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Old 05-19-2013, 04:24 PM   #21
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really?

i ask because to me this doesn't seem that frivolous. it sounds like dog_style is considering joining a band/project and he's concerned about this issue. i can understand it. it sounds to me like the band isn't ready to play live as they don't know their songs, and he's tempted because it's a gig, and because it's a paying gig, but is concerned.
Well, that's the read I got as well, although perhaps even a step before that, "jumping the gun", if you will. I think it's a bit frivolous because what we think really doesn't matter.

I suppose we could admonish him to "learn the songs inside before you try to perform in front of an audience".

But would that matter if there is a finite time until the gig? Probably not. If the gig isn't booked yet, a different story.

If he has to sit because the others are planning on it. Then take the good old human nature's way out and and publish a disclaimer, "they made me sit, I wanted to stand".

Intuitively, I think musicians would be more forgiving about it anyway, knowing the difficulties involved. I don't think a pop audience would be as forgiving. Then too, it depends on the material. If it's dance music, the audience might expect you to get up and dance with them. Or at minimum, stand up. I thought even in old time jazz orchestras, everybody sat until it was their turn to solo, then they had to stand.

If it's a full blown rock gig, then you might be expected to do your guitar solo stoned, on top of a PA speaker bank.

It's really a lot easier to sort out than all that. If you sit down and use sheet music, it's a recital. If you stand up and wing it, it's a concert.

If our TS is that torn and confused about this, I don't have too much optimism about the outcome anyway.

Here's a case in point, this seated rendering of Joni Mitchell's, "Big Yellow Taxi". (no sheet music though). I find it well done and entertaining, but somewhat wooden, in keeping with the reasons I've outlined thus far. Low practice time presentation can yield mixed results. Tell me what you think about it.

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Old 05-20-2013, 10:06 PM   #22
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Why do what seem to be the most frivolous threads, always seem to gain the most traction?


well you might wanna ask yourself that, because you opened it up and replied and will be back to reply to this reply.

it's also something you won't get into because you don't play out and haven't. at least not yet. this was directed towards acoustic players who play out, maybe ones who do it for pay, etc. and do covers.

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Old 05-20-2013, 10:09 PM   #23
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i've seen a bunch of acoustic cover bands - never seen any good ones use sheet music. that doesn't mean one couldn't.

have you ever noticed how orchestras and classical combos work with sheet music? they know the piece they're playing well enough with regard to the music that they all turn their pages simultaneously. they also know their sheet music for each piece well enough that it makes it easier to find a spot if you forget something. that being said, except for specialty numbers, i haven't seen an orchestra that bothers with audience eye contact - it's a different situation.

to me, the same things would apply - whether you're all acoustic or not, sitting in one place staring at sheet music or lyrics isn't going to add excitement or a feeling of connection with the audience, and that connection with the audience tends to make an audience much more enthusiastic about a band.


maybe it depends on the gig. whether it's a bar, casino, coffee shop, amphitheater event, cruise ship, busking, book store, etc. and what kind of crowd it draws.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:04 AM   #24
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Personally, I use sheet music when I do gigs.

I use it because I can't, for the life of me, memorize music (yet, anyway). I have accepted this shortcoming and I'm ok with it. It makes me feel a bit self conscious, but, it would be much worse if I didn't have the music out at all.

Thus far, my audiences have been forgiving. I admit my shortcoming to them and I make jokes about it.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:47 PM   #25
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Personally, I use sheet music when I do gigs.

I use it because I can't, for the life of me, memorize music (yet, anyway). I have accepted this shortcoming and I'm ok with it. It makes me feel a bit self conscious, but, it would be much worse if I didn't have the music out at all.

Thus far, my audiences have been forgiving. I admit my shortcoming to them and I make jokes about it.


it sounds like you might have a case of dyslexia, there's different forms of it that some musicians have had or have. there are special self treatments people use to help with that. Wikipedia probably has more info in case you're interested.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:07 AM   #26
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I use chord sheets all the time in church and out in bars and parties and have never had a problem, a buddy of mine has played out for 30 years he uses them as well it is not possible to remember ALL of the chords and music to every song you want to play. It also gives you the ability to play a lot more songs.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:25 AM   #27
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it sounds like you might have a case of dyslexia, there's different forms of it that some musicians have had or have. there are special self treatments people use to help with that. Wikipedia probably has more info in case you're interested.


Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:32 PM   #28
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Lots of people use cheat sheets, normally flat on the floor behind the monitors. It is a lot more professional to have the sheets on the floor that to forget the lyrics. I'm horrible about mixing up the verses. And have been known to draw a blank after introducing the song, "how's that go again?" is usually good for a laugh from the audience but you wouldn't want to use it more than once a night. I've seen folk bands use charts and I've seen singers hold lyric sheets when guesting with other bands. Rock... not so much.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:48 PM   #29
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I use music for Jazz gigs. That's about it though.
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a cheat sheet down by your pedals or on your amp is common to remind you of the chords/lyrics for a few songs...or song structure. I'd never go beyond that though for a paid gig. Give some stage presence, look like a pro, and practice! Also, if you have trouble playing through mistakes then you may want to get more comfortable in front of people...that's a huge part of playing live and even pros say wrong lyrics or start something in the wrong key but fix it asap.
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