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Old 12-15-2012, 01:44 PM   #1
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Joining a bolt on neck as a set neck?

Hi there, I'm planning a guitar, and I have a bolt on neck, but I want it to be set. Does anyone know of how I can do that?
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:57 PM   #2
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Set necks usually have a tenon that's larger than a bolt-on heel. So generally, you can't just glue a bolt-on neck in place. But you could add some glue and then bolt it on, but I personally would never even consider adding glue for no real reason.

Any particular reason why you don't want a bolt-on? Some people mistakenly believe that set-necks are superior, but that simply isn't the case.
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:00 PM   #3
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Set necks usually have a tenon that's larger than a bolt-on heel. So generally, you can't just glue a bolt-on neck in place. But you could add some glue and then bolt it on, but I personally would never even consider adding glue for no real reason.

Any particular reason why you don't want a bolt-on? Some people mistakenly believe that set-necks are superior, but that simply isn't the case.

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It's because I've heard they have better sustain.
Is that true?
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:18 PM   #4
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It's because I've heard they have better sustain.
Is that true?

No it is not true.

My PRS is a bolt on and the neck joint is better than most set-neck guitars.

From my pesonal understanding a neck-tru is going to yeald the best sustain. And in all honesty sustain comes down more to how good of a vibrato tecnique you have, not the neck joint (well besides the fit and finish of the neck/neck pocket, but thats another disscussion altogether)
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:19 PM   #5
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It's because I've heard they have better sustain.
Is that true?

Nope. Honestly, it's not like you can pick up guitars with different neck joints and feel the difference in sustain. It comes more from the wood and action. But there are some that believe glue negatively affects the sustain, and screws or bolts provide a better transfer of energy. I don't know if that's true, but I see no good reason to glue the neck in, so I avoid that all together.
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Nope. Honestly, it's not like you can pick up guitars with different neck joints and feel the difference in sustain. It comes more from the wood and action. But there are some that believe glue negatively affects the sustain, and screws or bolts provide a better transfer of energy. I don't know if that's true, but I see no good reason to glue the neck in, so I avoid that all together.

Ah, thanks. Also, if you have a glued neck and it breaks it'll be a bitch to replace.
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:45 PM   #7
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We'll put it this way. It might make a bit of a difference in tone, but certainly not enough to justify gluing in a neck that was meant to be bolted on.

I bet a lot of the difference is just down to how the wood is joined. A set neck (often) uses more surface area contact, which might affect how the vibrations interact between neck and body. Of course that means that gluing a bolt on neck isn't going to give you that sound change.
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Consider this, but probably doesn't make one iota of difference...
When glue is wet, it soaks into the wood.
When glue dries, it is generally much harder than wood.
Would that make a difference? (Rhetorical question)
I have no idea.
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:45 AM   #9
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depends on the glue probably... some glues, like PVA and Alphatic resins ( your average/common white and yellow glue) are probably not gonna help with sustain. I base this suspicion on the idea that they are thermoplastic, and PVA specifically is Polyvinyl acetate... which is a rubber like synthetic... and rubber is not a good material for sustain... it prevents the transfer of vibrations... also note that some dense vinyl materials are useful in sound proofing... so I would say you average wood glues would only hinder sustain... it may not be hugely noticeable but at least with screws its all a very tight transfer of vibration between dense and vibration friendly materials.

as for other glues... its hard to say... I'm sure you could base it on a thermoplastic vs thermosetting idea whether a glue is vibration friendly... an exception being polyurethane glues (gorilla glue) because they foam up and fill gaps.. and as we all know foam is not a very good medium for transferring vibrations...

Your best bet would be epoxy... but in my professional cabinetmaking opinion I would stick with the screws, its just not worth it to glue given that you probably wont notice any gains, if there are any, in sustain...
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:00 AM   #10
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Unless you want to carve the heel down I'd say it's not worth it. Anyone who tells you a set neck has a bigger tenon is not telling the truth. If you've seen an explorer tenon you'd understand hahaha. That said, naw, you're not going to notice a difference in sustain with the joint. If you'd want more sustain, I'd say get a heavier bridge, that should help.
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