jimihendrix6699

ahh can't get passed those vocals, too "boyish" for me. not trying to be insulting but i can't think of anything else to describe them. thats really one of the only problems i have with djent/modern prog metal, i just can't get into those kinda of vocals. reminds me too much of those really shitty emo bands that just wine the whole time.

can't knock the instruments though, just wish the vocals had some bawls

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aCloudConnected

Yeah I really think it would be counterproductive for RC vendors to sell the wrong chemicals. But I guess certain chemicals, you wouldn't know the difference if you hadn't tried them before. Like how many people can correctly identify each 2c-x without knowing what it is prior to taking it?

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Oh for ****'s sake stop with the strawmanning. I never said that my one example was the sole ****ing reason that the regulated industry is not trustworthy. It was an example of a frequent occurrence. I actually happen to be studying the history of pharmaceutical law, and let me tell you that what used to happen is still happening. The FDA has the power to regulate whatever the USP/NF guides approve, but they lack the resources and manpower to enforce anything. Manufacturers very often can and do get away with whatever they want. I have many other examples, if you'd like them.

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progdude93

My main point here is that I'd rather be purchasing from a vendor that I trust because I have reasons to believe it is in his interest to deal with me honestly than from a vendor who is simply obligated by law to follow certain guidelines. Motivation to act honestly is stronger than mere law that is usually unenforced.

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AtGiza

How do both cases not have interests in dealing with customers? Both deal with customers, and only one is regulated on top of that. They need consumers just as much as anyone else and on top of that, they face whatever legal penalties that come along with not providing quality products. And please answer the question, would you trust black market drugs over the pharmacy? Street meth or Desoxyn? Which would you choose? I'm sure you can find cases in regulated and unregulated industries where people make crap products, but to say that you would rather have an unregulated industry just doesn't make sense. I don't get why you posted that one story too. I'm not saying that regulated industries are all always reliable 100% of the time. I never said that. I also never said that rc vendors are always unreliable. I only said there is no way to for sure know that what you have is actually what you have, especially if you aren't even purchasing through a vendor, but a second hand source such as 25i tabs, etc, which happens very often.

Edit: Also, for clarification, I'm not saying rc vendors are the same as the black market. I'm just using the black market vs. the pharmacy to prove the point that almost always regulated>unregulated.

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Not related to the thread at all, but I just found a new apartment! Doing the paperwork next week. This is going to be sweet.

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those aren't mutually exclusive. there are good and bad dealers, there are good and bad brick-and-mortar store owners. the process of regulation does nothing but good in that it creates a set of rules that most legitimate drug dealers, should they shift to legitimate sales, would follow to ensure a happy, safe, returning customer base.

a shitty vendor in a regulated system doesn't disprove the system, it proves that there will always be assholes and when it comes to ingesting mind-altering, occasionally risky substances (regardless of legality i.e. alcohol), any regulation at all will keep more people in line than no regulation whatsoever.

motivation to act honestly is always a great factor, but i'd rather have people feel obligated to act honestly under the law. creating a law doesn't stop some people, but it stops a handful of non-risktakers from wanting to risk losing their business because of shady dealings. even further, creating a regulated system will allow trustworthy people who don't deal drugs due to the illegality to enter a legitimate business.

there's really nothing wrong with regulation. the problem is with assholes, which regulation will help us spot and remove.

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ya so is hunting for every meal or living in the killing fields you ingrate






I haven't cleaned mine in probably close to a year now, it's disgusting lol

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Dude that's exciting! I just signed the lease for my apartment a couple weeks ago and I move in in August. Already planning the house-warming party Gonna grab a couple g's and get stoned as FUCK.

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Sounds great! I just need to get myself one of those smokeless bongs, since smoking inside is not allowed ..

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I don't think smoking inside is allowed in any apartments, but I still plan on smoking in mine As long as they don't do random checks every month you should be good.

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progdude93

False. It ensures that the customer base has a false sense of security that because the system is regulated, they aren't being lied to. They don't do their due diligence. Just look at the homeopathic medicine industry, for ****'s sake. They're technically regulated, but they get to blatantly lie to consumers. And the companies that don't do that can still simply do what they want, because there aren't enough FDA inspectors to actually have an adequate amount of surprise inspections of these manufacturers to truly regulate the system. The system has not really improved much since the Drug Amendments after the thalidomide disaster. America's bureaucracy has a lot of power, but their branches are typically understaffed and underfunded.



It may keep more people in line, but because of the false sense of security, there are less people to look into it. On SR, social justice (or watchdog) groups like the LSD Avengers swiftly discover if vendors are lying to consumers. They do this precisely because there is no regulation. There is a forum review section and feedback for precisely the purpose of identifying the legitimate vendors from the scammers, and if you do some cursory investigation in the forums, you will easily be able to distinguish the scammers from the real vendors. I believe social justice is the best way to regulate an economic market, because it enables and gives impetus to the consumers to regulate their market themselves rather than letting lazy, understaffed, underfunded groups stamp their seal of approval on something they barely inspected.



But it doesn't do that at all. Regulation allows crooks to appear legitimate by assuming corporations don't lie. In an unregulated market, it's impossible to seem legitimate without actual evidence, because you keep in mind that people can and do lie. Therefore, there are fewer uninformed purchases, because the consumer realizes he must discover what is true for himself rather than accepting what people tell him. I'm not against regulation per se, I just think it's less effective at what it aims to do than deregulation.

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progdude93

A shitty unregulated market is irrelevant. Anyone who wastes their money on sketchy people selling sketchy things deserves to lose their money. It's unfair and irrational to compare a shitty black market with a decently-functioning market with government safeguards to ensure some level of stability, like comparing purchasing tabs of 25i to purchasing drugs from a pharmacy.

I am saying that a properly functioning free market (like SR) is more likely to result in some individuals being misled and screwed over, as opposed to entire groups being able to do that and constantly get away with it.

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