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twistedshifter 01-20-2013 06:44 PM

Best pedal for metal
 
After doing hours of research and looking through countless threads on countless websites (and by that I do not, in anyway, mean like 2 hours and like 5 websites) for the best pedal for me, I have decided to start my own thread. I need a pedal for metal. I don't mean anything hard like death or black metal, I mean something like symphonic or power metal. I was given a Boss Metalcore as a gift a while back and I have been using it ever since. It's too much. I have the distortion turned down almost all the way. Most of the threads I have looked at say the Metal Muff is fantastic, but others disagree. Everyone pretty much has their own opinion, but everyone seems to hate the Metalcore. I don't really have much money to spend. I would prefer to not spend over $100. I play out of a 100w Marshall Solidstate amp. Does anyone have any suggestions for pedals? Thanks.

JoePerry4life 01-20-2013 06:49 PM

To be honest a pedal won't get you far. If you want a better metal tone, sell your amp, save your money and buy an high gain amp. A 6505+ combo is 599, and much better than any pedal even if the combo versions falls short of the head.

TheNameOfNoone 01-20-2013 06:50 PM

Metalcore is :poop:.

Metal pedal under 100$? Maybe Marshall Jackhammer, I heard it can nail some less-extreme metal tones.
Otherwise, for power metal I suppose you need some huge, strong guitar tone. Try Boss Power Stack, maybe that's what you're looking for.

Blktiger0 01-20-2013 06:53 PM

My suggestion is that you sell your MG and get a better amp. With the $100 for a pedal and the money you get out of the Marshall, you can probably get a decent tube amp for what you want.

If you want a more Marshall sound for your Power Metal, you can get a Marshall JCM2000 DSL401 for $400-$500 used all day long. It's a great amp.

In addition, you could find a Peavey Ultra for around $300 - $400 used if you look around and are willing to wait.

Both of those would do fine for Power Metal. If you want the more standard, generic sound, you would have to go more expensive and do soemthing like a Mesa Tremoverb, which will be more like $800 - $900.

At the end of the day, though, would you rather have a half-assed sound from a pedal and crappy amp that you'll have to upgrade again later, or would you rather have a great amp that will give you the tones that you want right out of the box and last you much longer?

If you take your time and save up money, you can get much more for what you're spending and be much happier with your purchase.

twistedshifter 01-20-2013 07:52 PM

Thanks but I still don't really know what I will do. A lot of people say the Marshall 8100 (the one I have) is great for metal, but others say it sucks and the JCM is the way to go. I might just get a cheap overdrive pedal for now and use it with the distortion on my amp. Is that a good idea?

Other than the JCM, are there another cheap high gain heads? I could maybe spend $700 at absolute most. Is it socially acceptable to have a different head on a Marshall cab? Also, should I put another pedal (like overdrive) on top of the amp's distortion, or should I just rely on the amp's distortion? Sorry, I know it's a lot of questions. Thanks guys.

Addonexus408 01-20-2013 07:58 PM

Save your money and save up for a good head. A good head wont require a boost trust me. Look into used peaveys. Ultra, XXX, 5150, JSX, 6505, they could all work. It doesnt matter what head you use with what cab, good tone is good tone no matter if the brand names dont match. You can get a used peavey tube head for $700 or under

twistedshifter 01-20-2013 10:03 PM

Thanks for all the help. I found a nice Peavey Ultra Plus for $300. I'll probably buy that and sell most of my pedals.

ragingkitty 01-20-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedshifter
Is it socially acceptable to have a different head on a Marshall cab?



Metal + socially acceptable?

What? ?????!

TremontiAddict 01-20-2013 10:37 PM

Most good pedals sound best through a nice tube amp anyways. I'd focus on upgrading that first.

Ian_the_fox 01-21-2013 12:27 AM

This amp?:



Why do you need a pedal again?


Oh, and this is also a Valvestate 8100:


Blktiger0 01-21-2013 08:57 AM

The Peavey Ultra should work great for you. You shouldn't need an overdrive, but if you decide you want your amp to sound a little tighter with a bit more output, you can put an overdrive in front of it as a boost. Set the level at maximum, the drive/gain at minimum, and the tone to taste. As clarification, that's only going to work with tube amps, not solid state.

If you try the ultra and don't like it as much as you hoped, look for a Marshall JCM2000 DSL50 or DSL100

Don't get a 5150 or 6505. I wouldn't buy either of those for Power Metal. An EVH 5150 III would work, but that's going to be out of your budget. The 50w version is about 600 - 800 used.

Make sure you try the Ultra with your cabinet and your guitar before you buy it.

loki_lulamen 01-21-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian_the_fox
This amp?:



Why do you need a pedal again?


Oh, and this is also a Valvestate 8100:




Wow that actually sounds pretty damn good.

twistedshifter 01-21-2013 12:30 PM

How do I get a sound like that? It seems like no matter what I do, it just sounds a little off. It's like the low end isn't gainy enough but then when I play solos and stuff up higher, it sounds too trebly. If I turn the treble down or turn the bass up, it sounds even worse and kind of muddy. I pretty much have no idea how the contour thing works. Any suggestions?

loki_lulamen 01-21-2013 06:40 PM

Contour is the opposite of mids.

Higher dial = more scoop
Lower dial = flatter mids

tsg31t 01-21-2013 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedshifter
Thanks but I still don't really know what I will do. A lot of people say the Marshall 8100 (the one I have) is great for metal, but others say it sucks and the JCM is the way to go. I might just get a cheap overdrive pedal for now and use it with the distortion on my amp. Is that a good idea?

Other than the JCM, are there another cheap high gain heads? I could maybe spend $700 at absolute most. Is it socially acceptable to have a different head on a Marshall cab? Also, should I put another pedal (like overdrive) on top of the amp's distortion, or should I just rely on the amp's distortion? Sorry, I know it's a lot of questions. Thanks guys.



Get on Ebay - Peavey 6505 or 6505+ going for around $550-$650 on there...Just got one for myself...Super happy with the 6505+

diabolical 01-21-2013 10:44 PM

Pedal for metal - I won't suggest any of the cheap stuff as it sounds awful.

I've been very happy with H&K Tubeman:
http://www.houstonmusicreviews.com/...nertubeman2.htm

or Blackstar HT-Dual:
http://www.houstonmusicreviews.com/...tar_ht_dual.htm

Love both pedals. I think Blackstar also makes that pedal in a single channel format which is just the dirty channel.

emerald876 01-23-2013 05:14 PM

You should be able to get an AMAZING sound out of that amp, Chuck Schuldiner from Death used a Valvestate 8100.

diabolical 01-23-2013 06:41 PM

The VS8100 works great with Marshall's own overdrive - the Guv'nor or the Jackhammer are killer with that amp. I have that amp and if you want to get ridiculously aggressive sound (think Slayer, Death) the Jaclhammer set on the overdrive setting did the trick rather nicely.

losing battle 01-24-2013 05:05 AM

The valvestate 8100 is a good amp as shown in the demo above, maybe a modulation or eq pedal might be what you should be looking for at the $100 range.


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