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Old 12-19-2012, 12:07 PM   #161
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:18 PM   #162
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What bothers me is that he professes this as the one and only truth about the world. The article has the tone of a sermon, he is basically preaching. It does not allow other world views. He disintegrates people with their hopes, dreams, desires into the language of a marketplace. In"What You Produce Does Not Have to Make Money, But It Does Have to Benefit People" he uses ''a woman'' as an example. His examples do not reach further than a job(/money) and women, which he seems to equate with happiness. You have to conform to these rules (''How can I become the type of person employers want?", "How can I become the type of person that pretty girls like?") instead of constructing your own idea of success, which might be different for everyone. Society might end up slightly happier if it didn't encourage success.

He emphasizes that you must change yourself the way society, businesses, 'women' want you to change, which I think is a sure way of losing touch with yourself and making it seem like you're a failure. I think doing things that resound with your own sense of joy is a better way of getting out of a period of feeling down. He addresses this to people who are not satisfied in some way. Let's view this as mild form of depression. I have some experience/knowledge on the matter, this being my fourth year in college studying psychology. When people come to a psychologist, the things the author of the article sums up as important only scratch the surface, successful businessmen might find themselves unsatisfied despite of their success. And here the view of the person himself is important, not in what way he does or does not conform to any standard of success. The author seems not to believe in a change of perspective.

On the other hand, tips he gives in the article might be useful to some people, he emphasizes own responsibility, which I think is a good thing (although there are people whose problems are out of their control).
You're missing the target audience here. This article doesn't target everyone. It doesn't target people who have their own personalized goals and definition of success. It targets people who want to be more desirable to women or an employer.

Not to shut you down. You have great insight that the article lacks, but it doesn't really disprove anything the article says. The author even states in the beginning that the article isn't for everyone.
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:31 PM   #163
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But what does it solve? Making yourself more marketable to employers? Making yourself more attractive to women?


Making yourself useful to others isn't limited to jobs and women, but there are a number of ways learning karate can give you more value in the eyes of others, with or without relating it to jobs and women.


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With the economy the way it is becoming, there aren't enough jobs to go around, and not everyone has some "selling point".


He also mentions if you don't have a selling point you can acquire one through practice. Of course that's not so simple in light of the economy, but he's not addressing people who are having trouble finding work, he is addressing people who are having trouble finding it because of the particular shortcomings he outlines. And again, employment is only one example of success.

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I mean, he quoted the film throughout, but what are we supposed to 'close'?


I think that depends on what specifically you want.

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The only interest in the article, the "get off your arse and do something" is so general and weak as to be of no value whatsoever.


Can't agree. It had to be general enough so that you could apply the advice to situations beyond employment. The way it was written was extremely powerful for those he intended it to influence. I found it valuable. Of course, when you condense the whole thing into a few words the way you just did, it will seem less valuable, but you're oversimplifying it.


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The whole point is that 'something' either doesn't pay the bills, or just isn't there.

I mean, would a good business advice article be "sell something"?


It wasn't intended as a business article...


EDIT: It also seems like you're trying to politicize it more than it was meant to be.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:39 PM   #164
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I liked the last point about haters. No matter what you do, people will queue up to hate.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:59 PM   #165
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But what does it solve? Making yourself more marketable to employers? Making yourself more attractive to women? With the economy the way it is becoming, there aren't enough jobs to go around, and not everyone has some "selling point". I mean, he quoted the film throughout, but what are we supposed to 'close'?

The only interest in the article, the "get off your arse and do something" is so general and weak as to be of no value whatsoever. The whole point is that 'something' either doesn't pay the bills, or just isn't there.

I mean, would a good business advice article be "sell something"?

The things that you're supposed to sell and "close" is yourself. The reason that the "douchebags" get all the success is because they're able to sell themselves. And I believe you missed the entire point of the article based on the phrase I bolded. The reason to get off your arse and do something is to create selling points for yourself. No one is going to value your ability to be really good at posting on forums and playing video games. The article is targeted at the people who sit around doing nothing and complaining about how they can't get a job. Whether the thing you get off the couch to do is karate, charity work, learning a foreign language, or lifting weights, it's going to make you more sellable to someone.

And yes, that actually might be a good business advice article. I've seen tons of small businesses go under in my town because they wait around for people to come buy their product instead of actually selling it to people.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:16 PM   #166
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Well, altruistic spirit and empathy are prerequisites for positive action. That 'crap' you're talking about is fertile ground for action. (crap, as a matter of coincidence, happens to be a very good fertiliser)


But that's the point. I can have fertile soil in my back yard, if I don't tend to it, plant things, etc. It won't produce anything. I.E. If I don't get off my ass and do something, it doesn't matter how fertile it is.

As the old saying goes: "Actions speak louder than words."

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Really? If life's problems could be solved by learning karate, we'd be living in a far more pleasant world.


Well, Karate teaches:

Concentration
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All skills that will help you in life and in your career and make you a more valuable asset.

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Old 03-10-2013, 03:51 PM   #167
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I'm bringing this back up because of something I've learned recently, and to ask everybody if who claimed to to work on things, if they actually started working on themselves after this.

What I learned recently was the cold hard truth of nobody gives a shit of what you do. You can work for years on a single thing, and there's always the possibility that nobody will like it. That's what makes art so hard, you have to slave and work for a very long time in order to find out if anybody will ever be willing to put money towards what you do.
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:43 PM   #168
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It's amazing, someone can simply say "work hard to better and distinguish yourself" and someone will complain about the advice.

Do people expect success and an easy life to be handed to them?
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:57 PM   #169
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read number 1. Dumbest shit I ever read.

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and I can guarantee that all these thoughts have already occured to me
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:02 PM   #170
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Do people expect success and an easy life to be handed to them?

Yes. People are told that success is nothing but a lotto win, that success is something that comes to the fortunate and lucky.

I know this is a weird example, but I've watched several interviews with the developer of Super Meatboy, Edmund McMillen. He said that a lot of his family thinks they just randomly came to money by being lucky, which is simply not true.

He stresses that he and his wife were poor as fuck for almost a decade, and that he worked his balls off for a long time in order to make something worth buying, which is why he became successful.

EDIT: he also has some wise words about talent:

Talent doesn't exist. Nobody is born with the ability to play guitar or whatever. All of that is earned through hard work and dedication. "Lack of talent" is a phrase usually used by people to explain why they don't have to try.

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