral Milk Hotel for example, the guy's got a horrible voice, but his outstanding technique makes up for it.

smartguyreviews 01-17-2013 04:25 AM

Alright, I'm only typing this out once, so listen up you little shits


The key's resonance. First step is really just yawning. Take a few deep breaths in and out. Then yawn in and out. Stop yourself mid yawn and feel that resonance. Notice how the back of your mouth and teeth are spaced, that openess is the first step to getting a good vocal tone. If you can do that, you'll basically be set.

Step two's a shit ton of diction related stuff you don't need to know. One thing I can't stress enough, though. HOLD OUT ON VOWELS.

ex:
My friend wrote a song he likes to play. The chorus has him going "too far" and holding out the word "far". Since he doesn't know better, he finishes the word and keeps it sustained, which sounds like "farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr". Do that right now. Sounds and feels restricted. That's bad. Instead, you should hold out the vowel, like "faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar". It'll actually sound more like "faaaaaaaaaaaaaah" but the way it's perceived does more than enough to fill in the missing soft consonant. Like I recently had to hold the word "joy" at a holiday concert. I sang "joooooooooooooooooe" and it sounded right. There's also shit with harder consonants but it ain't even worth the mention

If you need any more info or have any more questions, hit me with a PM. I'm a music education major with 4 semesters of voice, consistently beasting my juries/performances.

NothingRocks 01-17-2013 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BjarnedeGraaf
With a shitload of effects maybe. or autotune


Autotune fixes incorrect intonation and pitch, not vocal technique. Just because you can sing in pitch doesn't necessarily mean it will always sound good.

rockfan7 01-17-2013 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blake1221
There are definitely bad voices, don't be nave.


:shrug: there's an audience for everything. If any one worked hard enough and got in tact with what they want to express with their voices they'd have a good voice. It just comes a lot more naturally to some people.

JohnnyGenzale 01-17-2013 06:04 AM

Lung capacity is very much bound to your body.

If your father had great lungs, you will most likely have it.

But most stuff can be practiced. A lot.

Dynamight 01-17-2013 07:33 AM

The vocal tone is the only thing that's natural. Other than that it's all practice.


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