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Old 10-12-2012, 04:56 AM   #3161
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:03 PM   #3162
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you can't say something is impossible ,before you get to understand the truth of this world ,this universe,or this dimension,understand who we really are ,where we really come from,the Tao

it's impossible to understand all that, I reject the notion completely!
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:57 PM   #3163
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you can't say something is impossible ,before you get to understand the truth of this world ,this universe,or this dimension,understand who we really are ,where we really come from,the Tao


As a primate I disagree, there are a great many things that are impossible.

Slamming a revolving door, for example.
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As a primate I disagree, there are a great many things that are impossible.

Slamming a revolving door, for example.


All revolving doors are horrible, unsightly, and the cause of many head injuries to small children and absent minded adults! They're evil!

There. I just slammed every revolving door in the world.
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i think all the rising atheism/agnosticism has got something to do with lying to kids about santa claus

i mean there's got to be some connection

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Old 10-14-2012, 04:10 AM   #3166
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i think all the rising atheism/agnosticism has got something to do with lying to kids about santa claus

i mean there's got to be some connection

Are you suggesting that lying to kids about Santa Claus is a recent thing?
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i think all the rising atheism/agnosticism has got something to do with lying to kids about santa claus

i mean there's got to be some connection


I think it's more to do with the general cultural acceptence of the scientific method being a better way to aquire knowledge than the reading of ancient mythology.

Any form of deity is, by definition, a mythological being, because the standard definition of 'mythology' is a traditional story, usualy a sacred narrative and usually used to explain how the world or humankind came to be.

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“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

The reason why a religious person would dismiss other gods is because they consider them as mythological and therefore 'unreal'.
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Old 10-14-2012, 02:12 PM   #3168
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:49 PM   #3169
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Damnit, I hate talking to my Christian parents. Every single time I call, the conversation is going great until it's steered toward their faith. I think they've detected that I am not interested in it, so they've decided to talk about it even more, I guess to save me or something.

Many people here may not deal with christians as delusional as my parents. They believe that they are literally haunted by demons since my sister used to live there(she played with an ouija board at one point, which is apparently a gateway to Hell). They believe that, even though they are both suffering with serious medical conditions and have always had just a little more money than is required to survive, they are blessed by God. They literally have nothing more than someone on welfare, but they are blessed. Isn't that absurd?

And here's the kicker: my father is permanently disabled from debilitating injuries that he suffered over the course of 20+ years from HARD, MANUAL LABOR. He literally worked himself into permanent disability over the course of 20+ years. And somehow the fact that he gets barely enough money to survive from the government means that he's blessed. Never mind the fact that he has a permanent injury that will plague him for the rest of his life, which might actually be short pretty because of a serious heart condition which also plagues him.

Back to the haunting thing, both of them claim to see apparitions. They tell me stories of shadow figures and mysterious reflections in the mirror. They believe spirits talk to them in their sleep. Now, I'm not going to say this stuff is impossible, but it's really hard to take seriously given the complexities of the human mind. They've believed this stuff for many years, and supposedly it was going on when I was living there. The funny thing is that I don't remember anything like that. Their explanation for my lack of spiritual contact? That I am somehow less of a spiritual medium than they are.

Damn this shit drives me nuts. It's like talking to a 5 year old that wants to tell me about Santa Clause. All I can do is humor them. I can't say for sure how they would react if I were to tell them that I'm an atheist, but I'm guessing it would be even more unpleasant for me than it is now, unless I were to cut all ties with them.

This is just a rant, but I am wondering if anyone else has to deal with this? Or if you had to deal with it, what would you do? Not saying I want a solution for my problem, just curious.
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Explain to them that the Ouija board was invented, and still is patented, by Hasbro.
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I can't speak on their behalf, but let me try to give you some perspective.

They feel like they're blessed. Remind me why that's a bad thing? I don't currently believe in any God, but I have to admit, I envy those who can feel blessed even when life turns them in a negative direction. I think you're being harsh in that judgement, and should be happy that they're happy, given the situation. Dismissing their beliefs doesn't make you any better.

Now, as for them seeing aparitions, that's a whole new ball park.
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I can't speak on their behalf, but let me try to give you some perspective.

They feel like they're blessed. Remind me why that's a bad thing? I don't currently believe in any God, but I have to admit, I envy those who can feel blessed even when life turns them in a negative direction. I think you're being harsh in that judgement, and should be happy that they're happy, given the situation. Dismissing their beliefs doesn't make you any better.

Now, as for them seeing aparitions, that's a whole new ball park.

They believe that they are blessed, ie chosen by God to be better than other people, despite not having any actual blessings. The whole concept is ridiculous. It's like when people think their race is better than another race, even though they aren't actually better than anyone. It's delusional and childish, and I'm definitely allowed to have an opinion on such a ridiculous concept. However, I'm not trying to duke it out with them over it, so my objections do not hurt them.
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Explain to them that the Ouija board was invented, and still is patented, by Hasbro.


Oh shit! It really is!

And if ye put thy hand upon the cursed Ouija, then before you, Optimus Prime shall appear, and drag you to the deepest pit of hell!
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Old 10-14-2012, 06:05 PM   #3175
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Are they happy?

Yeah.

But there are lots of happy people in the world with twisted views and beliefs. This idea that we can't question someone's flawed belief system if it makes them happy is strange to me.

And before someone else accuses me of being intolerant, you need to understand that their belief(that they are blessed) is basically asserting that they are better than those around them who they feel aren't blessed. And as I already outlined, they are obviously making such bold claims without reason.

If I said "I'm better than my neighbor because God said so", I'd probably be expected to prove why I can make such a ridiculous claim.
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I can't speak on their behalf, but let me try to give you some perspective.

They feel like they're blessed. Remind me why that's a bad thing? I don't currently believe in any God, but I have to admit, I envy those who can feel blessed even when life turns them in a negative direction. I think you're being harsh in that judgement, and should be happy that they're happy, given the situation. Dismissing their beliefs doesn't make you any better.

Agreed completely. Basicaly, they're optimists, 'glass half full' people, they may not be wealthy, they may only have just enough to get by on, but that's still a damn sight more than many people in the world have, I'd say they have every reason to feel blessed.
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Now, as for them seeing aparitions, that's a whole new ball park.

Also agreed.
W4RP1G, you're never gonna change their religious views, and you obviously don't live there anymore so it isn't like you have to put up with it 24/7, just play along on the religion front, better that than falling out with them.

As for the apparitions? Go and see a priest. Seriously.
Don't mention that you're an atheist to him, just tell him what your parents have said and tell him you're concerned about it. He'll more than likely go and have a chat with them and do some blessings upon the house that will put their minds at ease.

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But there are lots of happy people in the world with twisted views and beliefs. This idea that we can't question someone's flawed belief system if it makes them happy is strange to me.

Exactly how flawed is a belief that makes someone happy?
My own sister is VERY religious, but she's had more than her fair share of disaster, her first child was born very premature and sadly didn't survive very long, but I'll tell you what... I was DAMN glad she had her religion at the time because I'm pretty sure that's what got her through it.
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And before someone else accuses me of being intolerant, you need to understand that their belief(that they are blessed) is basically asserting that they are better than those around them who they feel aren't blessed. And as I already outlined, they are obviously making such bold claims without reason.

If I said "I'm better than my neighbor because God said so", I'd probably be expected to prove why I can make such a ridiculous claim.

The next time they assert that they are 'better than those around them who they feel aren't blessed', just quote Jesus to them.

'To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." ' (Luke 18:9-14)
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Yeah.

But there are lots of happy people in the world with twisted views and beliefs. This idea that we can't question someone's flawed belief system if it makes them happy is strange to me.

And before someone else accuses me of being intolerant, you need to understand that their belief(that they are blessed) is basically asserting that they are better than those around them who they feel aren't blessed. And as I already outlined, they are obviously making such bold claims without reason.

If I said "I'm better than my neighbor because God said so", I'd probably be expected to prove why I can make such a ridiculous claim.

If they're blessed with happiness then they're already better off than a lot of people in this world.
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Are you suggesting that lying to kids about Santa Claus is a recent thing?


yeah i mean in the context of human history, and of christian history for that matter.

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if our culture is so accepting of scientific method, why is it traditional to deceive young people?
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Anyone see this little vid:

The basic idea is that religion has positive aspects of it that aren't inherently religious, they're just ideas that gain the most traction with people because of religion. An example he gives is that the sermon, a once a week speech on some aspect of life and how to better ourselves, is not something that the secular world really does.
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