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Old 02-01-2013, 12:30 AM   #21
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Bondmorkret did answer the question, though. The TS wanted to know different way to approach soloing over a harmony part that does not designate a key. Modes are a good way to create the sound you want in that situation.


so solo over an atonal piece by using modes, which are very much related to having tonics

all your experience aside, angus, do you see the ridiculously basic music 101 contradiction here
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:36 AM   #22
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and where he wanted to solo was just some "Djent" breakdown
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I didn't know what to do. No chords to follow, no real lead melody, and no vocal melody to go off of? what do you do? Just up for grabs?


So, what you're saying is: you only have a static note to solo over? To be honest, this screams "modes" at me.

Although, if it was me, I would find the happiest sounding mode or scale I could find and solo using that. ESPECIALLY if the song was super depressing and heavy up to that point. You might prefer using a more "minor" or "diminished" sounding one, though.

Maybe I'd do it for the contrast, or maybe just to make people go "WTF?!".

Just make sure the "starting note" of whatever scale you use is the same as the note you're soloing over, and you're good to go.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:03 PM   #23
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So, what you're saying is: you only have a static note to solo over? To be honest, this screams "modes" at me.

Although, if it was me, I would find the happiest sounding mode or scale I could find and solo using that. ESPECIALLY if the song was super depressing and heavy up to that point. You might prefer using a more "minor" or "diminished" sounding one, though.

Maybe I'd do it for the contrast, or maybe just to make people go "WTF?!".

Just make sure the "starting note" of whatever scale you use is the same as the note you're soloing over, and you're good to go.


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Old 02-01-2013, 10:14 PM   #24
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so solo over an atonal piece by using modes, which are very much related to having tonics

all your experience aside, angus, do you see the ridiculously basic music 101 contradiction here



What I do see is that the discussion is about a static harmony in which there is no major or minor tonality established. This was displayed in the TS's original post. Therefore, atonal music does not apply.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:32 PM   #25
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if you know anything about djent, it's not a static harmony.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:06 PM   #26
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Is the bass doing anything or just following the guitar?
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:19 PM   #27
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What I do see is that the discussion is about a static harmony in which there is no major or minor tonality established. This was displayed in the TS's original post. Therefore, atonal music does not apply.


i'm guessing your answer to my original question is a resounding "no".
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:26 PM   #28
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Atonal is not the same as lacking a major or minor quality. Atonal is the lack of any tonal center.

This is atonal:

Simply "chugging" on a power chord is not.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:50 PM   #29
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Simply "chugging" on a power chord is not.


you don't get it
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:06 AM   #30
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you don't get it

Please, enlighten us, master.
You've done nothing all thread but accuse people of not knowing what they're talking about and essentially calling them idiots, all the while refraining from throwing your own voice into the fray with anything to actually correct what's being said.

Are you just some internet narcissist who likes sitting back watching people struggle to explain something while you chime in now and then to tell them whether they're getting warmer, or what?

Oh wait.. sorry, I should speak in your language..
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:07 AM   #31
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On the contrary, I do. But I don't really care enough to argue with you.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:12 AM   #32
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djent is a metallic noise, and is also associated with a type of picking that typically brings the note out of pitch by experimenting with hammer-ons and muting. it's not about the note value, it's based on the rhythm and making weird noises.

it's like trying to find the key of a pile of machinery. the beauty of it is the focus turning away from the value of notes in the musicality. to try and consider it as a static harmony is giving it far too much credit theoretically - it's literally noise that sounds kinda cool and kvlt.

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Old 02-02-2013, 12:17 AM   #33
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Atonal is not the same as lacking a major or minor quality. Atonal is the lack of any tonal center.

This is atonal:

Simply "chugging" on a power chord is not.


we're talking about pieces that do not have tonics.

if there is a static harmony, a tonic is ALWAYS implied (even if never stated).

if a piece does not have a tonic, it is atonal.

if there is no tonal center, modes are 100% irrelevant (as opposed to be 99.9% irrelevant if there is a tonal center).

come on, dude, you're a self-professed theory nut, and i've seen from experience that you're not talking out your ass. i don't think i need to hold your hand through this.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:23 AM   #34
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Okay. I see what you mean, now. I'm not into metal, so, I was under the impression that djent was simply a overly processed power chord. And the vides that I watched had some sort of tonality to them. So, I guess there's so discrepancy, then.


So I guess the "real" answer to the question is to go with the key or mode the song follows before the "djent breakdown".
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:00 PM   #35
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...I was under the impression that djent was simply a overly processed power chord. And the vides that I watched had some sort of tonality to them. So, I guess there's so discrepancy, then.


Well, that's what I thought, too...especially given the tab written out by the OP...

If you're playing strings on the guitar, not sound effects, you are essentially creating something with a pitch, though...
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why would this not be considered a drone?
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This may well have been the best post ever made, I laughed for ages!

However, with that Djent breakdown, I would use a series of sweeps in B Minor/B Harmonic Minor, however, that's just how I'd do it if you magically transported me to his band's practice room, with your rhythm being the same note all the way through, as others have said, you're pretty much free, if one has a floating bridge, then they can use that, I've seen one band where the lead guitarist makes his guitar play something similar to dubstep over a break down. Me, I like sweep picking constantly/tapping arpeggios, but with that base, the soloist'll be free to do whatever he fancies, as mentioned before.
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whatever that 0 is (b on the 7th string or e on the 6th) I'd do some crazy runs with a couple of perfectly timed sweeps based off of that one note.


Ahah, i laugh everytime i see this post for some reason. It's like, i would do some pretty awesome runs with perfectly phrased awesome cool licks at the end. Then i would do a string skipping lick which would also be cool and great as shit. No offence .
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