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Old 11-20-2012, 10:21 PM   #11621
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Seeing them on the 27th. Apparantly they ended their Heritage touring in September and have changed to a, let me say more heavy, setlist with not much more that Devil's Orchard from Heritage, which is an awesome track tbh.
Anyway the setlist has been very consistent so far so I am in high hopes that they will keep it that way. This is the setlist from saturday night:

The Devil's Orchard
Ghost of Perdition
White Cluster
Hope Leaves
Deliverance
Hessian Peel
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Reverie/Harlequin Forest
Blackwater Park

They're playing Burden as well on about half their shows...fingers crossed



I'd love so much to see an Opeth show with this setlist. Add in Windowpane and it'd be absolutely perfect.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:23 AM   #11622
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That looks like a half decent setlist. Ghost of Perdition, White Cluster, Deliverance and Blackwater Park are great additions.
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Old 11-21-2012, 09:33 PM   #11623
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That looks like a half decent setlist. Ghost of Perdition, White Cluster, Deliverance and Blackwater Park are great additions.


I got so distracted by seeing anything off of Still Life that I totally missed Blackwater Park. I will die happy once I see that song live.

(I'm still super satisfied that I saw them play Serenity Painted Death live, that was freaking excellent!)
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:04 AM   #11624
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I could easily do without Dirge for November on Blackwater Park.


I love that song. Honestly, I could see how the repetitiveness would get on some people's nerves, but I like the tone it gives off enough that I forgive it easily.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:36 AM   #11625
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Dude I envy that setlist
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:24 AM   #11626
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I love that song. Honestly, I could see how the repetitiveness would get on some people's nerves, but I like the tone it gives off enough that I forgive it easily.

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Old 12-15-2012, 05:15 AM   #11627
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i wanna say some bands fail to even make one masterpiece of an album in their discography...Opeth has made three...Morningrise, Blackwater Park, and Damnation, and i've listened to their entire discography religiously(most of which i have on vinyl, except for three..Still life, Watershed, and Ghost Reveries)...of course this is all my opinion
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:27 PM   #11628
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Ghost Reveries is excellent. If you haven't heard it, you should. It's the next logical step after Damnation/Deliverance and, in my opinion, is one of their strongest records.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:04 PM   #11629
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i wanna say some bands fail to even make one masterpiece of an album in their discography...Opeth has made three...Morningrise, Blackwater Park, and Damnation, and i've listened to their entire discography religiously(most of which i have on vinyl, except for three..Still life, Watershed, and Ghost Reveries)...of course this is all my opinion


Actually, I'd say they've made 5 masterpieces. Still Life, Blackwater Park, Damnation, Deliverance, Ghost Reveries. I don't really count Morningrise as one, because it really isn't as well done as any of the later stuff that actually put them on the map.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:05 PM   #11630
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Morningrise is miles ahead of Deliverance.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:16 AM   #11631
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^ Yes. Yes it is. Perhaps solely for creativity alone though, the songwriting may actually be more haphazard than on Deliverance. Better ideas abound though.
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i wanna say some bands fail to even make one masterpiece of an album in their discography...Opeth has made three...Morningrise, Blackwater Park, and Damnation, and i've listened to their entire discography religiously(most of which i have on vinyl, except for three..Still life, Watershed, and Ghost Reveries)...of course this is all my opinion

Moonsorrow would like words with you. Every album since Voimasta Ja Kunniasta has been a masterpiece in its own right, and far superior songwriting, replay value/depth, and just material in general than anything Opeth has ever done.
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Actually, I'd say they've made 5 masterpieces. Still Life, Blackwater Park, Damnation, Deliverance, Ghost Reveries. I don't really count Morningrise as one, because it really isn't as well done as any of the later stuff that actually put them on the map.

Again, disagree, and see above. Still Life and Blackwater Park are pretty good. Damnation is decent. Deliverance... Well, the title track and For Absent Friends are great. Otherwise, no. GR? See below.
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Ghost Reveries is excellent. If you haven't heard it, you should. It's the next logical step after Damnation/Deliverance and, in my opinion, is one of their strongest records.

If it were not for Atonement and Grand Conjuration and the last half of Harlequin Forest (seriously, that song should just end after the clean meandering bits), I'd agree.

That trio completely destroys any hope that album had of being Opeth's best though. (because the first three songs are truly some of Opeth's best)

For that reason, Opeth's best record, and only album that got close to a "masterpiece" for my money is, and will always be, MAYH. It was the first and best incarnation of the style that would continue to appear [albeit with some random other new tones/"influences" added to the same general songwriting and riff construction] until Watershed.

and as to masterpieces, I repeat: Moonsorrow. They've one of the strongest, most consistently GREAT discographies in metal. And they never cease to develop their sound and songwriting prowess. But it's really an apples and oranges comparison I suppose.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:20 AM   #11632
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I don't really count Morningrise as one, because it really isn't as well done as any of the later stuff that actually put them on the map.


*sigh*....morningrise will as be one of the most misunderstood opeth releases's if not metal album in general

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can't say i've listened to them before although i've heard of moonsorrow...i'll have to check them out, any suggestions on where to start?
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:22 AM   #11633
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For that reason, Opeth's best record, and only album that got close to a "masterpiece" for my money is, and will always be, MAYH. It was the first and best incarnation of the style that would continue to appear [albeit with some random other new tones/"influences" added to the same general songwriting and riff construction] until Watershed.

Agreed. I do love Deliverance (minus A Fair Judgement) and GR though.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:28 AM   #11634
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can't say i've listened to them before although i've heard of moonsorrow...i'll have to check them out, any suggestions on where to start?

Verisäkeet

EDIT: Specifically the song Jotunheim

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Old 12-16-2012, 11:46 AM   #11635
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can't say i've listened to them before although i've heard of moonsorrow...i'll have to check them out, any suggestions on where to start?

Honestly since you're an Opeth fan... V: Havitetty may be your best bet. Or possibly Varjoina Kuljemme Kuolleiden Maassa.

Varjoina Kuljemme Kuolleiden Maassa is probably their best, darkest, heaviest album. V: Havitetty is also quite heavy, but is an amazing journey. Verisakeet is their closest full length to being black metal, but still has touches of their old folk influence (and Pimea and the aforementioned Jotunheim are incredible songs [although Karhunkynsi and Haaska arent far behind]).

But really, there's two halves to their discography. Suden Uni, Voimasta Ja Kunniasta and Kivenkantaja are all much more folk based, what with lots of keyboards and folk instrumentation. These are somewhat fun, still with the epic, Moonsorrow sensibility, but also not as long or as mature of songs.

Verisakeet, the Tulimyrsky EP, V: Havitetty, and Varjoina Kuljemme Kuolleiden Maassa are progressively darker and each builds on certain themes. And are close to black metal, while also bringing in progressive touches to songwriting. The folk instrumentation and influences are still there, but they take a back seat [or are at least toned down], especially on VKKM.

Jotunheim is a great tune to start with though, I agree. As is this one:


[also, special mention to Marko "Baron" Tarvonen. Dude is such an underrated drummer. Does all of Moonsorrow's epic tunes with no triggers at all. And he's just got an excellent feel, without over-doing it on Double Bass or blastbeats or whatever else]

But, I'm way off topic now. Message me if you want more on Moonsorrow. Or similar music.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:50 PM   #11636
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Gonna have to check these guys out now that you're giving these guys a hella good rap. Should be fun.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:44 PM   #11637
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Won't be sorry. Mikael is a musical genius.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:16 PM   #11638
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Listening to Jotunheim posted above... musically, it's awesome, but the vocals are nothing special. Sounds like your generic phlegm-filled throat vocal that so prevalent in this type of music. Which I believe is why Opeth are widely successful. Mikael's vocals are clean (even when he's growling) His enunciation is decipherable... and most of all, his voice is undeniably unique. As son as you hear him sing you can instantly recognize it's his voice. So sure, there may be some other acts out there that do similar music to Opeth but I've yet to hear anyone sound like Mikael. That signature sound is probably why Opeth stands out amongst their peers.
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Mikael's growls are pretty mediocre by the way
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:45 PM   #11640
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Listening to Jotunheim posted above... musically, it's awesome, but the vocals are nothing special. Sounds like your generic phlegm-filled throat vocal that so prevalent in this type of music. Which I believe is why Opeth are widely successful. Mikael's vocals are clean (even when he's growling) His enunciation is decipherable... and most of all, his voice is undeniably unique. As son as you hear him sing you can instantly recognize it's his voice. So sure, there may be some other acts out there that do similar music to Opeth but I've yet to hear anyone sound like Mikael. That signature sound is probably why Opeth stands out amongst their peers.

Some of the time, sure, Ville uses the "standard" black metal higher scream... But did you completely miss the first and last verses with their desperate, harrowing dry shrieks? Or the many glorious choirs that make the song sound so powerful? Moonsorrow always has extremely varied/dynamic vocals... [granted, though, the clean singing isn't as "technically" good as Mike's, and Ville doesnt always try to flaunt his harsh vocal range by having verses of growls and some screams and shrieks, but it's about fitting the song, fitting the mood/end goal of the song, and that, Moonsorrow succeed at masterfully] And I'd add that if you speak Finnish, or even if you don't, Ville's pronunciation is pretty clear--but that's a dumb criticism of harsh vocals anyway; they aren't supposed to be "clear", nor must they be intelligible. They're more about, again, fitting the music and adding an emotion/certain mood/tone to the song.

Also, I should add I never said Moonsorrow was "similar to Opeth" just to clarify. Because they're not. I just suddenly thought of them when that poster said few bands produce a masterpiece in their career, let alone 4 or however many he said Opeth have in their belt.

[and please note, I'm not debating whether Opeth stand out among their peers, I think it's pretty obvious that they do, whether or not you like the band]

And yeah, Mike's growls really are nothing special--they're just "decent". I like his singing voice, it's pleasant and has gotten better over the years [to the point of being "Very good" by now], but he's not some incredible godlike vocalist really... Mikko Kotamaki of Swallow the Sun is better at harsh vocals by quite a lot... And not too shabby on the clean vocals [although he doesnt compare to Mikael as a clean singer]. Jari Maenpaa and Devin Townsend, regardless of what you think of their respective projects, are both vastly superior vocalists to Mike.
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