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Old 11-05-2012, 02:49 PM   #41
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I don't think their intent was portability, was it? The robot tuners would suggest that they just wanted to advance their robot line, and I guess adding more electronics makes sense if that was their goal.

But I agree, if their intent was portability, they went about it all wrong. If you can afford to use a $4000 guitar as a travel guitar, I'm guessing you could afford to travel with an Axe FX or some other such unit as well.


Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me this is the sort of thing that would appeal more to someone on a budget or a noob who doesn't want to buy a bunh of pedals.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:53 PM   #42
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But it's too pricey for that.

It has to be for the guy who has $$$$, but does not want to fool around getting a variety of pedals or amps.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:54 PM   #43
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Make all the shapes you want in the end, its still going to have 6 strings etc.

How bout a real advance or leap forward and instead of steel strings, the are 6 beams of laser light that players manipulate to make music? The more I think about it, the more it could actually work!
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:10 PM   #44
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I think more needs to be looked into in terms of true temperament and the like, though at the end of the day, humans are human shaped so there is a limitation to practical and comfortable designs.
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:12 PM   #45
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Make all the shapes you want in the end, its still going to have 6 strings etc.

How bout a real advance or leap forward and instead of steel strings, the are 6 beams of laser light that players manipulate to make music? The more I think about it, the more it could actually work!


That wouldn't really be a guitar, though. Call it a laser harp.
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:13 PM   #46
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Some company should do a "classic reissue" of this

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/...guitar_back.jpg
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:45 PM   #47
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I like the Gibson Corvus, kind of an odd shape for a company with such a recognizable line of guitars. Also the Gibson RD, which looks like a splattered Firebird.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:02 PM   #48
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How bout a real advance or leap forward and instead of steel strings, the are 6 beams of laser light that players manipulate to make music? The more I think about it, the more it could actually work!


Here's just a few that I know of- there are more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CnR...be_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sgd...be_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md7q...be_gdata_player
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:06 PM   #49
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The shape does not really matter,its the wood used to make it and the crafts man,what worries me is all the electronic suff added these days, and that goes wiht amps as well
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Exactly. With more refinement and better technology, it could be future replacment for "traditional" guitars.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:53 PM   #51
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Exactly. With more refinement and better technology, it could be future replacment for "traditional" guitars.


Well, maybe, maybe not.

I imagine a tremolo on one of those- after the proper programming and engineering work was done- would NEVER go out of tune, regardless of how many dive-bombs you did.

But it would take some super-sophisticated programmiforgo enable you to do natural or pinch harmonics on one of those.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:51 PM   #52
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Well, maybe, maybe not.

I imagine a tremolo on one of those- after the proper programming and engineering work was done- would NEVER go out of tune, regardless of how many dive-bombs you did.

But it would take some super-sophisticated programmiforgo enable you to do natural or pinch harmonics on one of those.


Probably not to be honest, harmonics are a natural function of string length and the node point you choose to deaden the string at to bring the fundamental out. Once you can find out where the finger is along the picking side of the string finding out what note the harmonic would be is relatively simple maths.

That said, I really don't see these replacing conventional instruments, at least not any time soon anyway. For a start I think guitarists on the whole are very much set in their (our) ways, and beyond that there's something primal about guitar and actually hitting the strings. I don't think normal guitars will go away any time soon for the same reason we still have real violins, pianos, drums and so on. Hell, some eastern instruments have designs going back hundreds or thousands of years and people still play those...
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:00 PM   #53
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Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me this is the sort of thing that would appeal more to someone on a budget or a noob who doesn't want to buy a bunh of pedals.


... but it's $6000. That could get you a cheaper robot guitar and an Axe FX.

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Exactly. With more refinement and better technology, it could be future replacment for "traditional" guitars.


Maybe for modelling guitars, but the way the wood responds and resonates with the vibrating strings is a big part of its tone. Stringless instruments cannot replicate this.

It'll lead to some interesting playing styles... infinite sustain and fretless for mega slides will be easy, but I can't imagine it being easy to play. It would be quite weird not feeling if you're fretting a string and which string you're picking, and I'd struggle.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:15 PM   #54
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Probably not to be honest, harmonics are a natural function of string length and the node point you choose to deaden the string at to bring the fundamental out. Once you can find out where the finger is along the picking side of the string finding out what note the harmonic would be is relatively simple maths.

That said, I really don't see these replacing conventional instruments, at least not any time soon anyway. For a start I think guitarists on the whole are very much set in their (our) ways, and beyond that there's something primal about guitar and actually hitting the strings. I don't think normal guitars will go away any time soon for the same reason we still have real violins, pianos, drums and so on. Hell, some eastern instruments have designs going back hundreds or thousands of years and people still play those...


Of course! Even Strats and Tele's are pretty much the same as they were in the 50's.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:06 PM   #55
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Probably not to be honest, harmonics are a natural function of string length and the node point you choose to deaden the string at to bring the fundamental out. Once you can find out where the finger is along the picking side of the string finding out what note the harmonic would be is relatively simple maths.


Yes & no.

While it IS a simple function of string length, the laser guitar would have to distinguish the difference between "fretting" and "deadening" the string at a given point. And it's a similar issue with things like palm muting.

Namely, the guitar's programs have to understand pressure and location at a very sophisticated and analog level, not just "the beam tuned to G was interrupted at point X, which converts into _____ note." When is a partial eclipse of the beam a harmonic or a muting action?

The Kitara does an excellent job of figuring out stuff in the axis of movement "along the string," but the axis of movement corresponding to depressing the string still seems more like a keyboard.
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