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Old 01-14-2014, 06:01 PM   #1
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What is a Conservative Punk?

Simply put, a Punk Rocker who happens to have a Conservative/Libertarian standpoint and outlook on politics. This is not an oxymoron because if punk is really against government then there's no way they can logically work towards communism because communism is basically where the government controls every aspect of an individual's life! Where's the anarchy in that, you brainwashed idiots?! While it's worth noting that some Conservative Punks are genuine neo-conservative right wingers, the majority of them have a very strong Libertarian tilt to their political ideology. Today punk kids are led to believe that communism is the way to be although they preach anarchy. Thus calling themselves, Anarcho-communists. However this makes no sense because of the fact that these two ideals lie on the opposite sides of the spectrum. Truly educated punks who adopt conservative/libertarian ideals know that they highly oppose the government are the true anarchists that try to push for smaller government.

Famous Conservative Punks include:
Johnny Ramone
Lee Ving (Fear)
Members of the Vandals
Ben Weasel
Michale Graves ('Newfits, Gotham Road) (yes, the newfits suck, i know)
AntiSeen
Bobby Steele (The Misfits, yes, the original misfits. the Undead)

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Old 01-18-2014, 04:39 AM   #2
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Communism is literally defined as a classless, stateless society where no money and the means of production are shared in common. Organizationally, it is a non-hierarchical federation of communes. The two ideals are NOT opposites, but in fact have the same end goal. The confusion comes from the historical popularity of Marxist-Leninism, which states that to reach communism ( a classless, stateless society), society must first go through a transitional stage, known as the dictatorship of the proletariat (improperly defined as socialism by that ****wit Lenin). Anarchists advocate reaching communism by going straight into it, using the pre-revolutionary period as the transition by building up the social organizations that will run society post-revolution.

That's really the simplest way to put it.


Marx and Bakunin had arguments over the role of anarchism vs. transitional authoritarianism, which lead to the expulsion of Bakunin from the first international.

The term "libertarian" was also coined by an anarcho-communist, and was used to describe ancoms until the 2nd half of the 20th century in the US where the extreme right hijacked the term (and they were damn proud of it too!). Elsewhere, when people hear libertarian they instantly think of anarchists, not minarchist capitalists.


Now, conservative means defending the old way, conserving, so no, you can't have a conservative punk in terms of ideology.

Punk has, and always will be, a political statement. Sure, you can be in a shitty band that plays something that sounds kinda like punk and promotes non-leftist ideologies, but it isn't really punk without that message behind it.

Libertarianism leads to corporate dictatorship, as anyone with a functioning brain and knowledge of both US and world history (you are obviously missing the latter, proven by your complete ignorance on the topic of communism, socialism, and it would appear punk in general), and I can assure you, corporate dictatorship isn't very punk.

Now go listen to some d-beat, read a book on the topic (not written by rothbard, mises, or any other of those moronic twits) and learn something. You're probably old enough to legally use this website, which means you're too damned old to think communism is totalitarianism and be taken seriously.
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Old 01-18-2014, 03:22 PM   #3
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One would argue that now-a-days the most punk thing is to be a clean cut conservative.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:03 PM   #4
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Communism is literally defined as a classless, stateless society where no money and the means of production are shared in common. Organizationally, it is a non-hierarchical federation of communes. The two ideals are NOT opposites, but in fact have the same end goal. The confusion comes from the historical popularity of Marxist-Leninism, which states that to reach communism ( a classless, stateless society), society must first go through a transitional stage, known as the dictatorship of the proletariat (improperly defined as socialism by that ****wit Lenin). Anarchists advocate reaching communism by going straight into it, using the pre-revolutionary period as the transition by building up the social organizations that will run society post-revolution.

That's really the simplest way to put it.


Marx and Bakunin had arguments over the role of anarchism vs. transitional authoritarianism, which lead to the expulsion of Bakunin from the first international.

The term "libertarian" was also coined by an anarcho-communist, and was used to describe ancoms until the 2nd half of the 20th century in the US where the extreme right hijacked the term (and they were damn proud of it too!). Elsewhere, when people hear libertarian they instantly think of anarchists, not minarchist capitalists.


Now, conservative means defending the old way, conserving, so no, you can't have a conservative punk in terms of ideology.

Punk has, and always will be, a political statement. Sure, you can be in a shitty band that plays something that sounds kinda like punk and promotes non-leftist ideologies, but it isn't really punk without that message behind it.

Libertarianism leads to corporate dictatorship, as anyone with a functioning brain and knowledge of both US and world history (you are obviously missing the latter, proven by your complete ignorance on the topic of communism, socialism, and it would appear punk in general), and I can assure you, corporate dictatorship isn't very punk.

Now go listen to some d-beat, read a book on the topic (not written by rothbard, mises, or any other of those moronic twits) and learn something. You're probably old enough to legally use this website, which means you're too damned old to think communism is totalitarianism and be taken seriously.


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Old 01-23-2014, 09:01 PM   #5
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I am quite sure that libertarian and conservative are not on the same side of politics. In some situations I guess corporations are free to grow, but that isn't all that either party is about. Rightfully both are opposite, I'd figure.

But again I don't do politics, so you can probably just ignore what I said.
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:13 AM   #6
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Definitely an oxymoron...
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Old 01-25-2014, 02:23 AM   #7
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if you're a conservative punk you're literally the worst person that could exist

also people need to stop complaining about communism that argument is so tired we should give it a nap
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