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Old 08-18-2014, 04:21 AM   #6381
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I'm currently re-reading Ornstein's The Evolution Of Consciousness. This is an older book that was re-issued in the early 90s with an updated edition. It's quite an eye opener for anyone interested in neuroscience and how our little brains work... And how they got that way.

Ornstein points out that all of our sensory perceptions developed through history essentially to keep us alive. We are presented a construct of reality sufficient to let us identify danger sources, food sources, and the like.
Memory, for instance, is seldom an accurate representation of the past, as all we police officers know. Rather, it is continually edited and altered into a "story" that we find coherent.

We are not equipped to perceive physical reality, though we have developed the means, through science, to examine it in great detail.
If we pick up a rock, we see it's shape and color and feel it's weight and know that it's heavy and perhaps even know what kind of mineral it is.
However, we do not see it radiating heat in the infrared if it's been sitting in the sunshine, nor do we have any notion of it's atomic structure.
Most would not believe that the actual matter represented by the rock would take up a microscopically-small space if the inter-atomic distances could be removed.
These things are not necessary for us to live in the world.

However, the notion that we are "creating reality" by our perception of it, so common in philosophical circles, is nonsense. The universe existed for many billions of years before it was possible for anything living to exist and have perceptions.
As one biologist said..." If we generate reality with our minds, I wonder what the universe looked like when there was nothing more evolved than a sea slug?"


"If the flesh came into existence because of the spirit, it is a marvel. But if the spirit came into existence because of the body, it is a marvel of marvels. But as for me, I wonder at this, how this great wealth made its home in this poverty."

-Robin Williams (as Genie)
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:37 AM   #6382
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The gods were once disputing whether it was possible for a living being to change its nature. Jupiter said "Yes," but Venus said "No." So, to try the question, Jupiter turned a Cat into a Maiden, and gave her to a young man for a wife. The wedding was duly performed and the young couple sat down to the wedding-feast. "See," said Jupiter, to Venus, "how becomingly she behaves. Who could tell that yesterday she was but a Cat? Surely her nature is changed?"

"Wait a minute," replied Venus, and let loose a mouse into the room. No sooner did the bride see this than she jumped up from her seat and tried to pounce upon the mouse. "Ah, you see," said Venus, "Nature will out."
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Old 09-03-2014, 05:27 PM   #6383
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The gods were once disputing whether it was possible for a living being to change its nature. Jupiter said "Yes," but Venus said "No." So, to try the question, Jupiter turned a Cat into a Maiden, and gave her to a young man for a wife. The wedding was duly performed and the young couple sat down to the wedding-feast. "See," said Jupiter, to Venus, "how becomingly she behaves. Who could tell that yesterday she was but a Cat? Surely her nature is changed?"

"Wait a minute," replied Venus, and let loose a mouse into the room. No sooner did the bride see this than she jumped up from her seat and tried to pounce upon the mouse. "Ah, you see," said Venus, "Nature will out."


Maybe they were just a hungry Thailandese couple?
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Old 09-03-2014, 05:33 PM   #6384
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Maybe they were just a hungry Thailandese couple?

Ah, an interesting theory, but would you propose that would that provide support for the idea that one can or cannot change one's nature? The behavior is the same by all accounts, though there are documented instances when cats have been known to kill mice without the intent of eating it so perhaps they differ in motivation.
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